Lucifer Morningstar v.s. The Living Tribunal

Originally posted by galan7777777
and i understand this isnt LT job description, but he has still only "created a single universe" the same as lucifer......

I'll bare with you

Once again,

Is there any other feat besides creating one Universe, Michael or no Michael?

LT has shown he has the power to create a Universe too.

Now...

LT rased the IG affect.

The IG erased the UN affect.

The UN erased the Multi-verse and then Remade it, in an instant.

Do you understand this logic?

Give me a a feat where Lucifer erases the entire Multi-verse or, Lucifer overpowering a being who can.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Captain Marvel is ONE with the Universe

And all he has is Cosmic Awareness... hum

Are you telling me that LT's great Feat was to give the Silver Surfer what Captain Marvel has had since the 70's?

Never knew Captain Marvel had GODHOOD neither.

"Would you like a moment of GODHOOD"

And you might as well ignore this scan again:

Silver Surfer ACTUALLY EXPANDING into a UNIVERSE..or technically speaking,
CONNECTING to the INFINITE...

By the way...

Thanos becoming Eternity during the Infinity Gauntlet series:

The Silver Surfer transformation has much more detail.

Is Thanos one with the Universe, or is he a Universe?

Let's not fool ourselves:

You even used the Magus,Quasar incident to show that an incomplete gaunlet can control the energies of an item that can rewrite the Multiverse even though the UN wasn't as powerful as it was in the Abraxas arc.

Things change over the years with the Writers you should know that.

Originally posted by Skeets
Again that's you interpretatation of what's happening.

Can you please tell me what this is?

Originally posted by Skeets
Different writers they all don't know what the others know or what they have writen in the past. Such is the case with the Ultimate Nullifier. Before the Abraxas arc the UN was not Mutiversal in power.
You even used the Magus,Quasar incident to show that an incomplete gaunlet can control the energies of an item that can rewrite the Multiverse even though the UN wasn't as powerful as it was in the Abraxas arc.

I told you before, and I'll post every issue in which the UN has been used if you wish.

The UN was activated and it erased ONE individual (well, he erased himself).
(Infinity War #5)

The UN was activated and it erased Galactus, Tyrant and his Ship.
(Silver Surfer #109 v3)

The UN was activated and it erased Eternity (single Universe)
(What if #32 v1)

The UN was activated and it erased the Multi-verse.
(Fantastic Four #49 v3)

All levels of scope have been affected by the UN

And you didn't answer my question:

Originally posted by Skeets
Looks more like LT made him [b]one with the universe not into a universe. [/B]

I responded:

Captain Marvel is ONE with the Universe

And all he has is Cosmic Awareness... hum

Are you telling me that LT's great Feat was to give the Silver Surfer what Captain Marvel has had since the 70's?

Silver Surfer's jolly moment of GODHOOD, is something Captain Marvel has been running around with since back in the day.

By the way being "One with the Universe" is plain english. No matter the writer.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'll bare with you

Once again,

Is there any other feat besides creating one Universe, Michael or no Michael?

LT has shown he has the power to create a Universe too.

Now...

LT rased the IG affect.

The IG erased the UN affect.

The UN erased the Multi-verse and then Remade it, in an instant.

Do you understand this logic?

Give me a a feat where Lucifer erases the entire Multi-verse or, Lucifer overpowering a being who can.

Originally posted by galan7777777
because LT could stop the effects of items that could do this dosent necessarily mean that he could create a multiverse,

Ok, then I have one question.

If,

Man #1 can lift a car,

and

Man #2 can lift a building,

would it not be safe to say, that Man #2 can lift a car aswell?

LT hasn't created a Multi-verse, and never will, because that's not his job, LT is not free spirited like Lucifer, who can decide to create a Universe cause he wants to.

LT's job is to maintain balance in ALL the Multi-verses of Marvel.

So with that I ask you again,

What else has Lucifer done besides creating one Universe?
What else demonstrates his power?

I need to know so we can compare them accurately.

hmmm he mocks death itself whom you say is even greater then LT or has a higher position or something, he can return from even beyond annihilation how would LT kill him, he's outsmarted gods with out powers who knows who he can outsmart with his powers, how do you know he can only create one multiverse cause the presance gave him permission just for one obviously they where used to create the multiverse the brothers i mean.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Ok, then I have one question.

If,

Man #1 can lift a car,

and

Man #2 can lift a building,

would it not be safe to say, that Man #2 can lift a car aswell?

LT hasn't created a Multi-verse, and never will, because that's not his job, LT is not free spirited like Lucifer, who can decide to create a Universe cause he wants to.

LT's job is to maintain balance in ALL the Multi-verses of Marvel.

So with that I ask you again,

What else has Lucifer done besides creating one Universe?
What else demonstrates his power?

I need to know so we can compare them accurately.

ON the flip side, man one lifts a car becuz he has free will and that is all he feels like lifting, when in essence he can lift a continent. We dont know. We do know that Lucifer is a fighter, and smarter than The LT. and The LT cannot harm lucifer becuz lucifer is protected by God's will. We know the Lt can be punked. cuz according to some, the lt was scared of the beyonder. the LT is a punk. he won't even put up a fight. Lucifer will take the spear of destiny or Michaels sword and cut the lt into infinity.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ON the flip side, man one lifts a car becuz he has free will and that is all he feels like lifting, when in essence he can lift a continent.

