Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
No ofense meant ..... I found this quite funny (Sorry i have a bizarre sense of humour) 😮'Thats why i don't gush over Superman Prime, Sentry or any other character who gets by on shadowy wordplay.'
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Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Fare point, which is why i named what is marvel's Equivalent of the big 7 (In mind that D.C.'s big 7 arent actually the 7 most powerful characters)
on the firts page.Sentry (I would have Thor, but you cant have him on the same team as Storm)
Iron Man
Hulk
Storm
Suzanne Richards
Captain Ammerica
Spiderman.
First, Storm should never be in Avengers. She is an x-man.
Second, Hulk?!? Hulk is in no way a team player
Last, Sue needs to be in the FF. Along with Reed. Its just not the FF without them 😬
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
But you'll very rarely find them sorting out problems with their fists, so i think you'll find, youre still 'chasing shadows' with youre point. Infact I think youre arguement is far more appropriate when applied to the LAST volume of the Avengers. If u read most of the stories created by Brusiek they often followed certain a formula involing 'miraculous' escapes, generally followed by a serries of unorginal punch ups. Infact power creativity has never really been associated with the Avengers. On the other hand, Morrisson and Waid showed they where masters of it, during their respective JLA runs.
My point was that The Avengers or any other team needs class 100 characters to be interesting and according to you the team was lacking because it didnt have a Metamorpho / Green Lantern / Flash / Iceman type character.
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Rubbish .... Powers provided by radioactive Spiders, Nuclear Blasts and Cosmic rays are not more believable.I hate when people pull out this, 'I read Marvel because D.C.overpower their heroes and marvel is more beilevable' card. Its Ironic they are the ones who usaully state that characters like Thor, Hulk, Wonderman, Hercules Silver surfer e.t.c. could easilly beat D.C. higher teir characters, in the vrs forum.
Nuclear Blast??? Do u meant Gamma? If u r referring to the Hulk, I never even mentioned him or was reffering to him when I said more Marvel characters are believeable. Now is my turn to call u NAIVE. In this day and age, were all kinds of scientific and technological advantages are made every day is it so hard to believe that a person could gain some extraordinare abilities (I dont mean exactly like Spidey) by being bitten by a "radioactive" spider, a spider that has been scientifically manipulated, experimented on? Im not even gonna get into the "cosmic rays" because nobody knows the effects any spacial rays,"cosmic" or otherwise on a human being. I guess is more plausible to believe that theres a Green Lantern Corps or Nova Corps for that matter somewhere in deep space or that theres a race of "Hawk" people in space as well among other things.
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I hate when people pull out this, 'I read Marvel because D.C.overpower their heroes and marvel is more beilevable' card. Its Ironic they are the ones who usaully state that characters like Thor, Hulk, Wonderman, Hercules Silver surfer e.t.c. could easilly beat D.C. higher teir characters, in the vrs forum.
I dont believe I have ever bothered with versus forums/threads. If I do happen to get involve in the future I would look at both characters equally and give my opinion, just because is a MArvel character they would win automatically in my book but it seems that in your book all DC are unbeatable. I read Marvel because I honestly believe that Marvel has the best artists and the most interesting stories. i admit that as a couple of years ago when DC started using good artists(Ironically most of them perfected their craft at Marvel) and having really interesting stories that I started getting into their stuff. Im not saying that anything before that was bad but it was rare that they came out with something really good.I think that Batman:Long Halloween, Dark Victory, Batman:Hush, Identity Crisis have been very interesting storylines.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
is it so hard to believe that a person could gain some extraordinare abilities (I dont mean exactly like Spidey) by being bitten by a "radioactive" spider, a spider that has been scientifically manipulated, experimented on?
Magic Spider!... it was a radioactive MAGIC spider....
I bet people feel really dumb for doubting it's believability now! .... 😐
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
The problem is most of their high powered characters really suck in the personality department. I mean D.C. has spent the last 30 - 40 years focusing mainly on developing its Big 7 characters. I'm not saying they are best characterisations around, because the certainly aren't. But they are superior, character wise to what Marvel considers its 'Mightiest Mortals'. There are of course exception, for example I love Iron man and I've always preferred Vision to Jonn Jonnzz, but Marvels other characters really are 1 Dimensional. That must be a problem when writers are trying to create internal team tension.
K, I've just read through your anti-Marvel sentients in peace but this last point just really made it hard not to say anything. Most of Marvel's characters are way more interesting than DC's. For the longest time DC was about power. The more powerful the better. I'll admit in recent times they have become a lot more character driven, which is why I've started regularly reading some DC titles now, but there are still many DC characters that remain one-dimensional. Marvel on the other hand has many heavy hitters that are very deep. Iron Man and Carol's drinking was very interesting. Genis's insecurity and his inability to live up to his father's legacy is another interesting plot point, Wonderman's constant rise and falls, Vision's jealously of having another's brain patterns thus not being his own person etc. There are alot of heavy hitters in Marvel who are developed. You may not like them but it doesn't mean they exist. On the other hand DC has some ridiculously high powered heroes who are driven by powers than anything else. Morrison's JLA was good but it proves what I'm saying. There were good character moments but then there are feats like Aquaman giving people siezures? Powers were amped for convenience of story and while the plots where good and at times where character driven many times all we see are feats of strength and power from the heroes.
