Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUyeah i was gonna say that there is only 11 issues of the GN not 12 lol...... i thought u were trying to bullshit me, the first 12 volumes dont begin to show the true power of lucifer..... if u end up getting anymore lucifer issues, then go with the graphic novels, there are only 11 of them total, which is much better then 75 of the seperate issues
Sorry, ment issues.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUBecause Anti-Monitor's effects are still lasting 20 years+ after he was destroyed. He's the reason the DCU is the way it is in its entirety, he changed his reality as a whole, and pretty much everything in it.
Because Beyonder restored allmost all his affects on it.
Originally posted by Juntai
Because Anti-Monitor's effects are still lasting 20 years+ after he was destroyed. He's the reason the DCU is the way it is in its entirety, he changed his reality as a whole, and pretty much everything in it.
I can't argue against this.
But this is without doubt the stupidest thread ever.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlActually no one has said that right now, your the only one saying it. Implying something?
it's not. Every argument for the beyonder equates to him being the writer. This is what the basis for his power is argued with. So I"m not being spiteful, i'm going into that wrealm that I haven't gone into thus far. If the beyonder was the will of the writer, then I want to compare the effects of the AM and his writer on his Universe and Company. It's only fair that if the pre ret beyonder's power is that of the writer, that we look at his effect on the company and that universe as compared to the anti monitor's effect on his company and universe.
Oh ya, and wasn't it you, that said AM had the power of the whole staff?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
actually stan lee's words do mean something to me. But if the AM was a descision by the powers that be at DC, how is the beyonder any more powerful than him? especially since on panel, the AM has actually shown universe obliterating and absorbtion powers. And since the AM actually destroyed the multiverse, you all refuse to acknowlege that. So I have to go to the source of the beyonder's power. The writer. THe writer of the beyonder is not nearly as powerful as the writer of the AM. Becuz the effects of the AM were far reaching, megaverse destroying, and still last even to this day.
Originally posted by rotiart
Antimonitor was created by:
Marv Wolfman
George Pérez
Jerry OrdwayBeyonder was created by:
Jim Shooter1 writer... vs 3 writers. 😉 Thats how... 3 on 1 fight... thats a whole long of pencil shankings!
The Kingdom introduced a new element to the DC Universe: Hypertime. This appears to be a variation on the multiple earth/universe concept from prior DC canon, which was eliminated in 1985's 12-issue limited series Crisis on Infinite Earths (the seeds are also sown for Infinite Crisis, as there is a brief scene where Kal-L, the original Superman, reflects on how he has come to regard his new reality as a prison, but is now aware of an exit that he may use at some future date).
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Hypertime is a fictional concept presented in the 1998 comic book series The Kingdom, both a catch-all explanation for any continuity discrepancies in DC Universe stories and a variation or superset of the Multiverse that existed before Crisis on Infinite Earths.
The basic premise of the idea was summed up by writer Mark Waid as, "It's all true." It presumes that all of the stories ever told about (for example) Superman are equally valid stories. Despite overt contradictions between the versions of the character (and his adventures, supporting characters, and setting) that appeared in the late 1930s and 1940s comics by Joe Shuster and Jerry Siegel, portrayed by George Reeves in the 1950s TV series, depicted in 1960s and 1970s comics drawn by Kurt Schaffenberger or Curt Swan, portrayed by Christopher Reeve in the 1978 movie and its sequels, written and illustrated by John Byrne in the late 1980s, portrayed by Dean Cain in the 1990s TV series Lois and Clark, portrayed by Tom Welling in the 2000s TV series Smallville, or portrayed by Brandon Routh in the 2006 movie, no one of these versions supersedes any other as canon. This was a repudiation of the prevailing approach to continuity in superhero comics, in which only the currently-used version is considered valid, rendering prior stories which are inconsistent with this continuity officially apocryphal.
As it appears within comics stories themselves, hypertime is a superdimensional construct which—under very limited circumstances (proscribed by editors in the real world, and by various in-story rules within the DC Universe itself)—can allow versions of characters from one continuity to interact with versions from another. For example, in The Kingdom, a version of Superman extrapolated into the future briefly encounters the Siegel/Shuster version.
Basically, hypertime works like this: the main, or "official" timeline is like a river, with a nearly infinite number of tributaries—alternate timelines— branching off. Most of the time, these alternate timelines go off on their own and never intersect with the main timeline. On occasion, the branches return, feeding back into the main timeline - sometimes permanently, sometimes temporarily. Thus, history can sometimes change momentarily and then change back (or not). If characters from a very different Hypertimeline move into our own, this accelerates the process, causing more noticeable (but shorter) changes to the timeline (for example when the Titans were visited by their counterparts from The Kingdom, Jesse Quick was briefly replaced by a version who had taken her mother's Liberty Belle identity).
Some fans dislike the concept of hypertime, believing that it undermines the storytelling continuity that adds to their enjoyment of stories set in an ongoing shared universe. Other fans like the concept because it saves stories that they enjoyed from being officially discarded following a retcon which renders them inconsistent with the new continuity.
Other criticism stems from Mark Waid's involvement in the concept. While co-created by Grant Morrison, Waid was the first to use Hypertime in the controversial "The Kingdom" mini-series. Many fans believed Waid was using Hypertime NOT to address assorted continuity problems, but to bring back the Silver Age DC comics that Waid has long held as what he considers to be "good" comics. However, Waid himself was also the first to explicitly use Hypertime to explain continuity errors (when asked about certain characters in JLA: Year One), thereby angering fans who felt it was being used as an excuse for not checking continuity properly.
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