beyonder vs anti monitor

Multiversal or not, both PC superman and Antimonitor got knocked around. PRBeyonder was never hurt by anyone that he didn't let hurt him. If he didn't give you the ability to hurt him, you couldn't. The most powerful in the multiverse did little more than tickle him.

Darkseids OB "crippled" AM.

AM didn't affect change through the multiverse through his own power. He used devices to do it.

A mere thought from Beyonder caused changes in the multiverse. He didn't even exert himself...

So lets see... Beyonder thinks it... and it happens... AM has to construct devices to pull it off, and ended up almost getting his defeat handed to him by a girl...

PRB wins.
PostRB is closer, but still wins.

Originally posted by Mr Master
PRB blinks Am away.

"Infinite"?

And he was taken out by heroes 😆

"Everything OUTSIDE the Multi-verse (Which is TRULY Infinite)

And he wasn't created inside the Multi-verse, he always was, OUTSIDE the Multi-verse.

His level of Power:

Millions of Times More Powerful than ALL the Rest of the Multiverse Combined.

Mr. Master keep it coming with evidences, I don't think they realize what they they are talking about.

Originally posted by rotiart
Multiversal or not, both PC superman and Antimonitor got knocked around. PRBeyonder was never hurt by anyone that he didn't let hurt him. If he didn't give you the ability to hurt him, you couldn't. The most powerful in the multiverse did little more than tickle him.

Darkseids OB "crippled" AM.

AM didn't affect change through the multiverse through his own power. He used devices to do it.

A mere thought from Beyonder caused changes in the multiverse. He didn't even exert himself...

So lets see... Beyonder thinks it... and it happens... AM has to construct devices to pull it off, and ended up almost getting his defeat handed to him by a girl...

PRB wins.
PostRB is closer, but still wins.

The AM changed the face of a company for over 20 years. He has pre retcon beyonder beat by feats. FOR REAL. The beyonder does not compare.

Originally posted by rotiart
Multiversal or not, both PC superman and Antimonitor got knocked around. PRBeyonder was never hurt by anyone that he didn't let hurt him. If he didn't give you the ability to hurt him, you couldn't. The most powerful in the multiverse did little more than tickle him.

Darkseids OB "crippled" AM.

AM didn't affect change through the multiverse through his own power. He used devices to do it.

A mere thought from Beyonder caused changes in the multiverse. He didn't even exert himself...

So lets see... Beyonder thinks it... and it happens... AM has to construct devices to pull it off, and ended up almost getting his defeat handed to him by a girl...

PRB wins.
PostRB is closer, but still wins.

Um this debate is AM VS PR Beyonder, not Supes, and as I stated Supes was multiversal at his best showings, but I have said multiple times the PR Beyonder beats the AM.

Secondly, your saying that post retcon beyonder can beat let alone chalenge the AM? The AM far surpasses post retcon beyonder.

But as for the topic which is PRE RETCON BEYONDER VS ANTI-MONITOR, I say Pre Beyonder 10/10

Even Thanos didn't want too unleashed the Beyonder after he defeated the maker and that alone tells you alot. Post Beyonder is still powerful enogh to make AM his lap dog.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Um this debate is AM VS PR Beyonder, not Supes, and as I stated Supes was multiversal at his best showings, but I have said multiple times the PR Beyonder beats the AM.

Secondly, your saying that post retcon beyonder can beat let alone chalenge the AM? The AM far surpasses post retcon beyonder.

But as for the topic which is PRE RETCON BEYONDER VS ANTI-MONITOR, I say Pre Beyonder 10/10

no he doesnt'. If Pre retcon is the representation of the writer, then the AM has the beyonder beat hands down. The beyonders effects on the universe have nothing on the effects of the AM and his effects upon the universe.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Even Thanos didn't want too unleashed the Beyonder after he defeated the maker and that alone tells you alot. Post Beyonder is still powerful enogh to make AM his lap dog.

I'm with this guy 😄

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And saying that the beyonder is every thing outside of the marvel universe doesn't make someone a marvel fanboy.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Marvel doesn't have the power to create a being to represent things outside of thier wrealm.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And i'm not beat. how am I beat?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The AM was a decsion to retool the entire DCU. By thier feats of effects on thier companies, the AM has the beyonder beat 8 ways to sunday.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The AM's power and effects are still felt today. The beyonder was a two bit cross over plot device that didn't have the impact on marvel that the AM had on DC.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If the beyonder is the power of the writer, he is truly outclassed by the AM. The AM's writer has shown a considerably greater deal of power in the fact that his character changed an entire company and the effects lasted in three company wide cross overs. THE AM Wins since people want to use the real world effects of the beyonder.

Beyonder has the full backing of everyone who has ever been involved in Marvel, but he only got beat by Molecule man( since you ignore other showings. I might as well too.)
Dude, don't make up stuff like this! It's redicules!

