Originally posted by Dinalfos🤨
There's already a thread that pits Wolverine, Captain AND Daredevil against Spidey. Most agreed that Spidey could take on them all.
most did? that's funny..... the poll said that the trio won... I guess that's just another example of the backwards extremists using their votes to push out and negate the non voting majority.... 😕
Originally posted by DigiMark007Thus, the only way Cap's even going to be able hang with either of these guys is pure PIS. Stalemate for a while? Sure. Cap gets a few good shots in because he's a legend? Probably. But win? 🙄
"cap plays possem letting wolverine and spiderman wear at eachother. as wolverine throws lefts and rights at spidey, cap has backflipped out of the way; taking into account spiderman's ss he throws his sheild as the webslinger is avoiding wolverine's assault... the momentary awareness of danger causes spiderman to try and adapt to the incoming sheild only to get hit by wolverine's claws... as wolvie plunges his claws into the webslinger the sheild as boomeranged it's way back and nails wolverine in the side of the neck; his equilibrium distorted, cap comes in to land well place nerve shot after nerve shot."
I'm not saying cap wins this a majority of the time by any means but to state that any hope of him taking home a victory is purely and simply PIS is a statement that belongs in fantasy land, and I'm not talking about 616. 😬
Originally posted by DigiMark007he's talking about civil war issue 3... spiderman and cap get into it and the last shot we see of their scuffle ends with cap landing a haymaker that's sending spidrman airborn and spread eagle.. thus.. cap had the advantage....
Also, I've only seen 1 battle between Spidey and Cap recently, and it was brief. Where are these "2 victories" you're talking about??
NOW... actually.. I think spiderman would win this fight. While cap has the advantage of strategical awareness, there's no guarantee that the plan he comes up with will go his way, or that do what he wants it to do. He has to keep on his toes not only being aware of incoming attacks from two superhumans but also being prepared to come up with strategies to hit one guy that is very hard to hit, and put another guy down that's very hard to put down....
that said.. wolverine has the virtue of taking punishment more than any other here but cap has proven to be handful for him on several occasions now.. throw in less concentration on cap, another superhuman who's extremely dangerous and powerful and wolverine ain't lookig so hot anymore...
spiderman.. well.. he excells at chaotic fights that are not 1on1's... why? because he's more easily able to use his best asset.. his spider sense.. without thinking or second guessing himself at every move... his every move will be instinctive in this fight he doesn't have to come up with a strategy and he doesn't have to rely on taking abuse for a win he can just dodge dodge dodge.. and neither wolverine or cap will have the focus, comitment, or the mentality to compensate for it now where they were able to in the past. spiderman will win this.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Well, most SANE people anyway.
what exactly is SANE about comic books?
is it the radioactive non cancer inducing spider powers?
or the fact that every buff guy with a talent has to dress up like a mexican wrestler? 😬
Originally posted by thedude1948
So wait he gets beat twice by Cap in Civil War but he can beat Cap Wolverine and Daredevil at the same time? ❌
Originally posted by jinzin
this I'll have to disagree with you on.. due to the chaotic nature of a 3 way fight, and the fact that cap is leagues ahead of both of these guys in terms of strategical thinking, it's not implausible that cap could use strategy to his advantage here... plus there's the problem that while both spidey and wolverine like and respect cap they tend to always bicker and fight with one another at the drop of a hat.. therefore cap could use that to his advantage as well."cap plays possem letting wolverine and spiderman wear at eachother. as wolverine throws lefts and rights at spidey, cap has backflipped out of the way; taking into account spiderman's ss he throws his sheild as the webslinger is avoiding wolverine's assault... the momentary awareness of danger causes spiderman to try and adapt to the incoming sheild only to get hit by wolverine's claws... as wolvie plunges his claws into the webslinger the sheild as boomeranged it's way back and nails wolverine in the side of the neck; his equilibrium distorted, cap comes in to land well place nerve shot after nerve shot."
I'm not saying cap wins this a majority of the time by any means but to state that any hope of him taking home a victory is purely and simply PIS is a statement that belongs in fantasy land, and I'm not talking about 616. 😬
he's talking about civil war issue 3... spiderman and cap get into it and the last shot we see of their scuffle ends with cap landing a haymaker that's sending spidrman airborn and spread eagle.. thus.. cap had the advantage....
NOW... actually.. I think spiderman would win this fight. While cap has the advantage of strategical awareness, there's no guarantee that the plan he comes up with will go his way, or that do what he wants it to do. He has to keep on his toes not only being aware of incoming attacks from two superhumans but also being prepared to come up with strategies to hit one guy that is very hard to hit, and put another guy down that's very hard to put down....
that said.. wolverine has the virtue of taking punishment more than any other here but cap has proven to be handful for him on several occasions now.. throw in less concentration on cap, another superhuman who's extremely dangerous and powerful and wolverine ain't lookig so hot anymore...
spiderman.. well.. he excells at chaotic fights that are not 1on1's... why? because he's more easily able to use his best asset.. his spider sense.. without thinking or second guessing himself at every move... his every move will be instinctive in this fight he doesn't have to come up with a strategy and he doesn't have to rely on taking abuse for a win he can just dodge dodge dodge.. and neither wolverine or cap will have the focus, comitment, or the mentality to compensate for it now where they were able to in the past. spiderman will win this.
