The effects of the Anti Monitor vs The Effects of Pre-retcon Beyonder
By thier displays of power and actions, which One has shown the greater power.
Which Character changed thier universes and companies more?
Which being truly was more powerful?
Which characters writer truly had the most power? Since the beyonder is the writer, which character's legacy is the greatest?
Originally posted by rotiart
Pre-Retcon thought it... and it happened... if he wished for cows to have wings.. they would... or rather.. cows don't have wings.. because he doesn't want athem to.Thought becomes action
vsThought becomes action... becomes action..
what does this have to do with the topic of the thread?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlPr Beyonder had no effect, because he was ret conned.
By thier displays of power and actions, which One has shown the greater power.Which Character changed thier universes and companies more?
Which being truly was more powerful?
Which characters writer truly had the most power? Since the beyonder is the writer, which character's legacy is the greatest?
Originally posted by bigbran
Pr Beyonder had no effect, because he was ret conned.
Do you not know this?
But he has him beat in raw power.
So pointless thread.
You can't have it both ways. People always say the beyonder was more powerful becuz he had the power of the writer. So now I want to see what that writers power really was compared to what the AM did to the DCU. You can't use an example to back up a character and then choose not to use it when it's not convenient.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Bump. I'm waiting to see which character actually showed the greatest power by what they did to thier respective multiverses and how the effects lasted and chaged things. Please, show me how the pre retcon beyonder is truly mightier than THE AM
I already showed you 10 effects Secret Wars had on continuity
Spider Man's black suit to THIS day, is in effect
Molecule Man realizing his potential
The Thing reverts back to human for the first time ever and is able to control it
Colossus falls out of love with Kitty
The Lizard loses his powers
Volcana is created by Doom
Titania is created by Doom
SpiderWoman's first appearance
Hulk loses his intellect
Piledriver dies
This is off the top of my head
Originally posted by Mr Master
I already showed you 10 effects Secret Wars had on continuitySpider Man's black suit to THIS day, is in effect
Molecule Man realizing his potential
The Thing reverts back to human for the first time ever and is able to control it
Colossus falls out of love with Kitty
The Lizard loses his powers
Volcana is created by Doom
Titania is created by Doom
SpiderWoman's first appearance
Hulk loses his intellect
Piledriver dies
This is off the top of my head
Yes, but do these effects equal what the AM did to the DCU? out of the Am, we have zero hour, infinite crisis, even the jla avengers saga has ties to crisis. By feats of who changed thier universes and companies more, the pre retcon beyonder looses.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yes, but do these effects equal what the AM did to the DCU? out of the Am, we have zero hour, infinite crisis, even the jla avengers saga has ties to crisis. By feats of who changed thier universes and companies more, the pre retcon beyonder looses.
This seems a bit spiteful.....
Originally posted by Jesse7
This seems a bit spiteful.....
it's not. Every argument for the beyonder equates to him being the writer. This is what the basis for his power is argued with. So I"m not being spiteful, i'm going into that wrealm that I haven't gone into thus far. If the beyonder was the will of the writer, then I want to compare the effects of the AM and his writer on his Universe and Company. It's only fair that if the pre ret beyonder's power is that of the writer, that we look at his effect on the company and that universe as compared to the anti monitor's effect on his company and universe.
Well I say that AM wins this match up, in sheer impact and effect the AM had on DC is more so then the Beyonder had on Marvel.
I say this by the fact that DC was entirely revamped by the AM and is still affected by it to this day.
Besides Ralph Machio disliked Jim Shooter's idea of the beyonder or in other words, the idea of a godlike figure in marvel that he retconned it.
Steve Englehart originally wanted to use the beyonder to tie into the "Beyonders" mentioned earlier in comics.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
it's not. Every argument for the beyonder equates to him being the writer. This is what the basis for his power is argued with. So I"m not being spiteful, i'm going into that wrealm that I haven't gone into thus far. If the beyonder was the will of the writer, then I want to compare the effects of the AM and his writer on his Universe and Company. It's only fair that if the pre ret beyonder's power is that of the writer, that we look at his effect on the company and that universe as compared to the anti monitor's effect on his company and universe.
Actually I have NEVER in all my time as a member used that as my arguement for Beyonder.
My thing is on panel evidence.
Fine, I guess AM impacted DC more, but I could care less about this.
Feat wise in comic books, Pre-retcon Beyonder blinks AM away
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually I have NEVER in all my time as a member used that as my arguement for Beyonder.My thing is on panel evidence.
Fine, I guess AM impacted DC more, but I could care less about this.
Feat wise in comic books, Pre-retcon Beyonder blinks AM away
Well, I have been doing my research, The Am is even more powerful than I knew. I will gather my evidence and post it later. I gotta work. But THE AM collapsed the entire DCU. And he fed himself upon every single universe he destroyed. So in the end you have one multiversal being against another. how the beyonder beats another being of the same power is beyond me. I can't even say the Am beats the beyonder outright. Not when they both have the power of millions of universes. I can only theorize the the Am would collapse the beyonders realities and eat them. So i'm going for this approach. The effects theyhad on thier multiverses.