Originally posted by Ricodrayz
Wonder woman was equal to him when they fought each other but thought it was a monster in that ep where they release hades.
She wasn't exactly equal to him. Half way through the fight he discovered it was her and was mearly trying to stop her. If he cutting loose with ALL of his powers (they were just throwing punches), then he would've mopped the floor with her. You have to remember that he did the best out of all of them when he fought AMAZO, and he beat Darkseid twice. Not to mention the fact that in Speed Demons Flash and Supes raced to a stalemate.
Oh, and I just got done finishing it. After Superman was thrown through the table, Flash was hit by a piece of the building and went flying back. Superman then grabbed Flash by the suit and was about to kill him. Right before he was about to smash Flash's face in, Justice League Superman showed up and so did Lex.
Originally posted by batdude123Well that speed demon ep was old so lets stick with justice league eps because they are upgraded and flash is much more faster. Flash also got rid of that bomb in the ep wild cars by running out of range in 1 second and back. I am not saying Flash can beat him on his own, I am saying while fighting the orders the Flash will be annoying and Supes can't really hit him or do anything to stop him while the green Lantern/all beat on him,
She wasn't exactly equal to him. Half way through the fight he discovered it was her and was mearly trying to stop her. If he cutting loose with ALL of his powers (they were just throwing punches), then he would've mopped the floor with her. You have to remember that he did the best out of all of them when he fought AMAZO, and he beat Darkseid twice. Not to mention the fact that in Speed Demons Flash and Supes raced to a stalemate.Oh, and I just got done finishing it. After Superman was thrown through the table, Flash was hit by a piece of the building and went flying back. Superman then grabbed Flash by the suit and was about to kill him. Right before he was about to smash Flash's face in, Justice League Superman showed up and so did Lex.
If you want to go back to the old superman eps then the eo when Cenestro(guy with the yellow ring) beat the shit out of Superman when Kyle first got his ring so I don't see how Superman is beating themall on his own.
Originally posted by batdude123
Kevin Conroy's awesome!!! 馃槃Also, remember in the first appearence of AMAZO. He already had the powers of Flash, WW, Hawkgirl, and GL and Superman was pretty much beating the crap out of him. And remember in Superman The Animated Series "Speed Demons" Superman and Flash were racing to a stalemate.
Flash wasn't even going all out. Did you forget the JLU's season 2 finale? The episode where Flash actually "goes all out" and takes out Luthor/Brainiac while continually running around the world? He did this to the same "Luthoriac" that took down the the rest of the original 7. For those that forgot, here it is again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7dKyV8VxTU
Tell me Superman can match that.
Originally posted by Ricodrayz
Wonder woman was equal to him when they fought each other but thought it was a monster in that ep where they release hades.
Not quite. I hate to use ABC logic, but here's a good example: Remember the JLU episode "For the Man who had Everything"? In that episode, Superman pretty much punked Mongul, while Wonder Woman hurt her hands hitting him, and basically got smacked around til Supes came to.
Originally posted by Tron
Flash wasn't even going all out. Did you forget the JLU's season 2 finale? The episode where Flash actually "goes all out" and takes out Luthor/Brainiac while continually running around the world? He did this to the same "Luthoriac" that took down the the rest of the original 7. For those that forgot, here it is again:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7dKyV8VxTU
Tell me Superman can match
sonic boom darkseid punch anyone. by the way doesnt flash get taken down by some random flying object such as a rock to the face
Originally posted by Ricodrayz
Well that speed demon ep was old so lets stick with justice league eps because they are upgraded and flash is much more faster. Flash also got rid of that bomb in the ep wild cars by running out of range in 1 second and back. I am not saying Flash can beat him on his own, I am saying while fighting the orders the Flash will be annoying and Supes can't really hit him or do anything to stop him while the green Lantern/all beat on him,If you want to go back to the old superman eps then the eo when Cenestro(guy with the yellow ring) beat the shit out of Superman when Kyle first got his ring so I don't see how Superman is beating themall on his own.
