omega red & wolverine run the gauntlet

Originally posted by jinzin

wolverine has stabbed hulk, thanos, herc, namor, presumably abomination

First, Hulk's durability isnt nearly as high as Ben's until he gets very angry.

Second, all the fights between Namor and Wolverine have been crap.

I havent seen the Herc fight.

Did you just try to justify Wolverine stabbing F***IN THANOS?!?!?! 😠 🤨

Originally posted by Sabretooth
In ancient Japan, they were able to sharpen swords to the point where they cut through a handkerchief simply by turning the blade upward and dropping the handkerchief above the blade, letting it float down across the blade only to end up on the ground in two halves, involving absolutely no force whatsoever. I don't think sufficient force would be necessary if Wolverine's claws are sharpened to the point where they cut through "steel as it were rice paper" as stated and demonstrated in the comics on several occasions.

Originally posted by jinzin
TEAM JINZIN DOES WHAT HE WANTS!!!! 😐 😐 😐 😐 😐

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, Ben was in a gang as a kid. I find it hard to believe that Ben has never been stabbed before.

and AGAIN.. what..you think he's been stabbed by 3 foot long blades at the same time in the chest before? 😬

Originally posted by Grimm22
Second, in the Ult. fight, Ben was leaning forward, Wolverine kicks him in the face and he falls on his back?!?! 🤨

Originally posted by Grimm22
Not only does that not make sense, in the laws of phycics, it also makes no sense considering Ben's durability

and AGAIN.. this is still in keeping with creshocks argument for artists interpretation.. it doesn't matter if you don't agree with the art since even if the ART is discarded the storyline STILL calls for ben to lose...

Originally posted by jinzin

and no thing didn't KO wolvie since wolverine was right back in the fight... again.. thing=doubled over.. wolverine= hoveringover thing... wolverine was clearly shown to be superior in that particular instance.

he certainly has the strength to stab ben.. his clawsare so damned sharp that hardly any strength at all is needed to accomplish a simple stabbing feat... all you have is fanboy speculation.. you say we're ignoring things character but you're blatently discarding everything logan's actually done and saying it doesn't count...

I already answered your broken record for the champion argument.. and the nerve thing.. well again.. just because reed has trouble understanding his biology doesn't mean those nerves are no longer there...

Ben smacked Wolverine's ass into the next county 😐

The artist pretty much screwed up when he showed Wolverine on the last page.

Second, You might as well say that Wolverine can stab Colossus then 😐

Wrecker's had a hard time trying to pry off a part of Ben's outer hide.

Wrecker's Crowbar >>>> Wolverine's Claws.

Last, Ben is made of freakin rock. His Nervous system is NOTHING like that of a normal human being. Heck even if it was, Ben wouldnt just double over.

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, Hulk's durability isnt nearly as high as Ben's until he gets very angry.

😂 🤣 😂

wait wait wait.. you mean.. "i got koed by 3 punches from juggernaught"-thing is more durable than "I kick things ass on a daily basis" hulk? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Grimm22
Second, all the fights between Namor and Wolverine have been crap.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Did you just try to justify Wolverine stabbing F***IN THANOS?!?!?! 😠 🤨

again we've seen no proof that thanos has a high end durability vs. eviseration plain and simple..

also.. infinity gauntlet wasn't a wolverine story.. it was a thanos story that wolverine happened to be in.. apparently the creative team for one of the most powerful versions of thanos STILL thought that wolverine could cut him.. so he did.. unfortunately they made proof.. all you have on your side is opinion.. and it's not even a good one.

Originally posted by jinzin
againno proof and ALL speculation..

and AGAIN.. what..you think he's been stabbed by 3 foot long blades at the same time in the chest before? 😬

we've already explained this to you before.. you couldn't get it then you won't get it now.. and last time i expained it I colored you a map. you're hopeless...

it made perfect sense if you take into account the direction of things momentum...

and AGAIN.. this is still in keeping with creshocks argument for artists interpretation.. it doesn't matter if you don't agree with the art since even if the ART is discarded the storyline STILL calls for ben to lose...

No YOU are the hopeless one. It makes no sense.

Ben is going forward, (for the state of the argument I'll agree he's off balance). Wolverine who was just in back of him somehow jumps forward and kicks Ben in the face (go figure). Ben who was tumbling forward would not then go backwards 😐

Second, Wolverine's Claws are nowhere close to be 3 f***in fear 🤨

They are a foot each and Ben was stabbed in the arm, not the chest. 😐

Originally posted by badabing
What is durable enough to sharpen adamantium? Has it ever been shown that Logan shrpens his claws? I'm actually not being a smart ass this time.

Honestly, I have no idea how they could have gotten that sharp. I have seen the things they have been able to cut through with only the force of Wolverine's strength directing them so logic would suggest that somehow they have been sharpened to a ridicules degree. Only a theory but the results speak for themselves.

