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Originally posted by Lord Evolution
If the spurs knew it was win or go home then yeah....

it doesnt matter if they know it is win or go home or not. they treat every playoff game like they have to win it in order to move on. its just, sometimes the momentum or shooting touch is not there. sometimes, a team doesnt play there best, simply because of an off night. win or go home doesnt have much to do with it. teams always play their hardest, but that doesnt mean they always win.

For example, i consider the spurs to be better than the mavs. thats just my opinion, but in the playoffs they squared up in game 7, all tied up, in the SPURS home court. now they knew that it was win or go home, but they still lost. does that mean that i change my mind, and say that the mavs are better? no, because its one game. do you understand that ONE FREAKIN game shouldnt determine who you think is better. so, if the raptors beat the spurs by 6 points in one "win or go home" game, you would think that the raptors are better. that is just complete nonsense, and if you say so, i dont know how im going to convince you that the US was better than Greece. its like trying to convince you that 1+1=2 instead of 3. everybody has to know the elements and basics behind basketball in order to have an argument about something. but if your logic is equivalent to 1+1=3, than i simply cannot argue with you because your never going to fully understand what im saying. unless, the raptors and spurs switched rosters, i dont know how you can say that the raptors are better. they're just not. they have a worse record, worse chemistry, worse leadership, worse coaching staff, worse management, and above all: worse players! so, how can you possibly say that there better? just because they beat the spurs in one, what you dwell on so much, "win or go home" game. thats not right. as ive said about a million times to you, its not about who wins 1 game, its about who wins more games more consistently. and you somehow cant understand that, and if you cant, whats the point of arguing? we're going nowhere.

so, its been nice debating with you, as we are killing some time in this sluggish offseason, but at the same time, arguing with you is like arguing with a squirrel (no offense). what i mean is we have totally different views of the game, therefore it is meaningless to argue.

Originally posted by RecSpecs110
it doesnt matter if they know it is win or go home or not. they treat every playoff game like they have to win it in order to move on. its just, sometimes the momentum or shooting touch is not there. sometimes, a team doesnt play there best, simply because of an off night. win or go home doesnt have much to do with it. teams always play their hardest, but that doesnt mean they always win.

For example, i consider the spurs to be better than the mavs. thats just my opinion, but in the playoffs they squared up in game 7, all tied up, in the SPURS home court. now they knew that it was win or go home, but they still lost. does that mean that i change my mind, and say that the mavs are better? no, because its one game. do you understand that ONE FREAKIN game shouldnt determine who you think is better. so, if the raptors beat the spurs by 6 points in one "win or go home" game, you would think that the raptors are better. that is just complete nonsense, and if you say so, i dont know how im going to convince you that the US was better than Greece. its like trying to convince you that 1+1=2 instead of 3. everybody has to know the elements and basics behind basketball in order to have an argument about something. but if your logic is equivalent to 1+1=3, than i simply cannot argue with you because your never going to fully understand what im saying. unless, the raptors and spurs switched rosters, i dont know how you can say that the raptors are better. they're just not. they have a worse record, worse chemistry, worse leadership, worse coaching staff, worse management, and above all: worse players! so, how can you possibly say that there better? just because they beat the spurs in one, what you dwell on so much, "win or go home" game. thats not right. as ive said about a million times to you, its not about who wins 1 game, its about who wins more games more consistently. and you somehow cant understand that, and if you cant, whats the point of arguing? we're going nowhere.

so, its been nice debating with you, as we are killing some time in this sluggish offseason, but at the same time, arguing with you is like arguing with a squirrel (no offense). what i mean is we have totally different views of the game, therefore it is meaningless to argue.

sorry i had to stop reading that bullshit post halfway through..lol. you do realize you just contradicted yourself. you say that a 7 game series can only determine who is better but then you turn around and say the spurs are better even tho the mavs beat them in a 7 game series.............WOW you truly are a dumbass. Did you even think abut what you just said. No the Spurs were not better than the mavs and no the US was not better than Greece. we would go somewhere if you would stop bringin up dumb ass statements. your not goin to convince anyone to change their mind when your contradicting yourself every other post. you remind me of Timmy from south park...in so many ways.