We're essentially in agreement here jin. I didn't deny that Cap would hold his own in this fight, but it's painfully obvious that he's the underdog against either of the other two, even accounting for his tactical brilliance.
...and as for the 2 insanely brief (and inconclusive) fights. Pete didn't even try to hurt Cap in their encounter in ASM 534. He tried to neutralize him so that they could talk (or that they could apprehend Cap). He was also ashamed to be fighting him, and was hardly trying.
As for CW #3, I don't really have an answer, but it was 1 punch that probably barely hurt Spidey, and if anyone tries to tell me that they're going to write Cap as anything but a street-level god in CW, they're very wrong.
All of this doesn't cover the fact that Spidey's power set is simply beyond Cap's, to the point where he shouldn't ever lose a full-scale fight against Cap.
P.S. For the record, I voted for the trio. 😉
P.P.S. But I still say Spidey 6/10 in the Wolverine fight....though I realize it's very close and probably depends on the writer.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
We're essentially in agreement here jin. I didn't deny that Cap would hold his own in this fight, but it's painfully obvious that he's the underdog against either of the other two, even accounting for his tactical brilliance.
yes but you DID state that cap could only win through pure PIS.. which isn't at all true... he may be an underdog to SOME extent.. sure, but not to the point where he's a non factor in terms of win percentages in this fight.
He's skilled enough to take good fights to both characters on several occasions and even attain the upperhand on a couple.... he can win here.. it's just not going to happen often.
Originally posted by DigiMark007that's based purely off of speculation.. it was cap that came to talk to spiderman, spiderman attacked him first.. he threw out attacks he just couldn't connect.. nothing in his internal monologue stated how little he was trying against cap but rather how impressive a fighter cap was to him... hell he even acknowledged that cap was a superior combatant and that the only way to beat him was gonna be by "spida style" lol...
...and as for the 2 insanely brief (and inconclusive) fights. Pete didn't even try to hurt Cap in their encounter in ASM 534. He tried to neutralize him so that they could talk (or that they could apprehend Cap). He was also ashamed to be fighting him, and was hardly trying.
Just because spiderman's offensive was ineffective against the living legend doesn't mean he wasn't trying. If more had been left to the imagination on what spidey thought about the fight your speculation might hold more water.. as it stands however your argument does not in light of evidence.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
As for CW #3, I don't really have an answer, but it was 1 punch that probably barely hurt Spidey,
cap's fists alone have put the wrecking crew, rhino, and absorbing man on the recieving end of ass beatings.. spiderman even in his spidey armor doesn't have that kind of durability... let's face it.. the last time cap punched spiderman airborn spiderman saw stars and commented on how powerful the hit was, the last time cap hit spiderman in his iron spidey suit pete went numb from the waist down...
there's very little evidence to say that the punch barely hurt him, especially considering the fact that he was airborn and he was spread eagle when he got nailed.
bullet proof armor is nice and all but it fails to impress when stacked up against a character like cap who has put down several villians with bullet proof costumes or skin via fisticuffs.
Originally posted by DigiMark007spidey is physically superior sure.. but as their fights have proven cap's skill, tactical awareness, cool head, and experience are enough to give spiderman a run for his money and make him think twice about what he was doing.
All of this doesn't cover the fact that Spidey's power set is simply beyond Cap's, to the point where he shouldn't ever lose a full-scale fight against Cap.
Originally posted by DigiMark007as well you should. ✅
P.S. For the record, I voted for the trio. 😉
Originally posted by DigiMark007😠
P.P.S. But I still say Spidey 6/10 in the Wolverine fight
Originally posted by DigiMark007
He tried to neutralize him so that they could talk (or that they could apprehend Cap). He was also ashamed to be fighting him, and was hardly trying.
Is that why Spidey attacked first when Cap was trying to talk to him?
Even if he was ashamed or not trying ( which I dont think he was.) he still admitted he couldnt hang with Cap H2H.
I dont understand why so many people hate on Cap. When Batgirl or Karate Kid beat someone who is "More Powerful" it is because they are skilled, but when Captain America does it is because he has "Jobber Aura"...... 😐
Originally posted by thedude1948
I guess fighting skill only works in DC. In Marvel the guy who can bench more always wins....
no joke.. that's the number one argument for why spiderman wins fights on this board according to most people.. "he's faster and stronger"
it's not always about that.. but they never seem to get it.. (BTW:that's not at you digi).
Originally posted by thedude1948He's beat multiple opponents before. And for the last time, this isn't the comic book, the match speculation was no CIS. 2 members of the trio would die in one hit. The ONLY way Cap is winning is inside of a comic... I can pull numerous examples of Spiderman beating vastly more powerful people.
So wait he gets beat twice by Cap in Civil War but he can beat Cap Wolverine and Daredevil at the same time? ❌