Originally posted by jinzin
😐

😂 🤣 😂

wait wait wait.. you mean.. "i got koed by 3 punches from juggernaught"-thing is more durable than "I kick things ass on a daily basis" hulk? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

subjective opinion.. everything thing does is CRAP cause he's a CRAP character, and he's in a CRAPPY team that has CRAPPY storylines.. therefore nothing he's done EVER.. counts.. at all....

yes actually....

again we've seen no proof that thanos has a high end durability vs. eviseration plain and simple..

also.. infinity gauntlet wasn't a wolverine story.. it was a thanos story that wolverine happened to be in.. apparently the creative team for one of the most powerful versions of thanos STILL thought that wolverine could cut him.. so he did.. unfortunately they made proof.. all you have on your side is opinion.. and it's not even a good one.

First, Namor is WAY WAY WAY WAY out of Wolverine's leauge.

He is stronger, faster, tougher, ect..

Second, try reading Thing's fights with the Hulk before just acting like a Hulk fanboy.

Last, You might as well say that Wolverine can stab the Silver Surfer than. Thanos went toe to toe with f***in guys like Odin?!?

But, a canadian samurai midget is going to stab him?!?!

Originally posted by Grimm22
Ben smacked Wolverine's ass into the next county 😐

The artist pretty much screwed up when he showed Wolverine on the last page.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Second, You might as well say that Wolverine can stab Colossus then 😐

and lets face it.. wolverine's slashed hulk and it's bounced off the big guy but in a stab he's gone right through him.. same thing could happen if he tried it on collosus .. no evidence exists either way except for collosus being scared shitless everytime wolverine points his claws in big c's direction, and the fact that wolverine has straight up shredded through organic steel like it was paper...

Originally posted by Grimm22
Wrecker's had a hard time trying to pry off a part of Ben's outer hide.

Wrecker's Crowbar >>>> Wolverine's Claws.

how is that? in cutting effeciency? NO 😐
in durability? NO😐

Originally posted by Grimm22
Last, Ben is made of freakin rock. His Nervous system is NOTHING like that of a normal human being. Heck even if it was, Ben wouldnt just double over.

Originally posted by Sabretooth
Honestly, I have no idea how they could have gotten that sharp. I have seen the things they have been able to cut through with only the force of Wolverine's strength directing them so logic would suggest that somehow they have been sharpened to a ridicules degree. Only a theory but the results speak for themselves.

Originally posted by jinzin
wasn't the next county.. it was several blocks.. IF THAT.. and that's being generous... I can sprint several blocks in a minute or so....consindering the fact thatevents took place between him getting hit and the last page.. well...

he very well might be able to... the only time we've ever seen wolverine strike colossus ON PAPER it says that organic steel is no match for admantium...

and lets face it.. wolverine's slashed hulk and it's bounced off the big guy but in a stab he's gone right through him.. same thing could happen if he tried it on collosus .. no evidence exists either way except for collosus being scared shitless everytime wolverine points his claws in big c's direction, and the fact that wolverine has straight up shredded through organic steel like it was paper...

how is that? in cutting effeciency? NO 😐
in durability? NO😐

so you have no proof then.. you could have just said so.

First, im not even going to bother discussing the Colossus thing. I'll let the MetalMan and Snoop do that.

Second, Wrecker's Crowbar is magic and has leveled city buildings before 😐

Wrecker who is a LOT stronger than Wolverine had trouble PEELING off part of Ben's hide. Yet, Wolverine just does it with supreme ease?!? 🤨

Last, no actually you sir are the one ignoring the facts and the point im making.

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, Namor is WAY WAY WAY WAY out of Wolverine's leauge.

in some ways I agree.. but the point is.. as long as namor keeps trying to h2h with wolverine like he does in the books he's gonna keep getting stabbed and humiliated...

Originally posted by Grimm22
He is stronger, faster, tougher, ect...

Originally posted by Grimm22
Second, try reading Thing's fights with the Hulk before just acting like a Hulk fanboy.

I have....

thing can put up a good fight.. sure..for a bit... cause he's usually smarter and a better fighter.. but there's a reason why the only time he's gotten a clear cut victory over hulk was against grey hulk while he was in his transformed spiky state.. 😕

Originally posted by Grimm22
Last, You might as well say that Wolverine can stab the Silver Surfer than.

Originally posted by Grimm22
But, a canadian samurai midget is going to stab him?!?!

Originally posted by badabing
I guess that's just the design of his claws. They're adamantuim so I'm guessing they won't ever dull.

It would figure since adamantium is so damn strong nothing would ever chip or dull the blades.

Originally posted by Grimm22
No YOU are the hopeless one. It makes no sense.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Ben is going forward, (for the state of the argument I'll agree he's off balance). Wolverine who was just in back of him somehow jumps forward and kicks Ben in the face (go figure). Ben who was tumbling forward would not then go backwards 😐

Originally posted by Grimm22
Second, Wolverine's Claws are nowhere close to be 3 f***in fear 🤨

They are a foot each and Ben was stabbed in the arm, not the chest. 😐

I compared your speculation to ben getting stabbed by 3 foot long blades..

or 3-one-foot long blades if that helps you... see you couldn't even comprehend something as simple as that but you want me to explain ultimates to you?