Wow, now i really know how much of an imbecile you are. Whats your IQ? -22? I wasnt talking about the series, you moron, i was talking about the GAME. the mavs beat the spurs in GAME 7, i didnt mention SERIES in that post. I only did this because your so obsessed with "win or go home" games. Anyway, I meant that 7 game series USUALLY determine the better team. i think i even used that word in a post. but it doesnt matter, because anybody with half a brain would know that i meant USUALLY. but of course i have to spell everything out for you. obviously, a 7 game series CAN turn unexpected. that happens sometimes. thats why we have the term "upset." i used a 7 game series to say that it has a better chance of determining the better team than just 1 game. i didnt say that a 7 game series is the only determining factor. if there were 10 game series, than those would be better than the 7 games.

i never implied that the spurs are MUCH better than the mavs, between them is a close race. thats why it took them 7 games to finish it. im just saying coaching wise, experience wise, chemistry wise, leadership wise, and player wise, the spurs are better.

Oh, and im the one who's the dumbass who contradicts himself. Just look at yourself you mindless donkey. Your the one who said, "USA basketball has nothing to do with the NBA," after you created a whole new thread for just that. your the one who doesnt think about chemistry or any of the intangible factors in basketball. all you say is,"oh the best team would obviously be all the allstars like kobe, lebron, iverson, etc." Your the one who's implying that the raptors have the potential to be better than the spurs by beating them once. oh yeah, by your stupid logic, the phoenix suns are better than the spurs because in the playoffs last year phoenix was about to be swept in 4 games, but they won the fourth game, which was a "win or go home" game, so by your standards they're better than the spurs.

i tried to reason with you, but all you did was forget everything essential i said and make some idiotic nonsense of your own to say back. at the end of the last post i said," it was nice to debate with you." see i even try to be a little nice, but obviously you take this forum so seriously and emotionally that it means so much to you to get back at me with a stupid comment, and try to make me feel bad. well you barely phased me with that comment, because its like having a dog insult you. yeah, I may have made a SMALL contradiction by not saying "usually" but normal people get what im saying. And my small contradiction is nothing compared to your HUGE and MULTIPLE contradictions. So, who's the one making this argument pointless, huh? The one thats trying to straighten a very crooked argument, or the stubborn jackass who seems to be talking nonsense in order to get attention? You tell me.

Originally posted by RecSpecs110
Wow, now i really know how much of an imbecile you are. Whats your IQ? -22? I wasnt talking about the series, you moron, i was talking about the GAME. the mavs beat the spurs in GAME 7, i didnt mention SERIES in that post. I only did this because your so obsessed with "win or go home" games. Anyway, I meant that 7 game series USUALLY determine the better team. i think i even used that word in a post. but it doesnt matter, because anybody with half a brain would know that i meant USUALLY. but of course i have to spell everything out for you. obviously, a 7 game series CAN turn unexpected. that happens sometimes. thats why we have the term "upset." i used a 7 game series to say that it has a better chance of determining the better team than just 1 game. i didnt say that a 7 game series is the only determining factor. if there were 10 game series, than those would be better than the 7 games.

i never implied that the spurs are MUCH better than the mavs, between them is a close race. thats why it took them 7 games to finish it. im just saying coaching wise, experience wise, chemistry wise, leadership wise, and player wise, the spurs are better.

Oh, and im the one who's the dumbass who contradicts himself. Just look at yourself you mindless donkey. Your the one who said, "USA basketball has nothing to do with the NBA," after you created a whole new thread for just that. your the one who doesnt think about chemistry or any of the intangible factors in basketball. all you say is,"oh the best team would obviously be all the allstars like kobe, lebron, iverson, etc." Your the one who's implying that the raptors have the potential to be better than the spurs by beating them once. oh yeah, by your stupid logic, the phoenix suns are better than the spurs because in the playoffs last year phoenix was about to be swept in 4 games, but they won the fourth game, which was a "win or go home" game, so by your standards they're better than the spurs.

