Man I get the give the stars the call thing, but how in the hell do you call a foul on Howard for blocking Lebrons 3 there. Something needs to be done to make refs more accountable in all sports. I also still dont get this Redick not getting in the game thing, especially in a time when all the Magic are trying to do is ice the game at the FT line.
That was one of the worst calls i've ever seen. Good job by the Magic to overcome the Cavs and the refs, they have been the better team in this series so far. The Cavs for all their hype really dont have much of an offense, the Magic space the floor well with their shooters and the Cavs vaunted defense cant collapse. Its up to Mike Brown to make some major adjustments.
Originally posted by Mindset
The refs got a call from David Stern.What I don't get is why they can't rescind calls, they can review if it is a 3 pt shot, but they can't see if it is a foul or not and change it?
They should do like football where you can review a certain number of plays.
In football, its a completely different situation when it comes to fouling.
You can't review a play like that in football. You can only review plays like fumbles, if the player step out of bounds and that nature.
You can't review personal fouls, hits, interference and penalties of that nature.
Originally posted by SmasandianNot what I was saying.
In football, its a completely different situation when it comes to fouling.You can't review a play like that in football. You can only review plays like fumbles, if the player step out of bounds and that nature.
You can't review personal fouls, hits, interference and penalties of that nature.
I'm not relating the plays that can be reviewed in football to the plays that can be reviewed in basketball, I'm saying the NBA should give coaches an allotted amount of reviews they can use, such as in football, but that can be used for fouls, etc., which is the thing I was talking about.
Obviously reviewable plays would be different in basketball since it is a completely different sport.
Originally posted by Mindset
Not what I was saying.I'm not relating the plays that can be reviewed in football to the plays that can be reviewed in basketball, I'm saying the NBA should give coaches an allotted amount of reviews they can use, such as in football, but that can be used for fouls, etc., which is the thing I was talking about.
Obviously reviewable plays would be different in basketball since it is a completely different sport.
I dont think they would ever allow them to challenge a foul and dont think they should either. But they do need to find a way to make the refs do a better job. I could see one day where there is a ref sitting up in a booth watching a monitor and he is on coms with the guys on the court to give them immediate help in their ear.
Originally posted by forumcrewWhy shouldn't they have the power to review a limited number of fouls, how would it do anything but better the game?
I dont think they would ever allow them to challenge a foul and dont think they should either. But they do need to find a way to make the refs do a better job. I could see one day where there is a ref sitting up in a booth watching a monitor and he is on coms with the guys on the court to give them immediate help in their ear.
Originally posted by Mindset
Not what I was saying.I'm not relating the plays that can be reviewed in football to the plays that can be reviewed in basketball, I'm saying the NBA should give coaches an allotted amount of reviews they can use, such as in football, but that can be used for fouls, etc., which is the thing I was talking about.
Obviously reviewable plays would be different in basketball since it is a completely different sport.
I understand what you were saying.
I said that in football, the reviews are not used for calls that involve some sort of personal foul, or something that is up to referee's discretion like interference.
Even though basketball is different the same thought process is used for fouls. So saying that basketball should adopt football review policy is non important because it wouldn't make any difference because football review policy only deals with calls that involve clear cut answers aka fumbles and such. Adopting them to basketball would give you same thing you already have. So there is no point in the end.
As for fouls, or holding. It's up to refs in the first place. A ref thinks a player is fouled, no matter how many times a review is called, he will still make the same call. Why? Because he thought it was warranted in the first place. If he looks at it again, do you think he will changed his mind? In most cases, no. As for stepping out of bounds, well, there is a clear cut answer if it happened or not so he would change his mind if that was the case.
Originally posted by SmasandianIf you know what I'm saying then why are you still working under the premise that they will regulate what plays are reviewed in a similar why the NFL does, which I clearly said is not what I was saying? The only thing you should take from my post is that I want them to have the ability to request a review on a play, such as in football, there's really no need to even bring up what plays are reviewable in football as it is completely irrelevant to what I was saying.