Originally posted by jinzin
in some ways I agree.. but the point is.. as long as namor keeps trying to h2h with wolverine like he does in the books he's gonna keep getting stabbed and humiliated...

I forgeot who I was talking to.. you think everyone wins fights because they're stronger and faster.... hmmm..must of been why ali won all of those fights when he was way past his prime right? 🙄

😐

I have....

thing can put up a good fight.. sure..for a bit... cause he's usually smarter and a better fighter.. but there's a reason why the only time he's gotten a clear cut victory over hulk was against grey hulk while he was in his transformed spiky state.. 😕

wolverine has.. 😐

again..PROVE his durability vs. cutting effeciency..don't just give me speculation. cause I have proof.. and that outweighs speculation.

First, Namor smacks Wolverine into a coma before he knows what the hell is going on

Second, Current Ben >>> Grey Hulk ✅

Last, As I said before Adamantium has the potential to cut nearly anything. However Wolverine dosent have the strength to use it to its potential.

Now say if Colossus chucked Wolverine into Ben, yes he could cut into Ben's inner hide. However simply launching himself off the ground isnt even close to being enough force.

Lets say I have a an unbreakable knife that is really sharp. I leap off the ground and try to stab boulder. Will it go through the boulder? Hell no, not nearly enough force applied. Now lets say Spidey threw the knife at the rock.Would it go through? Hell yeah!

P.S: Wolverine hurting cosmics = Laughable 😆

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, im not even going to bother discussing the Colossus thing. I'll let the MetalMan and Snoop do that.

Second, Wrecker's Crowbar is magic and has leveled city buildings before 😐

namor,
abomination,
wendigo,
wendigo-mauvais hybrid,
hulk,
thing,
hercules,
tiger shark,
and grey hulk

all characters who have durability>>> buildings..

not to mention friggin sentinals who ARE the size of buildings!

Originally posted by Grimm22
Wrecker who is a LOT stronger than Wolverine had trouble PEELING off part of Ben's hide. Yet, Wolverine just does it with supreme ease?!? 🤨

Originally posted by Grimm22
Last, no actually you sir are the one ignoring the facts and the point im making.

Originally posted by jinzin
yes it does.. it just makes no sense to you...

wolverine sidestepped him and hit him in keeping with the direction of momentum that ben was already falling towards how hard is that to follow?

I didn't say they were 3 feet long..

I compared your speculation to ben getting stabbed by 3 foot long blades..

or 3-one-foot long blades if that helps you... see you couldn't even comprehend something as simple as that but you want me to explain ultimates to you?

First, Ben was moving FORWARD! If Ben was Falling Backwards and Wolverine kicked him then yes it would make sense. However, he was moving forward then we see Wolverine kicking Ben in the chin and Ben on his back.

Second, you just said...

and AGAIN.. what..you think he's been stabbed by 3 foot long blades at the same time in the chest before?

Has been ever been stabbed with 3 foot long blades in the cheast before? No

However that has nothing to do with this argument 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
and wolverine's claws may not be majic but they've STILL leveled

namor,
abomination,
wendigo,
wendigo-mauvais hybrid,
hulk,
thing,
hercules,
tiger shark,
and grey hulk

all characters who have durability>>> buildings..

not to mention friggin sentinals who ARE the size of buildings!

because wolverine has tools with a WAYYYYY more superb cutting effeciency than a cluncky crowbar.. 😐

First, Wolverine dosent hit those character with claws which causes them to collapse 😐

He cuts them and hurts them.

Oh and Wolverine only beats Sentinals by cutting out their mainframe, not by toppaling them with hits.

Oh and...

Wrecker's Crowbar >x10000 Wolverine's Claws 😐

Not to mention that "clunky" crowbar sent Wolverine flying a couple of miles.

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, Namor smacks Wolverine into a coma before he knows what the hell is going on

Originally posted by Grimm22
Second, Current Ben >>> Grey Hulk ✅

grey hulk had a geometric increase in strength when he got pissed, enough to put him in the realm of contending with savage hulk...
wolverine pissed him off.. A LOT.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Last, As I said before Adamantium has the potential to cut nearly anything. However Wolverine dosent have the strength to use it to its potential.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Now say if Colossus chucked Wolverine into Ben, yes he could cut into Ben's inner hide. However simply launching himself off the ground isnt even close to being enough force.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Lets say I have a an unbreakable knife that is really sharp. I leap off the ground and try to stab boulder. Will it go through the boulder? Hell no, not nearly enough force applied. Now lets say Spidey threw the knife at the rock.Would it go through? Hell yeah!

Originally posted by Grimm22
P.S: Wolverine hurting cosmics = Laughable 😆

Originally posted by Grimm22
First, Ben was moving FORWARD! If Ben was Falling Backwards and Wolverine kicked him then yes it would make sense. However, he was moving forward then we see Wolverine kicking Ben in the chin and Ben on his back.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Second, you just said...

Has been ever been stabbed with 3 foot long blades in the cheast before? No

However that has nothing to do with this argument 😐