I remember that episode. I'm not saying that this would be a cake walk for Superman in any way, shape, or form. However, I am saying that Superman has good chances of winning. Justice Lord Superman was about to kill Flash until Superman and Lex showed up. Flash alone cannot beat him, however with the team they'd probably take him. Though, he's beaten enemies alone that the others together couldn't beat. 馃槵
Originally posted by Tron
Flash wasn't even going all out. Did you forget the JLU's season 2 finale? The episode where Flash actually "goes all out" and takes out Luthor/Brainiac while continually running around the world? He did this to the same "Luthoriac" that took down the the rest of the original 7. For those that forgot, here it is again:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7dKyV8VxTU
Tell me Superman can match that.
I've seen that episode many times actually. Yeah, he beat the bloody pulp out of Lex, however in the process, he almost got pulled into the speed force forever. It took the effort of everybody else to pull him out. Getting himself caught in the speed force isn't going to help any of his team mates out. Flash has also expressed his inferiority to Superman before. Not to mention the fact that Superman beat many opponents that the rest of the team couldn't. In the cartoon, it was pretty much Superman>everyone else. 馃槵
Originally posted by badabing
Wonderwoman is a big problem for Superman. I forget which episode, but Wonderwoman and Superman were fighting each other because of the illusion that they were each a monster. Wonderwoman was giving Superman a good run in that episode.
Yeah, but about half way through the fight, Superman realized that it was Diana, and was merely trying to stop her. If he went all out (they were just throwing punches) he would've owned her. Think of Darkseid in the last episode. Diana would've been SMASHED. Not to mention as Tron said before, WW's punches didn't even effect Mongul and she was losing pretty badly. Then Superman came in and ruled him. 馃槵
Originally posted by badabing
I didn't say she won or would win, I said she gave him a good run. Also, J'onn and Wonderwoman were able to hold back Superman in the Watch Tower when he went after Darkseid. IMO, Superman was fired up in that episode.I hate that aw shucks/erm smiley. 馃槖
When you say that "she would give him a good run," do you mean that she would get KO'd after about 3-4 punches?? 馃槃
And J'onn and WW restraining Superman doesn't really prove anything. The fact that he's beaten so many people who's calibur is easily around the team-level is astounding. He made Billy and Cpt. Atom both look like tools, he punked Darkseid in about every single fight they've had (and Darkseid punked Orion along with some of the other members of the team), lobotomized Doomsday (who was beating on the rest of the team pretty badly), AMAZO who already had WW's, GL's, Hawkgirl's, Flash's powers, AND his own, etc. etc. etc.
Superman was easily numero uno on the team in the cartoon. 馃槵
Originally posted by batdude123No way in hell Flash could beat Superman(Wasn't my point) I am saying if that flash gave Supes any kind of trouble you could only imagine everyone else. Oh and Flash went to wise crack on supes after he threw him(Supes threw something at him while flash was making jokes which caught him off guard, and then when Supes picked him up, Flash was trying to talk him out of it(Wasn't trying to do anything) So yeah...
I remember that episode. I'm not saying that this would be a cake walk for Superman in any way, shape, or form. However, I am saying that Superman has good chances of winning. Justice Lord Superman was about to kill Flash until Superman and Lex showed up. Flash alone cannot beat him, however with the team they'd probably take him. Though, he's beaten enemies alone that the others together couldn't beat. 馃槵
The Man hunter is near supes and that's just him alone, then you got Green lantern and Wonder woman bashing at Supes skull with Hawk girls "magical mace" that could hurt supes..I don't see Sypes winning at all 馃槓. Man hunter goes through things and could read Superman's thoughts to see what he is thinking so yeah.
