and also mr. master lucifer has been shown erasing all aspects of reality that originally wasnt in his control, shaping that reality as he wishes, and then recreating it in this immage...... even though you like LT you cannot say that it would be a one sided battle in LT's favor, either one of them has a great chance of winning
Originally posted by galan7777777
and also mr. master lucifer has been shown erasing all aspects of reality that originally wasnt in his control, shaping that reality as he wishes, and then recreating it in this immage...... even though you like LT you cannot say that it would be a one sided battle in LT's favor, either one of them has a great chance of winning
Originally posted by galan7777777Weren't you the one who said, he would lose to Phoenix, and second age Spawn?
all u can do is avoid the main question..... you have yet to answer how LT would destroy lucifer, it never ceases to amaze me how quickly lucifer is counted out of these v.s. threads by people who really dont know about his character at all........ and them being the 2nd strongest beings in creation isnt my oppinion, its fact as stated on pannel by yahweh himself 🙂 and death being scared of the beyonder is recognized in your beyonder respect thread, hence you thought it was worthy of recognition 🙂
Originally posted by galan7777777
all u can do is avoid the main question.....
I avoid it, cause you haven't asked it yet 😂
You be buggin out sometimes.
Originally posted by galan7777777
you have yet to answer how LT would destroy lucifer,
I just went through every post on this thread.
I didn't see anyone asking me , "how would LT destroy Lucifer"?
Originally posted by galan7777777
it never ceases to amaze me how quickly lucifer is counted out of these v.s. threads by people who really dont know about his character at all........
I'm no Lucifer expert, but I know just about as much as you know concerning his FEATS.
I could care less about his character, in a VS thread, I'm ONLY interested in his FEATS.
So what do you got for me, besides scaring Death, killing a "beast" and shaping a Universe from Michael's matter?
Originally posted by galan7777777
and them being the 2nd strongest beings in creation isnt my oppinion, its fact as stated on pannel by yahweh himself
I don't care what ANYONE said,
WHAT are his other FEATS besides the ones I mentioned??
Originally posted by galan7777777
and death being scared of the beyonder is recognized in your beyonder respect thread, hence you thought it was worthy of recognition
Not to debate with though.
Like I said, I HAVE NEVER used that as a FEAT for Beyonder in a vs. debate, so, NO, it is NOT worthy of recognition here.
Originally posted by galan7777777
lucifer has been shown erasing all aspects of reality that originally wasnt in his control, shaping that reality as he wishes, and then recreating it in this immage......
"shaping that reality" and "recreating it in this image"...is the same thing.
I know he shaped a Universe into being, with Michael's matter and energy.
Originally posted by galan7777777
even though you like LT you cannot say that it would be a one sided battle in LT's favor,
I never said that.
I said based on FEATS, LT wins.
Originally posted by galan7777777
either one of them has a great chance of winning
I haven't been impressed enough by Lucifer to agree with that.
LT wins.
Originally posted by Mr Masterok, michael only started the "big bang" lucifer is the one that created all the planets, galaxys, and life on them, without lucifer there would have just been a big kaboom lol; so he did a little more then "shape" a universe........ and also im not trying to argue, but what has LT done that is more impressive then what lucifer has done?
I avoid it, cause you haven't asked it yet 😂You be buggin out sometimes.
I just went through every post on this thread.
I didn't see anyone asking me , "how would LT destroy Lucifer"?
I'm no Lucifer expert, but I know just about as much as you know concerning his FEATS.
I could care less about his character, in a VS thread, I'm ONLY interested in his FEATS.
So what do you got for me, besides scaring Death, killing a "beast" and shaping a Universe from Michael's matter?
I don't care what ANYONE said,
WHAT are his other FEATS besides the one's I mentioned??
Not to debate with though.
Like I said, I HAVE NEVER used that as a FEAT for Beyonder, so, NO, it is NOT worthy of recognition here.
Originally posted by galan7777777
ok, michael only started the "big bang" lucifer is the one that created all the planets, galaxys, and life on them, so he did a little more then "shape" a universe........
Nah friend,
Lucifer can't create anything without Michael.
Lucifer molded/shaped Galaxies, Stars, Planets and even life, with Michael's matter and energy.
To Create, means to bring into existence.