I understand what you were saying.I said that in football, the reviews are not used for calls that involve some sort of personal foul, or something that is up to referee's discretion like interference.
Even though basketball is different the same thought process is used for fouls. So saying that basketball should adopt football review policy is non important because it wouldn't make any difference because football review policy only deals with calls that involve clear cut answers aka fumbles and such. Adopting them to basketball would give you same thing you already have. So there is no point in the end.
As for fouls, or holding. It's up to refs in the first place. A ref thinks a player is fouled, no matter how many times a review is called, he will still make the same call. Why? Because he thought it was warranted in the first place. If he looks at it again, do you think he will changed his mind? In most cases, no. As for stepping out of bounds, well, there is a clear cut answer if it happened or not so he would change his mind if that was the case.
Not true, recently a ref admitted he gave a bad call, I'm sure he wished he were able to review a replay so he could rescind that call. And yes, I do believe a ref would change his calls, refs are not egotistical asshats who would stick to a call just because they called it, especially not in playoff games.
Originally posted by Mindset
If you know what I'm saying then why are you still working under the premise that they will regulate what plays are reviewed in a similar why the NFL does, which I clearly said is not what I was saying? The only thing you should take from my post is that I want them to have the ability to request a review on a play, such as in football, there's really no need to even bring up what plays are reviewable in football as it is completely irrelevant to what I was saying.Not true, recently a ref admitted he gave a bad call, I'm sure he wished he were able to review a replay so he could rescind that call. And yes, I do believe a ref would change his calls, refs are not egotistical asshats who would stick to a call just because they called it, especially not in playoff games.
If you say "such as in football" it is not irrelevant. So if you want a totally different system (which it appears you do) Then don't say "such as in football" Just say the coaches should be able to challenge x number of any plays they want. This would be a crazy fantasy though that would likely never happen. Be up there with letting a Baseball coach challenge a ball/strike.
Originally posted by forumcrewWell the concept of reviewing plays would come from football, which is why I said it, the application of said concept would be different.
If you say "such as in football" it is not irrelevant. So if you want a totally different system (which it appears you do) Then don't say "such as in football" Just say the coaches should be able to challenge x number of any plays they want. This would be a crazy fantasy though that would likely never happen. Be up there with letting a Baseball coach challenge a ball/strike.
I elaborated on this point a couple posts ago, which is why it makes the reviewable plays in football irrelevant to my statement, and it this point that should have been clear.
Btw, you never answered my question.
With my understanding about refs in the NBA is that it is highly unlikely that a ref rescinds the call.
Most refs our egotistical bastard who wouldn't. Also, as in football, only the head ref is allowed to review a play, and I highly doubt that a ref in the NBA would do that to his colleague when it comes to objectionable calls.
In the end though, putting review of fouls, which in my opinion is not a good idea, is just a facade for an underlying problem in the NBA. The refs are awful. Putting review wont fix the problem. Correcting the problem through better training, or hiring a younger generation of refs would alleviate the problems facing the NBA.
Originally posted by Mindset
Btw, you never answered my question.
Smas already had. It is a subjective call. Pretty much in all sports they only look at things that are black and white. Was he out of bounds, was it a Home Run, was hit a 3 or a 2, etc... Did he foul him, were his feet set, was it a hold, was it a strike, etc are very very subjective and you could probably find something in every singly play if you started looking at them with enough replays.
Originally posted by forumcrewThat doesn't really answer my question of why you think they shouldn't.
Smas already had. It is a subjective call. Pretty much in all sports they only look at things that are black and white. Was he out of bounds, was it a Home Run, was hit a 3 or a 2, etc... Did he foul him, were his feet set, was it a hold, was it a strike, etc are very very subjective and you could probably find something in every singly play if you started looking at them with enough replays.
And we are only talking about basketball, I don't care about other sports, you are just complicating things by including them.
It hardly matters if they could find something in every replay, which I doubt they could, they only would get a limited amount of reviews.