Originally posted by DigiMark007It's only through study of the OT, NT and Greek and Hebrew meanings..............Horrified when I found out that what I believed for so long was not true, It took a lot out of me to see it.
Yeah, dj has been championing this idea for a long time now. I remember a similar thread a year or two ago.
I would stake my eternal soul upon it. And this WAS the hardest thing I did have to overcome all alone here.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Yeah, dj has been championing this idea for a long time now. I remember a similar thread a year or two ago.But yeah, I agree with most of what Urizen said, at least as far as the main theme of Hell not existing (except, of course, as a metaphor and/or state of mind).
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Be careful though. The word "myth" doesn't always mean "false"...we've begun to equate such terms with one another. A myth can simply be a story, and in many cases (as with many religions) a 'myth' is a bridge by which we can come to understand certain truths. The myth itself might be fiction, but it speaks to something beyond itself which is intrinsic to understanding human nature and the truths behind it.
...just a clarification. It's kind of a pet peeve of mine, since many use that word to undermine stories and ideas that might actually have some value (not Hell, but other things...)
I totally agree.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Guys...chill out...[b]No one's going to Hell.....
That's all a bunch of bullshit created centuries ago as a way to inspire fear into people who did not conform to thier authorities....
1) Hell is a total rip off of the Egyptian Underworld, Greek Tarturus, Abaddonn, "Sheol", the Zoroastrian Underworld, and the Hindu "Hell" Mahabharata
2) A Loving God doesn't send his children to Hell....End of Story.
3) Satan is a rip off of Angra Mainu, Hades, Ahriman, Anubis, and Yudhishthira...guys, he don't exist. Get over it. ❌
Over time those in power and those who lived in fear adopted the ideas of Heaven and Hell as a way to define "morality" or societal standards of being. Major Hypocrisy and Contradiction has existed in making distinctions between the two, and as for how to achieve the two.
I bet many of you guys don't even know the History of Hell, and how this Myth has evolved over time. Well....here's some sites that may help shed "light" on the matter:
http://www.conncoll.edu/academics/departments/relstudies/290/iranian/influences/heaven.html
http://hinduism.about.com/library/weekly/aa051401b.htm
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9410/reviews/walls.html
http://www.leaderu.com/ftissues/ft9410/reviews/walls.html
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0156001373?v=glance
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/hell.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell#Christianity
Please check a few of them out before you go making any arguments on this thread....I know many of you Christians beleive you know waht Hell is because of your Bible, but understand that the idea of Hell existed way before the Bible did....The Bible basically adopted Hell as part of its mythos.
I hope most of you are fortunate enough to realize ,some point in your life, that Hell is just a myth, and stop fearing something that doesn't truly exist. Then you may feel a bit more free, and live as a content human being, instead of someone who is always punishing yourself for every mistake you make, as well as condeming everyone else for imaginary "sins". [/B]
Your post is about as credible as that of anyone who believes in hell.
You have no credible argument or 'evidence' to convince me that hell doesn't exist - just the same as the anyone else who believes that it exists.
Having an ''I know all there is to know about devine'' is very Abrahaimic religious attitude.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Your post is about as credible as that of anyone who believes in hell.You have no credible argument or 'evidence' to convince me that hell doesn't exist - just the same as the anyone else who believes that it exists.
Having an ''I know all there is to know about devine'' is very Abrahaimic religious attitude.
I really dislike it when people take the really "it can go anyway attitude."
There is no evidence that hell exists. NONE. Every "evidence" of hell has been disproven over time or has not been found. There is a lot of evidence to discredit religoin and its concepts.
They ("there is hell" and "there is not hell"😉 are NOT on equal footing...not by a longshot.
Originally posted by Alliance
I really dislike it when people take the really "it can go anyway attitude."There is no evidence that hell exists. NONE. Every "evidence" of hell has been disproven over time or has not been found. There is a lot of evidence to discredit religoin and its concepts.
They ("there is hell" and "there is not hell"😉 are NOT on equal footing...not by a longshot.
Just because your idea of hell is limited to what Bible has to say, doesn't mean your attitude can apply to me.
I am not Christian and my beliefs have nothing to do with Christian doctrine - my idea of hell is metaphorical.
For you to claim it exist is ignorant, and arrogant, because a) you dont know what Hell is, and b) all you know is based what Christians told you.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Your post is about as credible as that of anyone who believes in hell.You have no credible argument or 'evidence' to convince me that hell doesn't exist - just the same as the anyone else who believes that it exists.
Having an ''I know all there is to know about devine'' is very Abrahaimic religious attitude.
Why do you believe hell does exist...
Originally posted by Alliance
I really dislike it when people take the really "it can go anyway attitude."There is no evidence that hell exists. NONE. Every "evidence" of hell has been disproven over time or has not been found. There is a lot of evidence to discredit religoin and its concepts.
They ("there is hell" and "there is not hell"😉 are NOT on equal footing...not by a longshot.
The absents of proof is not proof of absents. However, I do not believe in a hell after death. 😛
Originally posted by dark99
Why do you believe hell does exist...