The MATTER and ENERGY already existed due to Michael, who really CREATES.
Originally posted by galan7777777
and also im not trying to argue,
Me neither, I know we can have a civil debate. 🙂
Originally posted by galan7777777
but what has LT done that is more impressive then what lucifer has done?
LT turned Silver Surfer into a Universe by himself, as you know.
But that's small time.
LT erased the Infinity Gauntlet affect, and conclusively displayed dominance over the IG
The IG made the Ultimate Nullifier it's b*cth
The UN can Destroy and Remake the Multi-verse in an instant.
What does this all mean?
LT is More Powerful than an ITEM that's More powerful than a Weapon that can ERASE and REBUILD the MULTI-VERSE in the blink of an eye.
So unless Lucifer has Destroyed and Remade the Multiverse,
Or Unless Lucifer has physically OVERPOWERED a being that can do it.
LT wins.
Originally posted by Mr Masteractually lucifer didnt need michael, if u notice in the third book or on the respect thread it says on pannel "lucifer has never MADE a universe before, but he has watched this many times and he is a quick study" this talk of him "needing" michael is just jibberish from this site.....and as u said we can only go by feats, and LT has stopped things capable of destroying/recreating the multiverse, but he has never demonstrated the ability to make more then a universe, just as lucifer
Nah friend,Lucifer can't create anything without Michael.
Lucifer molded/shaped Galaxies, Stars, Planets and even life, with Michael's matter and energy.
To Create, means to bring into existence.
The MATTER and ENERGY already existed due to Michael, who really CREATES.
Me neither, I know we can have a civil debate. 🙂
LT turned Silver Surfer into a Universe by himself, as you know.
But that's small time.
LT erased the Infinity Gauntlet affect, and conclusively displayed dominance over the IG
The IG made the Ultimate Nullifier it's b*cth
The UN can Destroy and Remake the Multi-verse in an instant.
What does this all mean?
LT is More Powerful than an ITEM that's More powerful than a Weapon that can ERASE and REBUILD the MULTI-VERSE in the blink of an eye.
So unless Lucifer has Destroyed and Remade the Multiverse,
Or Unless Lucifer has physically OVERPOWERED a being that can do it.
LT wins.
Originally posted by galan7777777
actually lucifer didnt need michael, if u notice in the third book or on the respect thread it says on pannel "lucifer has never MADE a universe before, but he has watched this many times and he is a quick study"
Which is why you should stick to the comic yourself instead of dealing with respect threads and getting half the story.
Without Michael, NOTHING can be created, since ALL MATTER and ENERGY comes from him:
"And the Power that was in him spilled OUT through the Universe"
Here Uriel says. "the Substance of ANYTHING you see, Stars, Stones, Water..."
"Look close enough and you will see Michael's WILL Working there"
Michael IS the Demiurge...(Power of Creation)
"He writes God's name on EVERY Atom of Existence"
Originally posted by galan7777777
this talk of him "needing" michael is just jibberish from this site
Apparently not.
Originally posted by galan7777777
.....and as u said we can only go by feats, and LT has stopped things capable of destroying/recreating the multiverse, but he has never demonstrated the ability to make more then a universe, just as lucifer
That's not LT's job description. (Creating Universes) that was a gift for the Silver Surfer.
The fact remains that LT has MORE Power than a Weapon that can Destroy and Remake the Multi-verse.
So Lucifer needs FEATS on that level, or he's below LT On Panel.
you dont have proof that he was a universe, just that he was one with everything, that dont mean he was a universe, that can just mean LT made him in tune with everything, something higher then cosmic awerness, and the feats you talk about when you talk about korvac are meaningless cause the things you describe are not on panal, there read between the lines kinda stuff which i dont think is needed, and you never do post the page where LT doubts his power against the IG, and i dont think LT would defeat someone more powerful then the spectre sorry, spectre has greater feats then LT.
Originally posted by Mider999
you dont have proof that he was a universe, just that he was one with everything, that dont mean he was a universe,
Captain Marvel is ONE with EVERYTHING.