i tried to reason with you, but all you did was forget everything essential i said and make some idiotic nonsense of your own to say back. at the end of the last post i said," it was nice to debate with you." see i even try to be a little nice, but obviously you take this forum so seriously and emotionally that it means so much to you to get back at me with a stupid comment, and try to make me feel bad. well you barely phased me with that comment, because its like having a dog insult you. yeah, I may have made a SMALL contradiction by not saying "usually" but normal people get what im saying. And my small contradiction is nothing compared to your HUGE and MULTIPLE contradictions. So, who's the one making this argument pointless, huh? The one thats trying to straighten a very crooked argument, or the stubborn jackass who seems to be talking nonsense in order to get attention? You tell me.

damn YOU JUST WROTE AN ESSAY, i hope you seriously dont expect anyone to read that...

that was a bad example to use the spurs and mavs as an example since it was a 7 game series....minor contradiction???? in every single post you been sayin only a 7 game series can determine who is better...then you turn around and say that the spurs were better even though they were beat in a 7 GAME SERIES. minor contradiction??? ummm NOOOOOOOO just admit it, you have no idea what your talking about, i seriously think its just best for everybody in the forum to just start ignorin your post.

how many times do i have to say USUALLY better. you still dont get it, and thats why you dont know what you're talking about. "USA basketball has nothing to do with the NBA" hey man, your stupidity speaks for itself.

other people ignore me? at least i make sense. at least i dont make myself look dumber by accusing others of contradicting themselves when i do it more. i think you should go and stay in a different thread cuz you obviously know nothing about basketball or common sense in general.

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Originally posted by RecSpecs110

7 game series make sure that the BEST team wins .

where did you say usually????

Originally posted by RecSpecs110

For example, i consider the spurs to be better than the mavs. thats just my opinion, but in the playoffs they squared up in game 7, all tied up, in the SPURS home court. now they knew that it was win or go home, but they still lost. does that mean that i change my mind, and say that the mavs are better? no, because its one game. do you understand that ONE FREAKIN game shouldnt determine who you think is better.

Originally posted by RecSpecs110

7 game series make sure that the BEST team wins.

theres that contradiction. what a fool... SMH @ YOU. the evidence is right in front of all of our eyes

first of all, why did you quote the first quote twice?

i didnt really contradict myself. i said that they lost THAT GAME, only focusing on that game, not the series. hey, can you read? in that 2nd quote, is the word "series" up there? exactly.

wtf!!!!! your dumb dawg....SMH even harder @ you. the spurs vs mavs was a playoffs series. a playoffs series that the mavs won. it wasnt just one game so for you to even bring that up is just plain ol' retarded

i know it was a series you deaf hag. but for the 10,000,000th time...i wasnt talking about the series, i was talking about the game. my main focus is that the spurs lost the game, a "win or go home" game, and what im trying to say is that the loss, whether it was a "win or go home" game or not does not convince me that the mavs are better.

look, just admit it, your just trying make an issue out of nothing. If i didnt say "usually," then i meant it ok? i just forgot to add 1 word, and your treating it like i lied to oath or something. do you want to argue with me about self-contradiction Mr. "USA basketball has nothing to do with the NBA" this is getting old, and you're further proving how bone headed you are. im not replying to you anymore. sigh, if only there were less people out there with the aptitude of a rat.

Ok guys i know we're all a little stressed because the season seems to be a long way away, but lets just calm down a little.
I dont even remember tanjot getting into the insults like you two and thats saying something (although i did have to chuckle at "deaf hag"😉.
Lets just start up a new topic like predictions for the upcoming season, players that might play well on new teams, teams that have gotten alot better, best free agent signings and such. We've done this for the last couple of years and its always fun to revisit our predictions as the season progresses.

