Originally posted by Mr MasterI see Mr Master still holding it down.
Retconned into a being that will collapse the Multi-verse with his death."to rend the Life Force of such a being as the Beyonder"
"Havoc unthinkable would be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography"Well, because it isn't, it's a joke.
I only say what's on panel.
Originally posted by bigbran
My point is, That because your obviously a DC fan, so when you see a DC character lose, your going to say things like Marvel runs this b!tch!
I thought the same thing in reverse when I first joined this place.But then I read and seened some Dc, and ya, my opinion has changed. I'm neutral now, and I'll go against anyone that thinks like that.
And even if it was Marvel biased, DC obviously has more dedicated fans, and it evens out.
But when you also say things like Pc superman is an abstract level. It makes sense that you would see things like that.
I have also never seen you say a DC character would lose.
And I do believe PC superman to be abstract. He really was able to do anything he wanted. He was totally unkillable. He represented the most powerful being in the cosmos at the time. he was a force of nature. PC superman probably could have been written to stalemate galactus. SO yeah, to me he was abstract. NO being in comics should have even had the might that he had unless they were abstract. Moving entire freaking solar systems and sneezing away planets is just rediculous,.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And I do believe PC superman to be abstract. He really was able to do anything he wanted. He was totally unkillable. He represented the most powerful being in the cosmos at the time. he was a force of nature. PC superman probably could have been written to stalemate galactus. SO yeah, to me he was abstract. NO being in comics should have even had the might that he had unless they were abstract. Moving entire freaking solar systems and sneezing away planets is just rediculous,.
He was also able to blow away planets with his breath, as well as close, move, destroy, and create dimensions and universes by vibrating.
He also had complete mastery of time and speed, able to travel trillions of times the speed of light as pc superboy no less, well at the same time as stated on panel being able to travel across countless universes in under a second.
He was also able to change and adjust the future by punching.
At PC supermans best showings he was multiversal, a prime example of this is when PC Superboy raced PC Supergirl across countless universes at trillions of times the speed of light in a PLAYFUL (not even exerting himself) game of tag.
Originally posted by Jesse7
He was also able to blow away planets with his breath, as well as close, move, destroy, and create dimensions and universes by vibrating.He also had complete mastery of time and speed, able to travel trillions of times the speed of light as pc superboy no less, well at the same time as stated on panel being able to travel across countless universes in under a second.
He was also able to change and adjust the future by punching.
The anti monitor absorbs the beyonder and powers himself up a LITTLE more. Pre retcon would make The AM Twice as strong. Since they both literally have the same kind of description. One absorbed infinite universes. One was everything out side of the mu. (dont know how you manage to be outside of the very thing ur created in but what ever). The Am's Goal was to collapse reality. If killing the beyonder serves that goal, he would simply do it.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The anti monitor absorbs the beyonder and powers himself up a LITTLE more. Pre retcon would make The AM Twice as strong. Since they both literally have the same kind of description. One absorbed infinite universes. One was everything out side of the mu. (dont know how you manage to be outside of the very thing ur created in but what ever). The Am's Goal was to collapse reality. If killing the beyonder serves that goal, he would simply do it.
Well I like Supes, but I say Pre-Retcon beyonder completely erases the AM, because the Pre-Retcon beyonder was the writter/s in the comic themselves. Comic Writters>Comic characters, the PR beyonder was stated to be the representation of the writters in the comic in that they could do they anything and that they were beyond anything in the comic thus the name "The Beyonder". this was stated by Jim Shooter the creator of Secret Wars and the beyonder.
PR Beyonder over AM.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlSo you just ignore that whole post, just to go for one statement?
ur wrong, read more forums. I say Dc characters loose when they should loose.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl^^^^^
And I do believe PC superman to be abstract. He really was able to do anything he wanted. He was totally unkillable. He represented the most powerful being in the cosmos at the time. he was a force of nature. PC superman probably could have been written to stalemate galactus. SO yeah, to me he was abstract. NO being in comics should have even had the might that he had unless they were abstract. Moving entire freaking solar systems and sneezing away planets is just rediculous,.
Lets take Galactus and Tyrant into consideration. In there first battle, they destroyed quite a few Galaxies. Just by fighting.
Would I consider them an abstract? The answer is no.
Full power Galactus would be an equal to Eternity. He wouldn't be an abstract, but he would be at a level for it.
Eternity= universe.
Death= Death.
Infinty=Space and Time.
etc. you get the point.
Now what does Superman equal?( since you believe him to an abstract, instead of an abstract level)
Eternity would pimpslap, someone like Odin, a skyfather level.
Or Tyrant, or a normal power Galactus.
Eternity has also created the Celestials, who have curbstomped all Skyfathers, and a super powered Destroyer.
Is PC superman on a Celestial level too? Which is also lower than Galactus, which is also lower than Eternity.
No! It takes more than blowing away a galxy to be an abstract level( or as you called him, an actual Abstract!)