As a rule of thumb I say DC heroes are defined by their powers and Marvel heroes are defined by their personalities
Originally posted by marvelprince
K, I've just read through your anti-Marvel sentients in peace but this last point just really made it hard not to say anything. Most of Marvel's characters are way more interesting than DC's. For the longest time DC was about power. The more powerful the better. I'll admit in recent times they have become a lot more character driven, which is why I've started regularly reading some DC titles now, but there are still many DC characters that remain one-dimensional. Marvel on the other hand has many heavy hitters that are very deep. Iron Man and Carol's drinking was very interesting. Genis's insecurity and his inability to live up to his father's legacy is another interesting plot point, Wonder man's constant rise and falls, Vision's jealously of having another's brain patterns thus not being his own person etc. There are alot of heavy hitters in Marvel who are developed. You may not like them but it doesn't mean they exist. On the other hand DC has some ridiculously high powered heroes who are driven by powers than anything else. Morrison's JLA was good but it proves what I'm saying. There were good character moments but then there are feats like Aquaman giving people siezures? Powers were amped for convenience of story and while the plots where good and at times where character driven many times all we see are feats of strength and power from the heroes.
As a rule of thumb I say DC heroes are defined by their powers and Marvel heroes are defined by their personalities [/B][/QUOTE]
Don't take this the wrong way, but you are referring to characters that are SO unpopular that can't even maintain an ongoing title. I've read a lot of the last Gennis run, and the writing is nothing short of shocking. Take a really bad Superman/Green Lantern issue and then let Chris Claremont **** it up a little, and you still don't come close to the atrocity that was the last Captain Marvel series. Joe Queseda has stated that he cant stand the character, and is very glad to see him dead. To compare that 'tripe' to the Morison's run on the JLA really illustrate what mediocre taste you have. IMO its as bad as stating that XXX is a better movie than the Godfather. The only thing ever interesting about Wonder man was his relationship with Wanda. That whole lack of confidence thing, was a real insight into how hard marvel writers have found it to inject any substance into the Avengers personalities. Your points about Iron man and Vision are mute, as i had previously mentioned them in my original post. IMO its evident that you have yet to read my post in its entirety, as you have generally missed the point . The fact that you have interpreted as a direct attack of Marvel Comics, clearly demonstrtaes you're desperation to defend the company, on the basis of ignorance and naievity.
Originally posted by marvelprince
As a rule of thumb I say DC heroes are defined by their powers and Marvel heroes are defined by their personalities
I agree that characterisation is one of Marvels strengths, but its a strength that is yet to EVER be applied to their mightiest mortals.
Originally posted by Darth ViciousNuclear Blast??? Do u meant Gamma? If u r referring to the Hulk, I never even mentioned him or was reffering to him when I said more Marvel characters are believeable. Now is my turn to call u NAIVE. In this day and age, were all kinds of scientific and technological advantages are made every day is it so hard to believe that a person could gain some extraordinare abilities (I dont mean exactly like Spidey) by being bitten by a "radioactive" spider, a spider that has been scientifically manipulated, experimented on? Im not even gonna get into the "cosmic rays" because nobody knows the effects any spacial rays,"cosmic" or otherwise on a human being. I guess is more plausible to believe that theres a Green Lantern Corps or Nova Corps for that matter somewhere in deep space or that theres a race of "Hawk" people in space as well among other things.
Sorry mate but i think you should do some research b4 stating the above .... Radioactive Spiders do not transfer DNA through Venom. The only thing Peter Parker should of got from the bite was a case of Spider Venom followed by a headache and maybe the shits.
Nuclear Blasts do not create 500 lb Green Monsters, you're more likely to be mutated by a Stick of Dynamite , i.e. at least you would have less a chance of being incinerated.
Cosmic Rays, do nothing except give Astronauts Cancer. Cosmic rays are basically Ions (Charged particles), fired out from the sun at high velocities. One is more likely to gain Superpowers from a high powered Light bulb.