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Or better yet, the whole staff? I'm going to use the real world effects of the AM. AM FTW. Now fan boy that!!

Pre rec Beyonder was like the answer to PC Superman bullsh** to the billionth power.

Post Beyonder is still feared threw out the Multi universe.

Um when did Thanos not want to unleash the Beyonder? Their is no more pre-retrcon beyonder, only post retcon now which has been explained everything he saw and did was an illusion, by the way LT defeated the post retcon beyonder.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And saying that the beyonder is every thing outside of the marvel universe doesn't make someone a marvel fanboy.

Everything OUTSIDE the Multi-verse:

And Everything INSIDE the Multi-verse:

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Marvel doesn't have the power to create a being to represent things outside of thier wrealm.

Don't be silly and think when I said "Everything OUTSIDE the Multi-verse I meant DC or any other company,

Beyonder was Everything OUTSIDE the Multi-verse in MARVEL.

Until Nov. 1986 Marvel had the Multi-verse and the Beyond Realm (everything outside the Multi-verse) which was introduced in May 1984

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The AM was a decsion to retool the entire DCU. By thier feats of effects on thier companies, the AM has the beyonder beat 8 ways to sunday. The AM's power and effects are still felt today.The beyonder was a two bit cross over plot device that didn't have the impact on marvel that the AM had on DC. If the beyonder is the power of the writer, he is truly outclassed by the AM. The AM's writer has shown a considerably greater deal of power in the fact that his character changed an entire company and the effects lasted in three company wide cross overs. THE AM Wins since people want to use the real world effects of the beyonder. I'm going to use the real world effects of the AM. AM FTW.

If you wanna put it that way:

All this rolled with continuity:

Spider Man's black suit to THIS day, is in effect

Molecule Man realizing his potential

The Thing reverts back to human for the first time ever and is able to control it

Colossus falls out of love with Kitty

The Lizard loses his powers

Volcana is created by Doom

Titania is created by Doom

SpiderWoman's first appearance

This is off the top of my head, I could go on like a madman, but you get me.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Pre rec Beyonder was like the answer to PC Superman bullsh** to the billionth power.

Post Beyonder is still feared threw out the Multi universe.

Um no he isn't, post retcon beyonder was retconned that everything he did and saw was an illusion created by himself, that and the abstracts played along to the illusion, so technically their is no pre-retcon beyonder.

P.S. The universe does not fear post retcon beyonder, the LT took care of him, as in put him in his place.

P.S.S. I know that Pre-Retcon beyonder doesn't technically exist, but this debate is Pre Ret beyonder Vs AM so we are to take Pre Ret as if what he did was real.

Originally posted by Jesse7
PC Supes contradicted his character alot, or to say more accurately, the writters contradicted Supermans character alot by catering to whatever was needed at the time; press, publicity, movies, twinkies, etc.

But at PC supes best showings he was multiversal, a few examples I can think of that show this is when PC Superboy was able to travel across countless (I dont remember the number it gave or if it said countless) universes at some rediculous level of times the speed of light in a playful game of tag with pc super girl, o and about Supes being able to destroy universes he did this when vibrating his molecules at the right frequency to permanently destroy bridging universes/realities to trap opponents in other universes/realities.

Pc Supes at his top showings was multiversal Bigbran.

P.S. This isn't PC Supes vs Eternity, so lets get back on topic.

Oh and when has this happened?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Everything OUTSIDE the Multi-verse:

And Everything INSIDE the Multi-verse:

Don't be silly and think when I said "Everything OUTSIDE the Multi-verse I meant DC or any other company,

Beyonder was Everything OUTSIDE the Multi-verse in MARVEL.

Until Nov. 1986 Marvel had the Multi-verse and the Beyond Realm (everything outside the Multi-verse) which was introduced in May 1984

If you wanna put it that way:

All this rolled with continuity:

Spider Man's black suit to THIS day, is in effect

Molecule Man realizing his potential

The Thing reverts back to human for the first time ever and is able to control it

Colossus falls out of love with Kitty

The Lizard loses his powers

Volcana is created by Doom

Titania is created by Doom

SpiderWoman's first appearance

This is off the top of my head, I could go on like a madman, but you get me.

The list does not compare to an entire retooling of the DC universe.

