Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlHow? PR Beyonder vs him wasn't spite.
The thread was stupid to begin with. Seems like a spite thread. But I guess since a DC character was on the end of it the spite, it's ok.
Originally posted by bigbranthere are people who talk negativly about marvel, and DC alike, i see what is being said, some people count characters in DC out of any v.s. thread if they are going up against a powerful character in marvel just because marvel's characters are more well-known then DC, where that is concerned it really isnt rite, people should know at least something about the characters on "both" sides before they judge them
It's only overated by some members, that doesn't mean it's overated.
Some members, seriously overate Marvel, does that mean it's overated?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The thread was stupid to begin with. Seems like a spite thread. But I guess since a DC character was on the end of it the spite, it's ok.
The problem stemmed from you popping up and running around like a madman trying to demean the Beyonder.
Your whole argument was based on Mxy erasing the Multi-verse on panel and Beyonder never actually doing it on panel.
We now find out CONCLUSIVELY, that Elseworlds IN FACT, was NEVER Canon.
When Pre-retcon Beyonder existed as such in Marvel, it WAS Canon.
He was ret-conned into something else.
But between May 1984 and November 1986,
Beyonder was EVERYTHING OUTSIDE the Multi-verse
and EVERYTHING INSIDE the Multiverse
From November 1986 to October 1988 he was No longer Everything OUTSIDE or INSIDE the Multiverse. (He became his own Universe)
But he was STILL the MOST powerful being in existence.
(And FOR the RECORD)
Pre-retcon Beyonder did CREATE a UNIVERSE.
A UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN (616) is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean
AND
had it not been for Molecule Man, the Multi-verse would have been erased.
Molecule Man SAVED the Multi-verse
Here are the scans of Beyonder CREATING/BECOMING a UNIVERSE, ON PANEL!!!
"Since the Beyonder's departure there has been UTTER NOTHING"
"A few moments ago, SOMETHING HAPPENED"
"A Portal was Opened from OUR UNIVERSE into the Beyond"
"Molecule Man Opened the Portal, SAVING ALL Existence on HIS SIDE"
Beyonder CREATING/BECOMING a UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN (616) is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean
"Masses form in the Void, Stars, Suns, and Planets...LIFE Arises"
Evolves and Flourishes, within the NEW UNIVERSE begat (brought into existence) by the Beyonder's Power"
Can't believe I overlooked this.
Originally posted by Mr Masterthese should sum it all up!
The problem stemmed from you popping up and running around like a madman trying to demean the Beyonder.Your whole argument was based on Mxy erasing the Multi-verse on panel and Beyonder never actually doing it on panel.
We now find out CONCLUSIVELY, that Elseworlds IN FACT, was NEVER Canon.
When Pre-retcon Beyonder existed as such in Marvel, it WAS Canon.
He was ret-conned into something else.
But between May 1984 and November 1986,
Beyonder was EVERYTHING OUTSIDE the Multi-verse
and EVERYTHING INSIDE the Multiverse
From November 1986 to October 1988 he was No longer Everything OUTSIDE or INSIDE the Multiverse. (He became his own Universe)
But he was STILL the MOST powerful being in existence.
(And FOR the RECORD)
Pre-retcon Beyonder did CREATE a UNIVERSE.
A UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN (616) is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean
AND
had it not been for Molecula Man, the Multi-verse would have been erased.
Molecule Man SAVED the Multi-verse
Here are the scans of Beyonder CREATING/BECOMING a UNIVERSE, ON PANEL!!!
"Since the Beyonder's departure there has been UTTER NOTHING"
"A few moments ago, SOMETHING HAPPENED""A Portal was Opened from OUR UNIVERSE into the Beyond"
"Molecule Man Opened the Portal, SAVING ALL Existence on HIS SIDE"Beyonder CREATING/BECOMING a UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN (616) is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean
"Masses form in the Void, Stars, Suns, and Planets...LIFE Arises"Evolves and Flourishes, within the NEW UNIVERSE begat (brought into existence) by the Beyonder's Power"
Can't believe I overlooked this.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The problem stemmed from you popping up and running around like a madman trying to demean the Beyonder.Your whole argument was based on Mxy erasing the Multi-verse on panel and Beyonder never actually doing it on panel.
We now find out CONCLUSIVELY, that Elseworlds IN FACT, was NEVER Canon.