I suppose Captain Marvel has "GODHOOD" then: hysterical2
"Would you like a moment of GODHOOD"
Originally posted by Mider999
that can just mean LT made him in tune with everything, something higher then cosmic awerness,
Captain Marvel is ONE with the Universe
And all he has is Cosmic Awareness... hum
Originally posted by Mider999
and the feats you talk about when you talk about korvac are meaningless cause the things you describe are not on panal, there read between the lines kinda stuff which i dont think is needed,
What's really meaningless is your opinion on the matter.
"The Eons-Old Stalemate between Eternity and ME has ENDED.
By MY MACHINATIONS, the UNIVERSE shall be MINE"
"DEATH--Korvac's Unbidden ALLY....
"DEATH--Korvac's UNWANTED MASTER"
This is PLAIN English.
Originally posted by Mider999
and you never do post the page where LT doubts his power against the IG,
Because that only exists in your head.
Go read the comic dude (Warlock and the Infinity Watch #1)
And stop counting on others to fill you in with the wrong information.
mider huh....your known for being an LT hater, you barked up the wrong tree this time youngster.
Originally posted by Mider999
you dont have proof that he was a universe, just that he was one with everything, that dont mean he was a universe,
Living Tribunal transforms Silver Surfer into a Universe
I can SEE him BECOMING...
Can you not SEE his structure changing...he's becoming translucent.
I can SEE him BECOMING...
His FORM is being manipulated...He's becoming LIGHT
I can SEE him BECOMING...
Silver Surfer exploding into a Universe
I can SEE him BECOMING...What does this look like to you?
Silver Surfer ACTUALLY EXPANDING into a UNIVERSE..or technically speaking,
CONNECTING to the INFINITE...
I can SEE he has BECOME...
Originally posted by Mr Masterdont try to teach me about lucifer, i know much more then you do in this subject; and i get none of my info from respect threads i simply said that so u could look at it if u needed to... and the scans you have posted arent the ones dealing with "lucifer making a universe" at no time when he made one does it say that he needed michael or his power, the big bang michael made simply took lucifer to a realm beyond existance where lucifer would be free to create his own universe, so u have really proven nothing with those scans which dont even deal with this event 🙂 and i understand this isnt LT job description, but he has still only "created a single universe" the same as lucifer......and please understand that michael and lucifer are much the same as god and GEB....... they have they same power as one another, but they are just on the opposite side of the coin, and also keep in mind that lucifer has beaten michael in the past 🙂
Which is why you should stick to the comic yourself instead of dealing with respect threads and getting half the story.Without Michael, NOTHING can be created, since ALL MATTER and ENERGY comes from him:
"And the Power that was in him spilled OUT through the Universe"
Here Uriel says. "the Substance of ANYTHING you see, Stars, Stones, Water..."
"Look close enough and you will see Michael's WILL Working there"Michael IS the Demiurge...(Power of Creation)
"He writes God's name on EVERY Atom of Existence"Apparently not.
That's not LT's job description. (Creating Universes) that was a gift for the Silver Surfer.
The fact remains that LT has MORE Power than a Weapon that can Destroy and Remake the Multi-verse.
So Lucifer needs FEATS on that level, or he's below LT On Panel.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Living Tribunal transforms Silver Surfer into a UniverseI can SEE him BECOMING...
Can you not SEE his structure changing...he's becoming translucent.
I can SEE him BECOMING...
His FORM is being manipulated...He's becoming LIGHT
I can SEE him BECOMING...
Silver Surfer exploding into a Universe
I can SEE him BECOMING...What does this look like to you?
Silver Surfer ACTUALLY EXPANDING into a UNIVERSE..or technically speaking,
CONNECTING to the INFINITE...I can SEE he has BECOME...
Originally posted by Skeets
Looks more like LT made him [b]one with the universe not into a universe. [/B]
Captain Marvel is ONE with the Universe
And all he has is Cosmic Awareness... hum
Are you telling me that LT's great Feat was to give the Silver Surfer what Captain Marvel has had since the 70's?
Never knew Captain Marvel had GODHOOD neither.
"Would you like a moment of GODHOOD"
And you might as well ignore this scan again:
Silver Surfer ACTUALLY EXPANDING into a UNIVERSE..or technically speaking,
CONNECTING to the INFINITE...
By the way...
Thanos becoming Eternity during the Infinity Gauntlet series:
The Silver Surfer transformation has much more detail.
Is Thanos one with the Universe, or is he a Universe?