Originally posted by batdude123
When you say that "she would give him a good run," do you mean that she would get KO'd after about 3-4 punches?? 馃槃And J'onn and WW restraining Superman doesn't really prove anything. The fact that he's beaten so many people who's calibur is easily around the team-level is astounding. He made Billy and Cpt. Atom both look like tools, he punked Darkseid in about every single fight they've had (and Darkseid punked Orion along with some of the other members of the team), lobotomized Doomsday (who was beating on the rest of the team pretty badly), AMAZO who already had WW's, GL's, Hawkgirl's, Flash's powers, AND his own, etc. etc. etc.
Superman was easily numero uno on the team in the cartoon. 馃槵
Every fight he had with darksied Supes was pretty much almost dead.....
Billy got hits on him and wasn't"Punked" so easily. Capt Marvel was chumping supes for a good while until he ran out of energy. Oh and if Supes goes all out and doesn't have his mental block like he did against darkseid in the last ep of JLU then he could beat them all BUT, IF you allow Flash and the others to go all out like Superman did then Superman still loses.
Flash gave Brainiac/Luthor a good beating and the merged villain was giving all of the JLA a huge problem. Mongul and Darkseid were giving Superman enough to keep him at bay for a while. WW, GL, MM and Flash are powerful enough ftw. Batman has Kryptonite also. He took it out of the air when John grabbed it with his ring. I have nothing for Hawkgirl.
Quit it with that damn smiley.
Originally posted by Ricodrayz
No way in hell Flash could beat Superman(Wasn't my point) I am saying if that flash gave Supes any kind of trouble you could only imagine everyone else. Oh and Flash went to wise crack on supes after he threw him(Supes threw something at him while flash was making jokes which caught him off guard, and then when Supes picked him up, Flash was trying to talk him out of it(Wasn't trying to do anything) So yeah...The Man hunter is near supes and that's just him alone, then you got Green lantern and Wonder woman bashing at Supes skull with Hawk girls "magical mace" that could hurt supes..I don't see Sypes winning at all 馃槓. Man hunter goes through things and could read Superman's thoughts to see what he is thinking so yeah.
If Superman is flying at the time, there would be pretty much nothing for the Flash to do. He's never demonstrated flying capabilities (although he SHOULD be able to). WW, Hawkgirl, and Bats would get taken down pretty easily. From there, it'd be MM and GL against Superman with Flash left grounded. John is a tool, who was beaten by the commander of the Thanagarian army. Superman could handle him. J'onn would be a major problem. Although, his durability was kind of downplayed in the series. One punch could potentially be very hazardous to him. He was KTFO by one of Darkseids Omega Beams. Superman took them without much trouble. J'onn eventually would be taken out. However, his intangibility trick would prove to be beneficial.
You also have to remember the fact that Superman has beaten so many people who gave the rest of the team plenty of trouble. AMAZO (who had his own, WW's, Flash's, GL's, and Hawkgirl's powers), Doomsday, Lobo, Darkseid, Captain Atom, Billy, etc. etc. Superman has his chances here. There's no question about that.
Originally posted by Ricodrayz
Every fight he had with darksied Supes was pretty much almost dead.....
Billy got hits on him and wasn't"Punked" so easily. Capt Marvel was chumping supes for a good while until he ran out of energy. Oh and if Supes goes all out and doesn't have his mental block like he did against darkseid in the last ep of JLU then he could beat them all BUT, IF you allow Flash and the others to go all out like Superman did then Superman still loses.
Pretty much dead? Not really. Especially the one where Batman boom tubed him out of the Brainiac asteroid, he was beating him. And of course the last episode which had him making a fool of Darkseid. And yes, he treated Billy like a little child. Superman simply wanted to get to the bomb, and Batson was trying to stop Superman and was pretty much going all out. Superman had Cpt. Marvel on the ground, and then he snuck up and grabbed Supes from behind. Then yelled SHAZAM a couple of times but Superman used it against him. Atom was going all out and Superman simply wanted to keep him down without causing too much trouble.
And you don't even think Superman could get 1 out of 10? 馃え