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hopfully idiot vince carter looks to stay involved in the entire game rather than just giving the ball to jefferson and krstic on every single possesion. i strongly feel they could have won game 3 if he did so. he was on fire in the first half...and hopefully the highly favoured ( before the series began) jason kidd can slow down anthony johnson who has been on an absolute tear. the key in this mathup for the nets though...is to stop jermaine o'neal. if they can stop him, everything else will take care of itself. i still take the nets to win the series, just not in the fashion i pictured it before the series began.

sorry, wrong thread.

Originally posted by RZA
Getting back to the MVP thing, the sad truth is Nash wasn't really the MVP on his own team, Shawn Marion led the team in every category except assists. I think any Suns fan would agree with me in thinking where the hell would we be without Marion.

What kind of message would it send to the NBA public in general, media, writers, fans..etc. If Kobe's team ends up winning this series instead of Nash's team. It's kinda funny I mean, who's looking like the real MVP now?

Btw, I'd just like to point out that if Amare were healthy this wouldn't even be a series, but ssshhhh....don't tell a Lakers fan that, you might piss them off.

So, in conclusion yes Nash is a good player, a great player actually but without Marion and Amare and good role players like Diaw, Bell, Barbosa, and Thomas, they Aint Goin No Where!!!

Like i said, before Nash was in phoneix they couldnt win 34 games with Marion AND Amare....with Nash they have had a 60 win season and 50 and that 50 win season came with a completely different suns team and without a real inside threat, Marion numbers have improved because of Nash's play, and Nash make him that much better, he makes his team that much better thus MVP back to back years.....but about Kobe, that guy is playing un****INGbelievable....but i don't know if i can stomach watching another laker/suns game with bill walton rooting on the lakers and trying to tell kobe how to play and phil jackson how to coach, i woulda loved for Thomas to sock his pussyass son right in the face when Luke committed that flagarant, and than see what dickface bill had to say about that

You really shouldnt take Bill Walton so seriously wuTa, he is just there for comedic value. For an ex player its surprising how much he doesnt know about the game. I always picture him sitting there wearing a red nose and clown shoes and that helps me see him for what he is, you should try it.

Originally posted by tanjot
hopfully idiot vince carter looks to stay involved in the entire game rather than just giving the ball to jefferson and krstic on every single possesion. i strongly feel they could have won game 3 if he did so. he was on fire in the first half...and hopefully the highly favoured ( before the series began) jason kidd can slow down anthony johnson who has been on an absolute tear. the key in this mathup for the nets though...is to stop jermaine o'neal. if they can stop him, everything else will take care of itself. i still take the nets to win the series, just not in the fashion i pictured it before the series began.

nets win game 4 in indiana as vince was much more agressive in the fourth quarter and the nets head home for game 5, looking to go up 3-2 in the series.

Dirk is missing way too many open shots. pfft. i dont see them winning this game if dirk doesnt pick his ass up

Originally posted by tanjot
nets win game 4 in indiana as vince was much more agressive in the fourth quarter and the nets head home for game 5, looking to go up 3-2 in the series.

Did you just quote yourself?

dirk hit the three! dallas owns overtime! hahaha ****ing memphis

yea, I felt bad the the griz, they ****ed themselves pretty hard, Miller kept trying to put them away with a couple 3 pointers but he couldnt hit a shot to save his life....Pacers and Nets should have an interesting game 5, i say whoever wins that game is gonna win the series

Originally posted by koolruningz
You really shouldnt take Bill Walton so seriously wuTa, he is just there for comedic value. For an ex player its surprising how much he doesnt know about the game. I always picture him sitting there wearing a red nose and clown shoes and that helps me see him for what he is, you should try it.

i don't take him seriously, i just really really really don't like him and thats funny, when they show him on tv thats exactly what i see, i don't picture the clown shoes tho, i'll have to throw that image in next time they show him

Detroit's getting raped!

yea they did...that game was very hard for me to watch, detriot couldnt stop redd, and the bucks did everything right that game, pistons never turned it on and the bucks never turned it off

Originally posted by wuTa
Like i said, before Nash was in phoneix they couldnt win 34 games with Marion AND Amare....with Nash they have had a 60 win season and 50 and that 50 win season came with a completely different suns team and without a real inside threat, Marion numbers have improved because of Nash's play, and Nash make him that much better, he makes his team that much better thus MVP back to back years.....but about Kobe, that guy is playing un****INGbelievable....but i don't know if i can stomach watching another laker/suns game with bill walton rooting on the lakers and trying to tell kobe how to play and phil jackson how to coach, i woulda loved for Thomas to sock his pussyass son right in the face when Luke committed that flagarant, and than see what dickface bill had to say about that

Did you forget the 02-03 season when they won 44 games and went to the playoffs without Nash, coincidently Amare's 1st year in the league. Coincidence? Yeah right. And that was with Starbury, the big ball hog himself. Marion and Staudemire can't come up with their own shots? Yeah right bullshit!!!