On the question of whether there is a Green Lantern Corp Out there ?, I would say probably no, but it is possible. In Warren Ellis Planetary, the Guardians are no longer little Green Men, but components of a Super Computer, with access to reality warping machinery controlled by the mind. Is such equipment possible ?, at the moment most scientist would tell you no. But as stated by Arthur C. Clarke, technology used by beings that are 1000's, millions or maybe Billions of times smarter than current Civilisations will be so advanced, they will seem almost magical. With the new discoveries being made in Quantum mechanics, M theory and brake throughs made in nano tech, whose to say what there isn't a Lantern Corp with technology of 'Gods'. As stated by Arthur C. Clark, 'What isn't impossible will some day happen'. 🙂
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Sorry mate but i think you should do some research b4 stating the above .... Radioactive Spiders do not transfer DNA through Venom. The only thing Peter Parker should of got from the bite was a case of Spider Venom followed by a headache and maybe the shits.Nuclear Blasts do not create 500 lb Green Monsters, you're more likely to be mutated by a Stick of Dynamite , i.e. at least you would have less a chance of being incinerated.
Cosmic Rays, do nothing except give Astronauts Cancer. Cosmic rays are basically Ions (Charged particles), fired out from the sun at high velocities. One is more likely to gain Superpowers from a high powered Light bulb.
On the question of whether there is a Green Lantern Corp Out there ?, I would say probably no, but it is possible. In Warren Ellis Planetary, the Guardians are no longer little Green Men, but components of a Super Computer, with access to reality warping machinery controlled by the mind. Is such equipment possible ?, at the moment most scientist would tell you no. But as stated by Arthur C. Clarke, technology used by beings that are 1000's, millions or maybe Billions of times smarter than current Civilisations will be so advanced, they will seem almost magical. With the new discoveries being made in Quantum mechanics, M theory and brake throughs made in nano tech, whose to say what there isn't a Lantern Corp with technology of 'Gods'. As stated by Arthur C. Clark, 'What isn't impossible will some day happen'. 🙂
Somehowhow none of Marvels origins or the very leats the ones mentioned are plausible at the very least but somehow a Green Lantern Corps is very possible but I guess none of ur theory about Quantum mechanics, M theory and brake throughs made in nano tech and technology of the gods apply to a possible alteration in human dna granting said subject to "magical" powers. I guess they dont apply to any Marvel character perhaps because in your view they are not as cool as DC characters whih is basically the bottom line, you like/love DC comics and nothing no one says will make sense to you. By the way get ur facts straight, Bruce Banner wasnt caught in a "Nuclear blast", it was a freaking "GAMMA BOMB" but then again I dont think u ever bothered to pick a Marvel book.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Somehowhow none of Marvels origins or the very leats the ones mentioned are plausible at the very least but somehow a Green Lantern Corps is very possible but I guess none of ur theory about Quantum mechanics, M theory and brake throughs made in nano tech and technology of the gods apply to a possible alteration in human dna granting said subject to "magical" powers. I guess they dont apply to any Marvel character perhaps because in your view they are not as cool as DC characters whih is basically the bottom line, you like/love DC comics and nothing no one says will make sense to you. By the way get ur facts straight, Bruce Banner wasnt caught in a "Nuclear blast", it was a freaking "GAMMA BOMB" but then again I dont think u ever bothered to pick a Marvel book.
Missed my point completely ..... Of course those advances in science could be used to explain the Marvel origins, yet they sytill maintain the old inaccurate ones. Stan Lee, has always explained Super powers by accidental circumstances, something that is intrinsically flawed . Entropy (a fundamental law of the universe) causes things to deteriorate from a state of oder to chaos. Stan Lee's origins on the other hand, use the concept of Entropy to cause Order. Something that by definition is impossible.
D.C. on the other hand has always been better at providing less chaotic explanations for Super Powers. In most cases the Super Powers are provided by higher more advanced Entities, whether it is the genetic engineering of a civilisation millions of years more advanced, the energy of the God wave, or the technology of a society nearly as old as the cosmos itself. But as you have stated, the plausibility of such factors is questionable. The difference is, they AREN"T IMPOSSIBLE.
Anyway it was you who made the original point that Marvel where more realistic. IMO they are both as unrealistic as each other. If you want a more realistic Super hero comic, I suggest you pick up Supreme Power or even Planetary.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I guess they dont apply to any Marvel character perhaps because in your view they are not as cool as DC characters whih is basically the bottom line, you like/love DC comics and nothing no one says will make sense to you. By the way get ur facts straight, Bruce Banner wasnt caught in a "Nuclear blast", it was a freaking "GAMMA BOMB" but then again I dont think u ever bothered to pick a Marvel book.
Ok was that really necessary ?, I read as many Marvel books as D.C. books. I really couldn't give a shit about the perpetual rivalry that exist on this, and many other Forums. I read comics for their quality, hence my rather obscure pull list. B.T.W. Nuclear bombs emit gamma rays, when they explode. In fact the idea of 'Gamma bomb' with out any form of nuclear Fission/Fusion is as retarded as the Hulks origin. I suggest you get you're facts right b4, getting ironically hysterical about something you are accusing me of.