This is gibberish.

I wasn't referring to Lucifer.

It was a hypothetical analogy concerning what LT is capable of according to what he has done on panel.

Man #1 (UN) can lift a car (Ultimate Nullifier destroying and remaking the Multi-verse)

Man #2 (LT) can lift a building (IG punked the UN and LT is above the IG)

Now is it safe to say Man #2 can lift a car too? (LT should have the power to do what the UN did, but its not in his nature to do so.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
and The LT cannot harm lucifer becuz lucifer is protected by God's will.

Then this thread is pointless, if they are protected by their Supreme Beings and can't be hurt.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
We know the Lt can be punked. cuz according to some, the lt was scared of the beyonder.

Please, do not compare Beyonder to, "LT can be punked"...

Beyonder was the most powerful character ever created by Marvel.

Beyonder could punk anyone.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Lucifer will take the spear of destiny or Michaels sword and cut the lt into infinity.

Meaningless babble.

Your better off making Beyonder hate threads. 😂

Originally posted by Mider999
hmmm he mocks death itself whom you say is even greater then LT or has a higher position or something,

If your going to post, "things I say"...you better be sure you know what I said.

I never said Death is greater than LT.

But Death will survive even if the Multi-verse is erased.

If the Omni-verse was erased, Death would be the last to go, and Oblivion would NEVER die.

Originally posted by Mider999
he can return from even beyond annihilation how would LT kill him,

LT would not kill him.

LT would erase him.

Originally posted by Mider999
he's outsmarted gods with out powers who knows who he can outsmart with his powers,

This means nothing.

Originally posted by Mider999
how do you know he can only create one multiverse

You mean One UNIVERSE.

Because that's all he's done On Panel.

Originally posted by Mider999
cause the presance gave him permission just for one obviously

Interesting...I thought he did it without the Presence's approval.

He's telling his creations to "Worship NO One"

I sincerely doubt, the Presence is backing this kind of blasphemy.

Originally posted by Mider999
they where used to create the multiverse the brothers i mean.

Not On Panel.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ON the flip side, man one lifts a car becuz he has free will and that is all he feels like lifting, when in essence he can lift a continent. We dont know. We do know that Lucifer is a fighter, and smarter than The LT. and The LT cannot harm lucifer becuz lucifer is protected by God's will. We know the Lt can be punked. cuz according to some, the lt was scared of the beyonder. the LT is a punk. he won't even put up a fight. Lucifer will take the spear of destiny or Michaels sword and cut the lt into infinity.

Last time I saw this poster, he said he wouldn't be missed, and would never be back... 😛

In any case, I was say its too "vague" either way.

As far as power goes... I think its been said by many that LT has at a thought created, sealed off, universes... granted enough power to make even Eternity faint!

Lucifer using the power of Michael created 1 universe.. not something he did on his own.

However on the psychological aspect.. LT has been tricked before... and Lucifer was able to show to Spectre True Heaven... and humbled the wrath of God.

As far as pure power goes, LT's been "shown" to display more.

I'd say its like saying who'd win in a race, A 99' ford mustang svt or a 99' acura integra gsr. Ones faster on the straightaway, the others better on turns... It depends on what the terms of battle is.

Its entirely possible for LT to blink out Lucifer... as it would be for Lucifer to trick LT to blinking himself out of existence...

Btw. as far as cars go (I'm asian btw) I'd go with the integra... just saying... 😛

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is gibberish.

I wasn't referring to Lucifer.

It was a hypothetical analogy concerning what LT is capable of according to what he has done on panel.

Man #1 (UN) can lift a car (Ultimate Nullifier destroying and remaking the Multi-verse)

Man #2 (LT) can lift a building (IG punked the UN and LT is above the IG)

Now is it safe to say Man #2 can lift a car too? (LT should have the power to do what the UN did, but its not in his nature to do so.

Some characters dont' punk, no matter who they are faced with. The LT is a punk. I can't see lucifer punking to the beyonder. He would have found a way to beat the beyonder. such is his power. he is the WiLL.

Then this thread is pointless, if they are protected by their Supreme Beings and can't be hurt.

Please, do not compare Beyonder to, "LT can be punked"...

Beyonder was the most powerful character ever created by Marvel.

Beyonder could punk anyone.

Meaningless babble.

Your better off making Beyonder hate threads. 😂

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Lucifer doen'st get punked at all. Some characters dont' get punked. Thanos does not get punked. Darksied does not get punked. THey might be in awe, but never punked. hell even thor and wonder woman never get punked.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
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The LT is a punk. While Lucifer is a not. Lucifer wins on sheer will.

The Lt didn't even try to find a way to beat the beyonder. He was shaking in his yellow tights. You think Lucifer would give in so easily? he would have found a way. He is just that smart.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The LT is a punk. While Lucifer is a not. Lucifer wins on sheer will.