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Originally posted by RecSpecs110
i know it was a series you deaf hag. but for the 10,000,000th time...i wasnt talking about the series, i was talking about the game. my main focus is that the spurs lost the game, a "win or go home" game, and what im trying to say is that the loss, whether it was a "win or go home" game or not does not convince me that the mavs are better.

look, just admit it, your just trying make an issue out of nothing. If i didnt say "usually," then i meant it ok? i just forgot to add 1 word, and your treating it like i lied to oath or something. do you want to argue with me about self-contradiction Mr. "USA basketball has nothing to do with the NBA" this is getting old, and you're further proving how bone headed you are. im not replying to you anymore. sigh, if only there were less people out there with the aptitude of a rat.

nooooooo. what should convince you that the mavs are better is the fact they beat the damn spurs in a 7 game series. your just plain ol' retarded, why the hell werent the mavs better???? if them gettin beat by the mavs in a 7 game series doesnt convince you that they are better then you have to be stubbornest person i have ever met, more after the fact that you just said that a 7 game series are the determining factor in findin out who is better...i mean god damn....how is one suppose to chat with someone so...someone so...pigheaded.

lol, i have to admit, i was lmao at the deaf hag comment. 💃 😂 😆 ...so cruel

Originally posted by koolruningz
Ok guys i know we're all a little stressed because the season seems to be a long way away, but lets just calm down a little.
I dont even remember tanjot getting into the insults like you two and thats saying something (although i did have to chuckle at "deaf hag"😉.
Lets just start up a new topic like predictions for the upcoming season, players that might play well on new teams, teams that have gotten alot better, best free agent signings and such. We've done this for the last couple of years and its always fun to revisit our predictions as the season progresses.

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thank god your here. at least there's one other sane person in this thread that i can chat with. i called him a deaf hag because he doesnt listen to anything i say...and i mean ANYTHING...and then what he does is make up something really stupid to say. i mean how can you argue with someone who thinks "stubbornest" is a word, i mean good god what did this guy get held back 7 years in school or something? anyway, im not talking to him anymore. so he can say whatever crap comments he wants to.

i think the bulls are much better this coming season with big ben and some good draft choices. they are now a contender, what do you think kool? oh yeah, and what do you think about the new ball the league is using now?

😂 I gotta admit Koolz watching these 2 go at it was quite entertaining there for a minute, especially since it's slow right now with the season being about 2 months away. I was just waiting to see how many pages it would go.

Anyway, I hope you 2 got it out of your systems and in an effort to get this thread back on track...

Yes, I think the Bulls will be much improved this season. If they can stay healthy I don't think there will be many teams in the East that will be looking forward to facing them in the playoffs. Remember how hard they played against the Heat in their series last season without Ben.

Also, the 'Wacky Wild West' is again IMO the conference to keep an eye on. I think there will be some changes in this upcoming season's 8 western playoff spots. Some teams are improved and some are still as good as before so it will be interesting to see how the West shapes up. I still say keep an eye on GS, with Nelly coming in and possibly righting the ship I think they have the talent to possibly challenge for at least an 8th spot but that means one of the favorites from last year will be left out. In any case this should be prove to be the most competitive conference once again, with good over .500 teams prob being left out of the playoffs once again. Should be fun to watch.
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what about the suns? amare's coming back right? because they really missed him last season, i think they could have made it to the finals with him, who knows. the raptors also did pretty well this offseason, but do think they're playoff material? i just dont think they have that nucleus, that 1-2 punch in them. its chris bosh, and then a lot of shooters, and i just dont see the raptors as a built team.

and the mavs just improved a lot with the additions of croshere, aj, and devean george. they got some more good perimeter shooters and a nice backup point. i see the mavs going back to the finals if they have a good season together.

I really like the moves that the Bulls made, they were already a great defensive team and now with Wallace on the team they will be formidable on that end of the floor. Offensively i still think they will be perimeter oriented which might be a stumbling block in the playoffs.

The Hornets made some nice strides to but not enough to really make a decent playoff run. I think with Peja they will get some valuable outside scoring that they lacked last season and Chandler will give them a shot blocking presence, that alone will probably be enough to see them into the playoffs but not far.

The Suns getting Amare back will be interesting. I dont expect him to ever get back to the level he was athletically (which would be a shame because he was fun to watch) but he is a very hard worker and i bet he comes back with some post moves and an outside jumper. The addition of Marcus Banks is a real asset for them because he is one of the top PG defenders in the league, he is also extremely fast and should fit right in with their fast break style. It also gives them a chance to cut down Nash's minutes and rest his back.