If there is a physical hell, we are in it right now, seeing how the life on this earth is suffering.
Second, hell as a metaphorical idea, is the mind not being at ease, pure or free from worries.
Being constantly tormented with certain ideas or problems would constitute my idea of hell.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
If there is a physical hell, we are in it right now, seeing how the life on this earth is suffering.Second, hell as a metaphorical idea, is the mind not being at ease, pure or free from worries.
Being constantly tormented with certain ideas or problems would constitute my idea of hell.
so everyday you are alive is a hell for you...
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
If there is a physical hell, we are in it right now, seeing how the life on this earth is suffering.
Yes I dont really see a balance between good and evil. A friend of mine once said "In the real world there is no good and evil just varying degrees of evil". I think that was quite cynical but I can see why he said it.
Hell is a concept created to scare people into believing in a certain religion.
If hell exists, and it's as bad as it's said to be, do you think that God would send someone there just for not believing in a specific religion? No matter how good a life the person lived? If God exists, I think he's a bit more reasonable than that.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The absents of proof is not proof of absents. However, I do not believe in a hell after death. 😛
Yes...it is...because in all the mecahnisms of posibility...one more has been eliminated.
That is why the burden of proof lies with the people wh oare trying to prove something....because it is unlikely that people will eliminate every possibility. If there is no evidence...combined with the wonderful knack of religon to be wrong...likelyhood approaches zero.
I could have a 6 month old lemur in purple spandex humping my leg while spitting $100 US bills out of its mouth...
I would say: No. Probability is close to zero and you're jsut making shit up.
Others: Well, I guess its possible.
The "others" argument is stupid. That type of argument is created so people can protect these imaginary places that have been hammered into theri heads throughout their lives.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes I dont really see a balance between good and evil. A friend of mine once said "In the real world there is no good and evil just varying degrees of evil". I think that was quite cynical but I can see why he said it.
This is correct, just as "In the real world there is no good and evil just varying degrees of good" is.
Originally posted by Alliance
Yes...it is...because in all the mecahnisms of posibility...one more has been eliminated.That is why the burden of proof lies with the people wh oare trying to prove something....because it is unlikely that people will eliminate every possibility. If there is no evidence...combined with the wonderful knack of religon to be wrong...likelyhood approaches zero.
I could have a 6 month old lemur in purple spandex humping my leg while spitting $100 US bills out of its mouth...
I would say: No. Probability is close to zero and you're jsut making shit up.
Others: Well, I guess its possible.
The "others" argument is stupid. That type of argument is created so people can protect these imaginary places that have been hammered into theri heads throughout their lives.
The saying "The absents of proof is not proof of absents." is a warning that we cannot prove a negative. No evidence does not prove anything.
Originally posted by Alliance
I really dislike it when people take the really "it can go anyway attitude."There is no evidence that hell exists. NONE. Every "evidence" of hell has been disproven over time or has not been found. There is a lot of evidence to discredit religoin and its concepts.
They ("there is hell" and "there is not hell"😉 are NOT on equal footing...not by a longshot.
If the idea of hell exists, there is more evidence suggesting that it may exist than there is evidence suggesting that it does not. Same for religion and its concepts. There is lack of evidence either way, but the fact that the concept exists is more support than that the absence of anything is a discredit to these ideas. There is no evidence to discredit religion, to be capable of discrediting religious concepts one must be capable of testing the "supernatural" aspects of religion. As to the concepts of most religions, I would say that they teach behaviors that seem to result in good behaviors in the majority of cases, this is typically the result the religions claim these teachings will have. Given this, there is support for the teachings of most religions.
So, I would disagree, there is more supporting evidence for religion than there is for the discrediting of religion, in general.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The saying "The absents of proof is not proof of absents." is a warning that we cannot prove a negative. No evidence does not prove anything.
Absence of proof does nrove prove absence...but it presents yet another trend.
Everything associated with the concept of hell that has been defined by religon has never been proven. I don't accept crazy ideas from way beyond left field as accpetable solutions to unaxplainable problems. You can make up all the crazy stuff you want.
Maybe we all turn into invisibvle grapes when we die.
None of it is credible.
Originally posted by Alliance
Absence of proof does nrove prove absence...but it presents yet another trend.Everything associated with the concept of hell that has been defined by religon has never been proven. I don't accept crazy ideas from way beyond left field as accpetable solutions to unaxplainable problems. You can make up all the crazy stuff you want.
Maybe we all turn into invisibvle grapes when we die.
None of it is credible.
And this is where your problem lies.
Your deffinition of hell is very limited to what Abrahamic religions say. Thus, your claim that that type of hell doesn't exist is another matter. Perhaps still far fetched, since you are assuming what is said is literal.
furthermore, saying that 'Christians see it as literal' is untrue, since not all denominations of Chrstianity see hell as literal - thus overstereotype.
But the argument that 'a hell' doesn't exist, cannot apply to what you are saying. Your deffinition of hell, for one does not match with others, and thus claiming 'hell' doesn't exist is far fetched.