NBA discussion thread

Originally posted by Smasandian
With my understanding about refs in the NBA is that it is highly unlikely that a ref rescinds the call.

Most refs our egotistical bastard who wouldn't. Also, as in football, only the head ref is allowed to review a play, and I highly doubt that a ref in the NBA would do that to his colleague when it comes to objectionable calls.

In the end though, putting review of fouls, which in my opinion is not a good idea, is just a facade for an underlying problem in the NBA. The refs are awful. Putting review wont fix the problem. Correcting the problem through better training, or hiring a younger generation of refs would alleviate the problems facing the NBA.

Right now we have the benefit of seeing replays so we know when a bad or bogus call is made, but every time it is reasoned that the refs don't have this ability, so when they make a bad call it's acceptable. However, if refs were given the opportunity to review a play, they would be held to a higher standard.

Why do you think the ability to review a foul is a bad idea?

Hiring newer refs would be more realistic than re-training 60 something year old refs and expecting them to change, who in your opinion are egotistical anyway.

Mindset does have a point.

If you look at a replay, and NO contact whatsoever happened and it was an all-ball block, why not review it and change the call? That's like knowing it's the wrong call but still sticking with it. That's outrageous especially in a playoff game, and this happens all the time through the season and the playoffs. There should be a system where the refs could review their call, look at a replay, and choose the right decision on the call.

Originally posted by Mindset
Some refs may be egotistical, but that does not mean they all are, and with the option to have plays reviewed it would put more scrutiny on how they call plays.

Right now we have the benefit of seeing replays so we know when a bad or bogus call is made, but every time it is reasoned that the refs don't have this ability, so when they make a bad call it's acceptable. However, if refs were given the opportunity to review a play, they would be held to a higher standard.

Why do you think the ability to review a foul is a bad idea?

Hiring newer refs would be more realistic than re-training 60 something year old refs and expecting them to change, who in your opinion are egotistical anyway.

One bad call like a whiffed contact foul happens once or twice in the game, which rarely effects the outcome.

But most fouls, even small, have contact and when you review it, the ref in question will probably see the contact that he called it for. There isn't really any point then. There alot of fouls in basketball, and most of them have some sort of contact. The difference between what people think is a good call, or a bad call is how much contact can happen before it's called. So when it is reviewed, its still a subjective call, just in slow motion. He rescinds the call based on the review, but in the end, its still a subjective call. The only difference is that you like it because its your favorite team.

What I meant by better training is better training when the hire the refs in the first place, not re-training them. Re-training them would be useless.

Originally posted by Smasandian
One bad call like a whiffed contact foul happens once or twice in the game, which rarely effects the outcome.

But most fouls, even small, have contact and when you review it, the ref in question will probably see the contact that he called it for. There isn't really any point then. There alot of fouls in basketball, and most of them have some sort of contact. The difference between what people think is a good call, or a bad call is how much contact can happen before it's called. So when it is reviewed, its still a subjective call, just in slow motion. He rescinds the call based on the review, but in the end, its still a subjective call. The only difference is that you like it because its your favorite team.

What I meant by better training is better training when the hire the refs in the first place, not re-training them. Re-training them would be useless.

Whether he rescinds it or not would still be based on his opinion, just like when he first called the foul, except now he has the benefit of seeing it like we do which allows him to make the best possible choice. Calls on plays will always be subjective, that's not really the point, the point is to make sure you don't miscall on an obvious non-foul that could potentially change the game.

I see, I doubt that will really change anything though. If you want to try to limit the number of bad calls, then being able to review a play would do more than trying to train refs to be better, since they will still miss calls. I'd rather just see them have some consistency on there calls than that, unless that is what you were saying.

Having better trained refs would improve the consistency of reffing alot more than a review system. A review system should effect plays where subjectivity is not in question, aka - did the guy step out of bounds.

Also, in football - a system that you said could implemented but change to fit basketball allows the ref to change the play with evidence that can be proved completely. With a foul, well, how can a ref see that it wasn't a foul when there is usually contact? I understand there are instances that a player is called for a foul when no foul occurred, but how many times does that happen? Once a game, or two games? There is no reason for implementing a system for a play that doesn't happen frequently.

What you would get is a coach asking for a play to be reviewed on a foul, well, it would be called a foul because there would be contact.

An easier solution would be to train the refs better and hire younger refs that can actually keep up with the players. A review system wouldn't fix anything. A football referee doesn't think that he shouldn't make a mistake while he is making the call. He makes the call that he thinks is correct.