When Pre-retcon Beyonder existed as such in Marvel, it WAS Canon.
He was ret-conned into something else.
But between May 1984 and November 1986,
Beyonder was EVERYTHING OUTSIDE the Multi-verse
and EVERYTHING INSIDE the Multiverse
From November 1986 to October 1988 he was No longer Everything OUTSIDE or INSIDE the Multiverse. (He became his own Universe)
But he was STILL the MOST powerful being in existence.
(And FOR the RECORD)
Pre-retcon Beyonder did CREATE a UNIVERSE.
A UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN (616) is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean
AND
had it not been for Molecula Man, the Multi-verse would have been erased.
Molecule Man SAVED the Multi-verse
Here are the scans of Beyonder CREATING/BECOMING a UNIVERSE, ON PANEL!!!
"Since the Beyonder's departure there has been UTTER NOTHING"
"A few moments ago, SOMETHING HAPPENED""A Portal was Opened from OUR UNIVERSE into the Beyond"
"Molecule Man Opened the Portal, SAVING ALL Existence on HIS SIDE"Beyonder CREATING/BECOMING a UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN (616) is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean
"Masses form in the Void, Stars, Suns, and Planets...LIFE Arises"Evolves and Flourishes, within the NEW UNIVERSE begat (brought into existence) by the Beyonder's Power"
Can't believe I overlooked this.
And again ur information is wrong. The kingdom was cannon. It was even used in two cannon story arcs in which I posted the book numbers. And the kingdom stated that every single else worlds tale was cannnon. SO no just no. ur wrong. They were cannon and thus making the worlds funnest cannon as well.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And again ur information is wrong. The kingdom was cannon. It was even used in two cannon story arcs in which I posted the book numbers. And the kingdom stated that every single else worlds tale was cannnon. SO no just no. ur wrong. They were cannon and thus making the worlds funnest cannon as well.
Thanks for ignoring most of my post.
The issue with Elseworlds being Canon is DEAD, we ALL SAW with OUR OWN eyes that the Executives at DC consider it NON CANON, fool yourself if you wish.
Now, will you concede that the Beyonder CREATED a UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN (616) is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean?
I showed you the On Panel Evidence, you kept on insisting he never did.
Now, let's see what kind of a man you are,
own up or shut up.
The Kingdom in DC Comics ACCORDING to DC Execs...
The Kingdom is a two-issue comic book limited series and crossover event published by DC Comics in 1999, written by Mark Waid and drawn by Ariel Olivetti/Mike Zeck.
This is both a sequel and, in some ways, prequel to Kingdom Come, also by Mark Waid.
Both books form an Elseworlds saga,
and have nothing to do with the current DC Comics storylines
Elseworlds was ALWAYS NOT CANON, It was IN Elseworlds that Mxy performed the Feat you have come to defend so much.
I'll explain it. I don't like it. But I'll explain it. Before Crisis on Infinite EArths there was multiverse in DC. After Crisis, the multiverse was done away with. Elseworlds was created to be imaginary unreal tales. However, as in continuity there appeared glaring errors when written by Mark Waid, as in using characters that had died, or could not have been here... cause they were there... at the time.. kind of logic... Mark Waid came up with the theory of Hypertime which he inserted in the Kingdom 2 part comic series. In it, Hypertime allows for time to diverge away from itself, but then come back into mainstream reality. Thereby allowing multiple timelines and realities to converge. This is different from the multiverse... which DC had originally as having the same starting point, but a miriad of stories. With Hypertime, the timeline can split off at any point, not just at the beginning, and then, come back. It was explained that if a picture shows a character having a cut on their forefinger, but panels later, its on their thumb instead, that because of these divergent timelines, merging back in, that timelines character and history has remerged with our current continuity... and created a slightly different one. In kingdom it was stated that all stories are real in the sense that they could be real. Not that they are all a part of continuity, but could be a part if the writer to write it to be so. Therefore from 1998 until 2005, Hypertime existed as a means by which if there was a plot "error" that could not be explained well enough, it was done by saying it was a piece of hypertime that caused the converging of timelines. In a sense, that means that anything and everything thats happened, and has ever happened is cannon. However in 2005, the executive editor dan dido stated that Hypertime will not longer be incorporated into DC's architecture, and that it is not needed. Many DC fans and writers found the concept to be improperly applied, as it ended up creating again a new "multiverse" which DC did not want. So in the end, according to Dan Dido, as of Infinite Crisis, all of the hypertime stories are said to be errors in the timestream and hypertime no longer exists.