Originally posted by Jesse7Proof is nice! Some of these statements seem quite false, and I am pretty sure that I shouldn't believe them.
He was also able to blow away planets with his breath, as well as close, move, destroy, and create dimensions and universes by vibrating.He also had complete mastery of time and speed, able to travel trillions of times the speed of light as pc superboy no less, well at the same time as stated on panel being able to travel across countless universes in under a second.
He was also able to change and adjust the future by punching.
At PC supermans best showings he was multiversal, a prime example of this is when PC Superboy raced PC Supergirl across countless universes at trillions of times the speed of light in a PLAYFUL (not even exerting himself) game of tag.
And, Eternity is a Universe. So ya, that should top Supes right there. And he is also, an on panel abstract
Originally posted by Jesse7
Well I like Supes, but I say Pre-Retcon beyonder completely erases the AM, because the Pre-Retcon beyonder was the writter/s in the comic themselves. Comic Writters>Comic characters, the PR beyonder was stated to be the representation of the writters in the comic in that they could do they anything and that they were beyond anything in the comic thus the name "The Beyonder". this was stated by Jim Shooter the creator of Secret Wars and the beyonder.PR Beyonder over AM.
AM was the more than the writer. AM was the editorial descision to destroy the multi verse. NUFF SAID.
Originally posted by bigbran
So you just ignore that whole post, just to go for one statement?
^^^^^
Thats your opinion.
But he also got beaten down by Pc darkseid, a Daximite, etc.
I bet you also consider those beings, an abstract too.
It takes more than those feats to equate into an abstract.Lets take Galactus and Tyrant into consideration. In there first battle, they destroyed quite a few Galaxies. Just by fighting.
Would I consider them an abstract? The answer is no.
Full power Galactus would be an equal to Eternity. He wouldn't be an abstract, but he would be at a level for it.Eternity= universe.
Death= Death.
Infinty=Space and Time.
etc. you get the point.Now what does Superman equal?( since you believe him to an abstract, instead of an abstract level)
Eternity would pimpslap, someone like Odin, a skyfather level.
Or Tyrant, or a normal power Galactus.
Eternity has also created the Celestials, who have curbstomped all Skyfathers, and a super powered Destroyer.
Is PC superman on a Celestial level too? Which is also lower than Galactus, which is also lower than Galactus.
No! It takes more than blowing away a galxy to be an abstract level( or as you called him, an actual Abstract!) Proof is nice! Some of these statements seem quite false, and I am pretty sure that I shouldn't believe them.
I don't recall him ever creating a universe, at any time.And, Eternity is a Universe. So ya, that should top Supes right there. And he is also, an on panel abstract
PC Supes contradicted his character alot, or to say more accurately, the writters contradicted Supermans character alot by catering to whatever was needed at the time; press, publicity, movies, twinkies, etc.
But at PC supes best showings he was multiversal, a few examples I can think of that show this is when PC Superboy was able to travel across countless (I dont remember the number it gave or if it said countless) universes at some rediculous level of times the speed of light in a playful game of tag with pc super girl, o and about Supes being able to destroy universes he did this when vibrating his molecules at the right frequency to permanently destroy bridging universes/realities to trap opponents in other universes/realities.
Originally posted by bigbran
So you just ignore that whole post, just to go for one statement?
^^^^^
Thats your opinion.
But he also got beaten down by Pc darkseid, a Daximite, etc.
I bet you also consider those beings, an abstract too.
It takes more than those feats to equate into an abstract.Lets take Galactus and Tyrant into consideration. In there first battle, they destroyed quite a few Galaxies. Just by fighting.
Would I consider them an abstract? The answer is no.
Full power Galactus would be an equal to Eternity. He wouldn't be an abstract, but he would be at a level for it.Eternity= universe.
Death= Death.
Infinty=Space and Time.
etc. you get the point.Now what does Superman equal?( since you believe him to an abstract, instead of an abstract level)
Eternity would pimpslap, someone like Odin, a skyfather level.
Or Tyrant, or a normal power Galactus.
Eternity has also created the Celestials, who have curbstomped all Skyfathers, and a super powered Destroyer.
Is PC superman on a Celestial level too? Which is also lower than Galactus, which is also lower than Eternity.
No! It takes more than blowing away a galxy to be an abstract level( or as you called him, an actual Abstract!) Proof is nice! Some of these statements seem quite false, and I am pretty sure that I shouldn't believe them.
I don't recall him ever creating a universe, at any time.And, Eternity is a Universe. So ya, that should top Supes right there. And he is also, an on panel abstract
precrisis superman was easily abstract in power. He was more powerful than many abstracts we see in comics today. he was waaaaaay over powered. and one reason he was locked up in a crytal cube for eternity is becuz he was too hard to write for. what can you do with galactus in a cape? nothing.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Pre retcon would make The AM Twice as strong.