The Lt didn't even try to find a way to beat the beyonder. He was shaking in his yellow tights. You think Lucifer would give in so easily? he would have found a way. He is just that smart.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The LT didnt attack Beyonder due to: Anti-stupid-gutts.
He knew he would get raped and therefore didnt...
It's like saying you bastard to a lawyer, will he do something? prob not.
If you say it to a criminal, will he do something? probobly.
And I think most agree with: Lawyer >> criminal - ingeligence-wise (with this i obviously mean over-all, there are some inteligent criminal's too.)

The LT didnt' even try. Krona was so powerful that he had to be stopped with like 12 artifacts of un imaginable power. and he still survived. The grand master and Metron didnt' punk out. They found a way. That is all I"m saying. To be honest, I can't see the Living tribunal Beating Lucifer. He is too much of a punk, he is not a fighter, and he has no will of his own.

Please no ABC logic it just doesnt work.

Originally posted by Mr Master
If your going to post, "things I say"...you better be sure you know what I said.

I never said Death is greater than LT.

But Death will survive even if the Multi-verse is erased.

If the Omni-verse was erased, Death would be the last to go, and Oblivion would NEVER die.

LT would not kill him.

LT would erase him.

This means nothing.

You mean One UNIVERSE.

Because that's all he's done On Panel.

Interesting...I thought he did it without the Presence's approval.

He's telling his creations to "Worship NO One"

I sincerely doubt, the Presence is backing this kind of blasphemy.

Not On Panel.

2. all LT has done on pannel is create a universe as well (just as lucifer)

3. he is telling his creations to worship no one as a test (just as god tested adam and eve by saying they could not eat the fruit from a "certain tree"😉 when they ended up worshiping him, they were destroyed

4. and he did create a universe with the presences approval, lucifer had always wanted to make a universe, but the presence never allowed him to (he didnt want another creation to rivel his own), untill lucifer helped the presence save michael.... and lucifer was given absolute dominion of his new universe

Originally posted by Mr Master
Ok, then I have one question.

If,

Man #1 can lift a car,

and

Man #2 can lift a building,

would it not be safe to say, that Man #2 can lift a car aswell?

LT hasn't created a Multi-verse, and never will, because that's not his job, LT is not free spirited like Lucifer, who can decide to create a Universe cause he wants to.

LT's job is to maintain balance in ALL the Multi-verses of Marvel.

So with that I ask you again,

What else has Lucifer done besides creating one Universe?
What else demonstrates his power?

I need to know so we can compare them accurately.

Originally posted by galan7777777
1. LT cant erase a being outside of existance, that is impossible.... and lucifer could not erase LT for the same reason

1. For Lucifer it is impossible, if you say.

For the Living Tribunal it is NOT.

LT hangs around OUTSIDE of existence any time he wishes.

Like when he was holding a meeting OUTSIDE of Existence in the 16th DIMENSION, with Eternity, Lord Chaos and Master Order, pertaining to
Owen Reece and his potential.

Originally posted by galan7777777
2. all LT has done on pannel is create a universe as well (just as lucifer)

LT has done MORE than that, so you shouldn't make such claims.

LT's "ace up his sleeve" is his power OVER the Infinity Gauntlet.

Basically whatever the IG can do, LT is beyond that, period.

Originally posted by galan7777777
3. he is telling his creations to worship no one as a test (just as god tested adam and eve by saying they could not eat the fruit from a "certain tree"😉 when they ended up worshiping him, they were destroyed

Where the hell did you get this from? 😕

😆

Originally posted by galan7777777
4. and he did create a universe with the presences approval, lucifer had always wanted to make a universe, but the presence never allowed him to (he didnt want another creation to rivel his own), untill lucifer helped the presence save michael.... and lucifer was given absolute dominion of his new universe

This means nothing.

How does this enhance the Feat in any way?

He created a Universe...Fine.

Cosmic Containment Units can do that.

5 Cosmic Containment Units CREATED a Duplicate 616 Universe.

And CCs are nothing to LT.

(note) nice adaptation on the paragraphical structure I display in posts.

i'm creating little monsters 😮‍💨

Originally posted by galan7777777
well he has warped the timestream, and the fabric of reality itself anyway he sees fit,

Nice feats.

LT can do ALL of that without getting up from his chair.

Originally posted by galan7777777
he has beaten michael whom equals "gods power",

😉 ...hmm, I'll believe you but I don't know, that doesn't sound right

"(michael whom equals "gods power"😉",

I bet there's more to that story.

And I'm reading my Lucifer collection as we speak, I have every issue he ever appeared in... Tell me that issue #, so I can look into it myself.

Originally posted by galan7777777
and killed an "immortal" beast that imprisoned the norse god loki......

This means nothing.

Originally posted by galan7777777
the rest ive told you........

Which meant nothing.

Originally posted by galan7777777
and dont listen to people who dont know that much about lucifer, as ive said he didnt need michaels power to create his universe, and i argue anyone to find where it says he did lol, (its a common misconseption from people that dont actually read lucifer......

hysterical2

Your hilarious. All of a sudden you think you've made an impression.

My children. Your head has gassed up to quickly my boy, you have no position to correct anyone.

Run along now my child...