The truth is that Nash's team is comprised of 2 legitimate All-Stars and several proven veteran role players that management has done a great job of fitting in with the rest of the team.

On the other hand look what Kobe has to work with, guys like Smush parker, Sasha whatever, and Ray Turiaf. Ok say it with me, who?

Ok, so wow this Nash led run and gun fun to watch Suns team can win 60, 70, 80 games in the regular season and then be in danger of losing in the 1st rnd to the 7th seed?
What good is that? I'm pretty sure that's not what Suns fans want.

Again, it's gonna be real interesting seeing how this series plays out, Nash may have won the MVP on paper but Kobe's out to prove it on the court and he's managed to do just that thus far in this series.

No doubt Nash makes them a better team but to say that this talented Suns team when healthy can't win 40 or 50 games and be competitive in the playoffs without him is ridiculous. On the other hand take Kobe off that Lakers team and they don't have a chance in hell. They wouldn't be in the playoffs and they wouldn't be up 2-1 with a chance to advance to the second round. I'm sorry folks but if that's not the definition of an MVP then I honestly don't know what is 😐

Originally posted by Smasandian
Did you just quote yourself?

i was referring to my prediction....because it was correct.

Originally posted by RZA
Did you forget the 02-03 season when they won 44 games and went to the playoffs without Nash, coincidently Amare's 1st year in the league. Coincidence? Yeah right. And that was with Starbury, the big ball hog himself. Marion and Staudemire can't come up with their own shots? Yeah right bullshit!!!

The truth is that Nash's team is comprised of 2 legitimate All-Stars and several proven veteran role players that management has done a great job of fitting in with the rest of the team.

On the other hand look what Kobe has to work with, guys like Smush parker, Sasha whatever, and Ray Turiaf. Ok say it with me, who?

Ok, so wow this Nash led run and gun fun to watch Suns team can win 60, 70, 80 games in the regular season and then be in danger of losing in the 1st rnd to the 7th seed?
What good is that? I'm pretty sure that's not what Suns fans want.

Again, it's gonna be real interesting seeing how this series plays out, Nash may have won the MVP on paper but Kobe's out to prove it on the court and he's managed to do just that thus far in this series.

No doubt Nash makes them a better team but to say that this talented Suns team when healthy can't win 40 or 50 games and be competitive in the playoffs without him is ridiculous. On the other hand take Kobe off that Lakers team and they don't have a chance in hell. They wouldn't be in the playoffs and they wouldn't be up 2-1 with a chance to advance to the second round. I'm sorry folks but if that's not the definition of an MVP then I honestly don't know what is 😐

yes, the suns have a ton of role players and two all stars in amare stoudemaire and shawn marion...but with no point guard to lead them and get them the passes when they want them and where they want them...amare would not be averaging 25ppg, and shawn may have been getting the rebounds but would not be getting the easy points he has been getting from nash's passing ability. how many open threes would raja bell have gotten without nash on the floor?? exactly, not much. nash's passing ability is what makes him such a threat to score...when i was watching the 3rd quarter of suns@lakers game yesturday, nash got two wide open layups within two minutes because everyone is guarding the players without the ball because they are aware of his passign ability. steve nash takes good shots where as kobe will shoot a fadeaway three pointer while getting quadraple teamed and makes it, so that makes him the mvp???

Originally posted by tanjot
yes, the suns have a ton of role players and two all stars in amare stoudemaire and shawn marion...but with no point guard to lead them and get them the passes when they want them and where they want them...amare would not be averaging 25ppg, and shawn may have been getting the rebounds but would not be getting the easy points he has been getting from nash's passing ability. how many open threes would raja bell have gotten without nash on the floor?? exactly, not much. nash's passing ability is what makes him such a threat to score...when i was watching the 3rd quarter of suns@lakers game yesturday, nash got two wide open layups within two minutes because everyone is guarding the players without the ball because they are aware of his passign ability. steve nash takes good shots where as kobe will shoot a fadeaway three pointer while getting quadraple teamed and makes it, so that makes him the mvp???

lmao. that doesnt?

^^LOL 😆 Yeah, that definitely doesn't make him worthy of being MVP. It's funny I remember a guy named Jordan who use to do that and he won it almost every time. Hmm....go figure.

Besides Tanjot, if you've actually been watching this series you'll know that Kobe is getting his teammates involved as well. But I guess you must be too busy worshipping Vince to pay attention.