I like the moves my Lakers made and they addressed some of the glaring weaknesses from last season. I would have liked to see them add some more defenders but our main problem was lack of shooters, Vlad Rad and Williams will help in that department. Another year playing the triangle offense will see some improvements in the "triangle virgins" (which was basically the whole team) and when the triangle is run properly the results speak for themselves. I wasnt too keen on the drafting of Jordan Farmar (i wanted Maurice Ager) but after reading about his performances in the summer league and how quickly he grasped the offense i am now a believer. This kid is a smart player that knows how to run a team, im looking forward to seeing how the combo of Farmar and Bynum work in years to come. Maurice Evans gives us a tough SG who will allow Kobe to get more rest, he is a solid defender and can hit the three pretty consistently. The one position im not fully confident in is PF, Lamar will probably start there for us but i would prefer to have a shot blocker there and have Lamar at SF. I like having 3 centers though, it reminds me of the Bulls under Jackson who always had plenty of depth there. Kobe should be fully healthy this year after having the scar tissue removed from his knee, im looking forward to seeing what he can do on 2 healthy knees and playing team ball now the other guys have got the offense down.

Wow, i really got carried away there, still so many improved teams to talk about. I think the Blazers have made huge strides in the offseason and had a great draft, it might take a couple of season to really see the benefits though. The Raptors are another team that looks alot better on paper and im looking forward to seeing what Anthony Parker can do in the NBA.

Still to early to pick a champ or anything like that because we have yet to see how these teams will gel, but i would be amazed if the Heat repeat. They were old last year and most of those vets are back again, Wade no doubt will get them far but i dont see them going all the way.

Originally posted by koolruningz
I really like the moves that the Bulls made, they were already a great defensive team and now with Wallace on the team they will be formidable on that end of the floor. Offensively i still think they will be perimeter oriented which might be a stumbling block in the playoffs.

The Hornets made some nice strides to but not enough to really make a decent playoff run. I think with Peja they will get some valuable outside scoring that they lacked last season and Chandler will give them a shot blocking presence, that alone will probably be enough to see them into the playoffs but not far.

The Suns getting Amare back will be interesting. I dont expect him to ever get back to the level he was athletically (which would be a shame because he was fun to watch) but he is a very hard worker and i bet he comes back with some post moves and an outside jumper. The addition of Marcus Banks is a real asset for them because he is one of the top PG defenders in the league, he is also extremely fast and should fit right in with their fast break style. It also gives them a chance to cut down Nash's minutes and rest his back.

I like the moves my Lakers made and they addressed some of the glaring weaknesses from last season. I would have liked to see them add some more defenders but our main problem was lack of shooters, Vlad Rad and Williams will help in that department. Another year playing the triangle offense will see some improvements in the "triangle virgins" (which was basically the whole team) and when the triangle is run properly the results speak for themselves. I wasnt too keen on the drafting of Jordan Farmar (i wanted Maurice Ager) but after reading about his performances in the summer league and how quickly he grasped the offense i am now a believer. This kid is a smart player that knows how to run a team, im looking forward to seeing how the combo of Farmar and Bynum work in years to come. Maurice Evans gives us a tough SG who will allow Kobe to get more rest, he is a solid defender and can hit the three pretty consistently. The one position im not fully confident in is PF, Lamar will probably start there for us but i would prefer to have a shot blocker there and have Lamar at SF. I like having 3 centers though, it reminds me of the Bulls under Jackson who always had plenty of depth there. Kobe should be fully healthy this year after having the scar tissue removed from his knee, im looking forward to seeing what he can do on 2 healthy knees and playing team ball now the other guys have got the offense down.

Wow, i really got carried away there, still so many improved teams to talk about. I think the Blazers have made huge strides in the offseason and had a great draft, it might take a couple of season to really see the benefits though. The Raptors are another team that looks alot better on paper and im looking forward to seeing what Anthony Parker can do in the NBA.

Still to early to pick a champ or anything like that because we have yet to see how these teams will gel, but i would be amazed if the Heat repeat. They were old last year and most of those vets are back again, Wade no doubt will get them far but i dont see them going all the way.