PRB blinks Am away.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
One absorbed infinite universes.
"Infinite"?
And he was taken out by heroes 😆
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
One was everything out side of the mu. (dont know how you manage to be outside of the very thing ur created in but what ever).
"Everything OUTSIDE the Multi-verse (Which is TRULY Infinite)
And he wasn't created inside the Multi-verse, he always was, OUTSIDE the Multi-verse.
His level of Power:
Millions of Times More Powerful than ALL the Rest of the Multiverse Combined.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlSo the staff also is weaker than Spectre?
AM was the more than the writer. AM was the editorial descision to destroy the multi verse. NUFF SAID.
Originally posted by bigbran
So the staff also is weaker than Spectre?
I'm sorry, but if that doesn't make you extremely Dc fantoyish, then I don't know what would?
The fact, that you got beat, and then you make up something to top the Marvel character, would seem that you shouldn't be making Marvel Biased threads.
And saying that the beyonder is every thing outside of the marvel universe doesn't make someone a marvel fanboy. Marvel doesn't have the power to create a being to represent things outside of thier wrealm. And i'm not beat. how am I beat? The AM was a decsion to retool the entire DCU. By thier feats of effects on thier companies, the AM has the beyonder beat 8 ways to sunday. The AM's power and effects are still felt today. The beyonder was a two bit cross over plot device that didn't have the impact on marvel that the AM had on DC. If the beyonder is the power of the writer, he is truly outclassed by the AM. The AM's writer has shown a considerably greater deal of power in the fact that his character changed an entire company and the effects lasted in three company wide cross overs. THE AM Wins since people want to use the real world effects of the beyonder. I'm going to use the real world effects of the AM. AM FTW. Now fan boy that!!
Originally posted by Jesse7How does racing through universes make you multiversal?
PC Supes contradicted his character alot, or to say more accurately, the writters contradicted Supermans character alot by catering to whatever was needed at the time; press, publicity, movies, twinkies, etc.But at PC supes best showings he was multiversal, a few examples I can think of that show this is when PC Superboy was able to travel across countless (I dont remember the number it gave or if it said countless) universes at some rediculous level of times the speed of light in a playful game of tag with pc super girl, o and about Supes being able to destroy universes he did this when vibrating his molecules at the right frequency to permanently destroy bridging universes/realities to trap opponents in other universes/realities.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlNow for you...
precrisis superman was easily abstract in power. He was more powerful than many abstracts we see in comics today. he was waaaaaay over powered. and one reason he was locked up in a crytal cube for eternity is becuz he was too hard to write for. what can you do with galactus in a cape? nothing.
I bet that Daximite, was also more powerful than a universe....
Oh and did you even read half the stuff, I wrote before you made that redicules statement.
Originally posted by bigbran
How does racing through universes make you multiversal?
I also said proof would be nice, in case you missed that. Now for you...
Tell me some feats of Eternity!
Quick, come on.
You can't really, so how was he ever shown more powerful than the abstracts? He's more powerful, that all of Death, He's more powerful than any character in 616, cause Eternity is until G absorbs his world ship. He's more powerful than space and time, correct me if I'm wrong here. He's not an Abstract level, and he certanly isn't an abstract. To be an Abstract would have him representing something.
It's bad enough to claim and Abstract level, but to actually say he's an abstract....wow!I bet that Daximite, was also more powerful than a universe....
Oh and did you even read half the stuff, I wrote before you made that redicules statement.
PC Supes contradicted his character alot, or to say more accurately, the writters contradicted Supermans character alot by catering to whatever was needed at the time; press, publicity, movies, twinkies, etc.
But at PC supes best showings he was multiversal, a few examples I can think of that show this is when PC Superboy was able to travel across countless (I dont remember the number it gave or if it said countless) universes at some rediculous level of times the speed of light in a playful game of tag with pc super girl, o and about Supes being able to destroy universes he did this when vibrating his molecules at the right frequency to permanently destroy bridging universes/realities to trap opponents in other universes/realities.
Pc Supes at his top showings was multiversal Bigbran.
P.S. This isn't PC Supes vs Eternity, so lets get back on topic.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And saying that the beyonder is every thing outside of the marvel universe doesn't make someone a marvel fanboy. Marvel doesn't have the power to create a being to represent things outside of thier wrealm. And i'm not beat. how am I beat? The AM was a decsion to retool the entire DCU. By thier feats of effects on thier companies, the AM has the beyonder beat 8 ways to sunday. The AM's power and effects are still felt today. The beyonder was a two bit cross over plot device that didn't have the impact on marvel that the AM had on DC. If the beyonder is the power of the writer, he is truly outclassed by the AM. The AM's writer has shown a considerably greater deal of power in the fact that his character changed an entire company and the effects lasted in three company wide cross overs. THE AM Wins since people want to use the real world effects of the beyonder. I'm going to use the real world effects of the AM. AM FTW. Now fan boy that!!