What that means to us. From 1998 to 2005 it appears that all stories, it was made legitimate by the Assistant Editor Mark Waid that all stories from DC history, all movies, all tv shows, all elseworlds, was cannon.
However as of right now, Hypertime no longer exists, and therefore... the ability of Mr. Mxy has been relegated back to an Elseworld's tale... making it as much a fanciful tale as it is imaginary and illusory. As of right now.. PIS no longer exists in DC. But from 1998-2005, because a dumbass, it did.
Basically Mark Waid would not cop to his errors, and created a scapegoat for himself to get out of it. Because of that the Executive Editor had to step in and remove it.
So. Yes Pre-Retcon. Mr. Mxy was multiversal. As of right now. He's a pipsqueak again.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
He simply say that World Funnest happend before hypertime was invented, and hypertime also ended 2005, which means that Pre-retcon Mxyzptlk was never a part of DC.
not so, according hypertime, every thing from the silver age until hyper time was true. please dont' try to use trickery to make ur point. Mark Waid sait it was all true.
Originally posted by rotiart
I'll explain it. I don't like it. But I'll explain it. Before Crisis on Infinite EArths there was multiverse in DC. After Crisis, the multiverse was done away with. Elseworlds was created to be imaginary unreal tales. However, as in continuity there appeared glaring errors when written by Mark Waid, as in using characters that had died, or could not have been here... cause they were there... at the time.. kind of logic... Mark Waid came up with the theory of Hypertime which he inserted in the Kingdom 2 part comic series. In it, Hypertime allows for time to diverge away from itself, but then come back into mainstream reality. Thereby allowing multiple timelines and realities to converge. This is different from the multiverse... which DC had originally as having the same starting point, but a miriad of stories. With Hypertime, the timeline can split off at any point, not just at the beginning, and then, come back. It was explained that if a picture shows a character having a cut on their forefinger, but panels later, its on their thumb instead, that because of these divergent timelines, merging back in, that timelines character and history has remerged with our current continuity... and created a slightly different one. In kingdom it was stated that all stories are real in the sense that they could be real. Not that they are all a part of continuity, but could be a part if the writer to write it to be so. Therefore from 1998 until 2005, Hypertime existed as a means by which if there was a plot "error" that could not be explained well enough, it was done by saying it was a piece of hypertime that caused the converging of timelines. In a sense, that means that anything and everything thats happened, and has ever happened is cannon. However in 2005, the executive editor dan dido stated that Hypertime will not longer be incorporated into DC's architecture, and that it is not needed. Many DC fans and writers found the concept to be improperly applied, as it ended up creating again a new "multiverse" which DC did not want. So in the end, according to Dan Dido, as of Infinite Crisis, all of the hypertime stories are said to be errors in the timestream and hypertime no longer exists.What that means to us. From 1998 to 2005 it appears that all stories, it was made legitimate by the Assistant Editor Mark Waid that all stories from DC history, all movies, all tv shows, all elseworlds, was cannon.
However as of right now, Hypertime no longer exists, and therefore... the ability of Mr. Mxy has been relegated back to an Elseworld's tale... making it as much a fanciful tale as it is imaginary and illusory. As of right now.. PIS no longer exists in DC. But from 1998-2005, because a dumbass, it did.
Basically Mark Waid would not cop to his errors, and created a scapegoat for himself to get out of it. Because of that the Executive Editor had to step in and remove it.
So. Yes Pre-Retcon. Mr. Mxy was multiversal. As of right now. He's a pipsqueak again.
And there you go with that bull again. YOu always insult the other companies characters to make a point. But ur point is not valid. And if mxy is a pip squeak, the beyonder is an idiot who hallucinates.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
not so, according hypertime, every thing from the silver age until hyper time was true. please dont' try to use trickery to make ur point. Mark Waid sait it was all true.
According to Mark Waid... Assistant Editor..
Its a good thing Dan Dido is Executive Editor in 2005... and removed Hypertime then... isn't it.
For a time all stories... at all points of DC history... whether cannon or noncannon... were cannon due to Hypertime.
Even the Adventures of Lois and Clark... with Dean Cain and that cutie... whatever her name is... is cannon to DC according to Mark.
There's a word for Hypertime. And its the opposite of genius.