LOL you sho did, but its koo because we with the lakers. i was hoping for a trade, Kg for Kwame and Odom, but i see that isnt gonna happen. Farmar- i didnt like him at UCLA, mainly because im a USC guy but i watched him all last season and i like what the kids got. He isnt much of a tempo pucher point guard but he will do. Bynum- he better get started while people still think he can be the next Shaq. I didnt watch the draft but could the Lakers have drafted Marcus Williams??? i think he would be perfect with us. Loved him at Uconn.

HA! Marcus Williams was picked by my nets. Rod Thorn was clever to get Josh Boone and Marcus, two powerful additions, with 22nd and 23rd picks. but ultimately im so glad that jason kidd finally has a backup point now. he can now actually get some rest, and hes not getting any younger. but teams like atlanta, portland, toronto, they get really good draft picks beacuse they all are bad teams, but they can never really utilize them well. i guess thats what really separates good teams and organizations from bad ones. the good ones are able to take no name players like boris diaw and ben wallace and transform them into perrenial allstars. the lakers might be strong enough for another playoff run, but its gonna be tough for them. the west got a lot stronger, and the fight for playoff position is gonna get more competitve.

Originally posted by Lord Evolution
LOL you sho did, but its koo because we with the lakers. i was hoping for a trade, Kg for Kwame and Odom, but i see that isnt gonna happen. Farmar- i didnt like him at UCLA, mainly because im a USC guy but i watched him all last season and i like what the kids got. He isnt much of a tempo pucher point guard but he will do. Bynum- he better get started while people still think he can be the next Shaq. I didnt watch the draft but could the Lakers have drafted Marcus Williams??? i think he would be perfect with us. Loved him at Uconn.

Good to have another Laker fan on board for the upcoming season. 😄

Marcus Williams might be a more exciting PG but Farmar fits Phil Jacksons system alot better. He's only young but he has an old head on his shoulders, he doesnt force anything and moves well without the ball which most NBA players have forgotten how to do. He is still inconsistent from outside but he is a real hard worker and from what i've been reading he has been in the gym all summer working on his weaknesses. He doesnt show his athleticism off much in his game but he does have a 42" vertical so he can get up when he wants. Trust me this kid is gonna be our future PG.
As for Bynum he is never gonna be Shaq, remember when Shaq came out of LSU? The guy was so explosive it was unfair, just dunking on everyone. Bynum is more of a low post scorer like Kareem and Duncan, once he gets his moves down he will be fine. He works with Kareem daily so he is learning what it takes and if you want to learn the good fundamentals of the center position there is no better teacher than Kareem. Also remember that Bynum is only 18, he will be a good center but he needs time to first grow into his body and then learn how to use his size. At the moment he is 7'1 280lbs and still growing, in a couple of years we could have a 7'3 300lbs monster on our hands with a 7'9 wingspan. Add to that he is being tutored by one of the top 3 centers of all time (i reckon Kareem is #1 but its debatable) and we could have a cornerstone center for the next 15 yrs.

Originally posted by koolruningz
Good to have another Laker fan on board for the upcoming season. 😄

Marcus Williams might be a more exciting PG but Farmar fits Phil Jacksons system alot better. He's only young but he has an old head on his shoulders, he doesnt force anything and moves well without the ball which most NBA players have forgotten how to do. He is still inconsistent from outside but he is a real hard worker and from what i've been reading he has been in the gym all summer working on his weaknesses. He doesnt show his athleticism off much in his game but he does have a 42" vertical so he can get up when he wants. Trust me this kid is gonna be our future PG.
As for Bynum he is never gonna be Shaq, remember when Shaq came out of LSU? The guy was so explosive it was unfair, just dunking on everyone. Bynum is more of a low post scorer like Kareem and Duncan, once he gets his moves down he will be fine. He works with Kareem daily so he is learning what it takes and if you want to learn the good fundamentals of the center position there is no better teacher than Kareem. Also remember that Bynum is only 18, he will be a good center but he needs time to first grow into his body and then learn how to use his size. At the moment he is 7'1 280lbs and still growing, in a couple of years we could have a 7'3 300lbs monster on our hands with a 7'9 wingspan. Add to that he is being tutored by one of the top 3 centers of all time (i reckon Kareem is #1 but its debatable) and we could have a cornerstone center for the next 15 yrs.

lol stop it, you makin me get all excited about our future 😄 😄 😄