Originally posted by RZA
Did you forget the 02-03 season when they won 44 games and went to the playoffs without Nash, coincidently Amare's 1st year in the league. Coincidence? Yeah right. And that was with Starbury, the big ball hog himself. Marion and Staudemire can't come up with their own shots? Yeah right bullshit!!!

The truth is that Nash's team is comprised of 2 legitimate All-Stars and several proven veteran role players that management has done a great job of fitting in with the rest of the team.

On the other hand look what Kobe has to work with, guys like Smush parker, Sasha whatever, and Ray Turiaf. Ok say it with me, who?

Ok, so wow this Nash led run and gun fun to watch Suns team can win 60, 70, 80 games in the regular season and then be in danger of losing in the 1st rnd to the 7th seed?
What good is that? I'm pretty sure that's not what Suns fans want.

Again, it's gonna be real interesting seeing how this series plays out, Nash may have won the MVP on paper but Kobe's out to prove it on the court and he's managed to do just that thus far in this series.

No doubt Nash makes them a better team but to say that this talented Suns team when healthy can't win 40 or 50 games and be competitive in the playoffs without him is ridiculous. On the other hand take Kobe off that Lakers team and they don't have a chance in hell. They wouldn't be in the playoffs and they wouldn't be up 2-1 with a chance to advance to the second round. I'm sorry folks but if that's not the definition of an MVP then I honestly don't know what is 😐

look at amare's and marions number with Nash than without him, there numbers are up because of him plain and simple, you take nash off phoenix and yes they will be lucky to get a 6th spot in the playoffsm you said it yourself, Nash makes the team better, and Amare and Marion are all-star players no doubt but there was no Amare this year, Nash had a less talented team this year thus he his numbers went up in every category, and you're giving more credit to managament than nash, are you serious?.......if Kobe played like he is playing now for the whole season there than there would be no doubt who would be the MVP, but he didn't and kobe has some good role players too, you named the scrubs but you failed to mention lamar odom who when he;s on can spread the defense and kwame who is finally coming around to establish himself as an inside threat, and lets not forget about the lakers coach, this is his stratedgy, and kobe is finally playing into it and even tho lakers are up 2-1 the series isnt over yet, althought you seemed to be convinced it is

Originally posted by wuTa
look at amare's and marions number with Nash than without him, there numbers are up because of him plain and simple, you take nash off phoenix and yes they will be lucky to get a 6th spot in the playoffsm you said it yourself, Nash makes the team better, and Amare and Marion are all-star players no doubt but there was no Amare this year, Nash had a less talented team this year thus he his numbers went up in every category, and you're giving more credit to managament than nash, are you serious?.......if Kobe played like he is playing now for the whole season there than there would be no doubt who would be the MVP, but he didn't and kobe has some good role players too, you named the scrubs but you failed to mention lamar odom who when he;s on can spread the defense and kwame who is finally coming around to establish himself as an inside threat, and lets not forget about the lakers coach, this is his stratedgy, and kobe is finally playing into it and even tho lakers are up 2-1 the series isnt over yet, althought you seemed to be convinced it is

Lamar Odom and Kwame Brown both = the definition of inconsistency. If you looked up the word inconsistency in the dictionary their pictures would be right there, especially Kwame who's never lived up to his 1st pick draft status even now. Lamar with all his skills and talent has never, to my knowledge, been an All-Star. Some times his presence is felt and yet at other times he's invisible. You can't seriously compare them against Marion and Staudemire.

As far as the role players Nash has around him, Eddie House and Barbosa have been consistent scorers ever since they came into the league. Bell and Thomas have both been consistent defenders. The only one you can make an argument for is Diaw and the only reason why no one's ever heard of him is because he played in the NBA's version of Siberia (Atlanta). But there's no question he's a skilled and talented player and a big reason for their success this year.

Btw, you're right I purposely left out some other big veteran Laker names Brian Cook, Chris Mihm and Luke Walton. 🙄

If this Lakers team was comprised of players like Ron Harper, Robert Horry, Rick Fox and Vlade, then you would definitely have a valid argument but as it stands now to compare these current two teams, there's just just no contest! Phoenix has a better team.

The Laker's supporting cast is comprised of underachievers who are over achieving and playing with a lot of confidence right now. Not all of that credit goes to Kobe of course, Jackson has had a lot to do with it as well but it doesn't hurt to play along side arguably the best player in the NBA this season. Playing along side greatness gives other players around him the confidence that they can win any game, just like it must have felt playing along side #23.

So in conclusion, yes Nash was deserving but my point is there were 3 people ahead of him the season who were more deserving. Can you honestly say Dirk wasn't deserving?

Bulls win!!!!Yes!!!!!

I like to root for the underdog sometimes 🙂