Originally posted by bigbran
Find a quote where I ever said anything remotely close to what you just said. And where has DC shown this? In case your going to say what I think your going to say.
Beyonder, Mephesto, etc. 😆 😆 Well if this was a spelling competition, you would have been beat a couple of pages ago., but seriously. Jesse beat you when he/she/it said that Beyonder had the power of the writer. So you made up something to upstage it. Getting hammered by Supergirl, Dr Light, sure beats Beyonder's feats. Oh whoops sorry, all of these characters are abstracts, right? Well Beyonder had all the abstracts shaking in there spandex, and if they would have attacked him, they would have been put in there place. Well duh!!! Beyonder was retconned!!! AM wasn't, so you do the math.How does making a lasting effect, make you have the power of the writers? tell me where the whole staff gets beat by spectre, or when they get holes in them by Normal DC characters at the time. And Beyonder has on panel said to be one million times more powerful than the Multiverse, combined!
Since you insist on using you made up logic, I might as well use mine:

Beyonder has the full backing of everyone who has ever been involved in Marvel, but he only got beat by Molecule man( since you ignore other showings. I might as well too.)
Dude, don't make up stuff like this! It's redicules! Ya....

damn man, that was 😆.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Um when did Thanos not want to unleash the Beyonder? Their is no more pre-retrcon beyonder, only post retcon now which has been explained everything he saw and did was an illusion,

I'm gonna have to go with Dark on this Jess.

I'll explain everything here:

Owen Reece in NOT a Cosmic Cube anymore.

His power has reached a potential that seems to rival Pre-retcon Molecule Man.

Owen Reece has TWO personalities, a passive limited side that makes him:

"One of the MOST Powerful beings in the Universe"

Owen Reece's OTHER side is the unlimited potential personified that he has.
This other side is called Molecule Man...and this is what that looks like.

Owen Reece (POST-Molecule Man)...becomes Evil Molecule Man

When insane/evil Molecule Man manifested out of Owen Reece, he went out to find POST-Retcon Beyonder to kill him out of revenge.

Insane/evil Molecule Man is something like Pre-retcon Molecule Man,
Multi-versal for sure...
since his separation from the Cosmic Cube, his power has reached levels that are unimaginable to Cosmic Cubes.

Post-retcon Molecule Man is a MONSTER!

Molecule Man actually extracts the essence of the Beyonder that's within Kosmos from Earth.

"power unimaginable...it's reaching through time and space"

"ripping the essence of that being from me"

"My Soul...Gone"


"Is this death"?

Continues...

"Who dares summon the Beyonder from Oblivion?

"I dare behold me...and despair"

"a conflict spanning PLANES of existence"


"a battle in which the laws of physics are tortured beyond recognition and eventually shattered"

Molecule Man: "there are Infinities Beyond your limited perception"

"from the Quantum to the Trans-Multiversal, Reality trembles as the forces unleashed reverberate through out creation"

Realize how ALL Reality (in the Multi-verse) is being affected because of them, (both are POST-Retcon).

A WATCHER even goes blind in another Universe.

And the FlatLand Reality is completely Warped, from a Two Dimensional Universe to a Three Dimensional Universe.

Continues...

Now part of the retcon of the Beyonder, is that he was made an intrinsic part of the Multi-verse.

"to rend the Life Force of such a being as the Beyonder"
"Havoc unthinkable would be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography"

At first, some of us thought this was nonsense since the Maker (current incarnation of the Beyonder) was seemingly dead during the Annihilation series.

I began to turn pages and found this out: The Maker is NOT dead at all...

This is how the Maker ended up "Dead"...


Beyonder, (Maker) still imposing limitations like his PRE era, takes on Mortal Form.

"The Mind is Dead...Do NOT kill the body"...This is in order to keep the essence of the Beyonder in prisoned within the Maker.

Keep her body alive.

"a Living Prison"

"The ONLY prison capable of containing the Beyonder...it's essence"

"had we killed the Maker Form? The prisoner goes free"

"We would of ENABLED the thing we'd sought to prevent (the destruction of the Universe that is)

In this Thanos series, the Maker could have imploded the Universe on a whim if it had not gone mad.

Continues...

Thanos knew of the Maker's potential
Thanos says his only recollection of the Beyonder or Kosmos is Unlimited power...he repeats this.

This is Thanos after having possessed a Cosmic Cube that made him a Universe...after having the Infinity Gauntlet that made him "God"...after having THOU...which absorbed Living Tribunal.

The Maker was rendered unconcious because it took on mortal form and it was spiraling into madness.

They wanted to kill the Maker in it's vulnerable state...Gladiator asks, "Can you kill a god?"

Here Gladiator calls the Maker "the most powerful being in the known Universe"...
and again refers to it as a god...but it' decided to take on mortal form, which made it vulnerable.

Now back to Molecule Man...

Molecule Man's power, has FAR greater potential than any Cosmic Cube or even the Beyonder.

Kubik BEGS the Molecule Man not to kill the Beyonder, which would bring forth the END of Reality.

Finally Molecule Man is calmed down and Owen is able to take control again, he reverts back to passive, limited Owen Reece

"Ripping galaxies apart, bending the Laws of nature at Whim...That's easy stuff"

Hope that cleared that up

Originally posted by the Darkone
damn man, that was 😆.

Well i'll try better to get rid of my muscle disorder so I can type better for you all since you think it's so funny.