I'm with S-mas on this one. Better trained refs is what is in order.

Reviews might just complicate things.

I also like the randomness in sports.

In baseball, the strike zone being one. I love how some umpires have a bigger strike zone, and some have smaller. I also like how some pitchers get bigger strike zones and some hated hitters have smaller.

Same with basketball.

Yea like Milton Bradley. His strike zone is massive right now cause Umps are tired of him being a dick head.

A perfect example of good officiating is hockey.

It's very similar to basketball where fouls and penalties are strictly subjective.

The difference is that hockey refs are actually pretty good compared to basketball. When a call is made, people will always complain but generally its a good call. If its a bad call, usually the ref makes a similar type call to the opposing teams. The only thing they review is goals (rightfully so).

For instance, a guy falls down to the ice and the opposing player stick is near there. Ref calls tripping. But another ref could of called diving to falling player because the stick didn't trip the player up. No matter what happens, a review wont change the fact that the ref thought it was tripping.

Same thing happens in basketball.

Lakers lose 😠

Phil has to motivate the guys when they have a golden opportunity to take a commanding lead

Jones is a cheapshot artist and I hope the Refs foul his ass out at Staples

On Wednesday, I look for Kobe, Pau and the gang get payback for the loss tonite

Originally posted by guy222
Lakers lose 😠

Phil has to motivate the guys when they have a golden opportunity to take a commanding lead

Jones is a cheapshot artist and I hope the Refs foul his ass out at Staples

On Wednesday, I look for Kobe, Pau and the gang get payback for the loss tonite

It was a pretty ugly loss.

Hope the Lakers can bounce back in game 5.

Kobe was ready to play. Its a shame no one else was

Originally posted by guy222
Kobe was ready to play. Its a shame no one else was

The Nuggets controlled the paint and secured rebounds. The Lakers needed a more aggressive contribution from Pau and Odom, if you were to ask me.

Doesn't help that guys like Sasha are practically useless.

Pau had another double double, Bynum played good also

The Lakers have to play hard for 48 minutes

Lamar isn't 100%....hence Bynum should be playing more

D-Fish and Sasha are in horrible slumps. They have to make baskets

I look for the Magic to go to Howard early

One one hand we were outworked last night, cant take anything away from the Nuggets effort (especially on the glass). One the other hand our gameplan is so flawed, we continue to ignore the post and shoot 30 3's. Our advantage is inside, both Anderson and Martin are good weakside shotblockers but are terrible post defenders. Our strategy to play keep-away from the bigs is killing us. No team in the league has 2 skilled back to the basket 7 footers but whats the point of us having them if we dont get them shots? If we have to shoot 3's then they should be after we have exhausted the post options and the bigs are passing out of the doubles to wide open shooters (although Sasha would still probably miss).
I cant understand why Phil wont go with the big lineup of Kobe, Ariza, Lamar, Pau and Bynum. I hear all the time that we need outside shooting and thats why Lamar cant play the 3, but last time i checked Luke Walton isnt lighting it up from deep. That lineup would also own the boards which was a real problem last night. That lineup would be great down the stretch on defense and on offense just run the Kobe/Pau screen roll with Bynum running the baseline, Lamar on one wing and Ariza on the other. Both of those guys are shooting better from outside than our so called "shooters".
Finally anyone else pissed off with the amount of fouls that have been called in these playoffs? I feel the Lakers got the shit end of the stick last night but thats not my point. There has been no consistency in the calls, one minute you are allowed to grab and pull the next its a foul for the tiniest bit of contact. Personally i'd like to see less calls both ways and let the best players decide the game. There was a period in the 4th last night were it was like 8 straight fouls called on us (all of them questionable). Nobody wants to see that do they?

Those fouls on Luke. That's terrible

I wish the Lakers would work inside out

It seems simple doesnt it bro? It's not like they are inconspicuous targets. They are both over 7ft with long arms, how hard can it be to get them the ball? I dont buy the Denver defense taking away the post entry passes either, the triangle offense has some very basic counters to deal with overplaying and fronting the post but i've yet to see us run them.

Indeed

Geshien, i feel your pain buddy. You guys are playing 5 on 8, the refs are doing everything they can down the stretch to take the game away from the Magic. Bogus call to send Bron to the line to tie and then they miss a blatant foul on D12, where amazing happens right?

WHOOOOO HOOOOOO!!!!!!