ROTS Darth Vader vs. Kyle Katarn

Originally posted by Jen'ari
3. He didn't bring balance.

"There is a hint in the movie that there was a Sith Lord who had the power to create life. But it's left unsaid: Is Anakin a product of a super-Sith who influenced the Midichlorians to create him, or is he simply created by the Midichlorians to bring forth a prophecy, or was he created by the Force through the Midichlorians? It's left up to the audience to decide. How he was born ultimately has no relationship to how he dies, because in the end, the prophecy is true: Balance comes back to the Force."

-- George Lucas, Rolling Stone Magazine, June 2005.

Originally posted by Advent
"There is a hint in the movie that there was a Sith Lord who had the power to create life. But it's left unsaid: Is Anakin a product of a super-Sith who influenced the Midichlorians to create him, or is he simply created by the Midichlorians to bring forth a prophecy, or was he created by the Force through the Midichlorians? It's left up to the audience to decide. How he was born ultimately has no relationship to how he dies, because in the end,[b] the prophecy is true: Balance comes back to the Force."

-- George Lucas, Rolling Stone Magazine, June 2005. [/B]

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Originally posted by Advent
"There is a hint in the movie that there was a Sith Lord who had the power to create life. But it's left unsaid: Is Anakin a product of a super-Sith who influenced the Midichlorians to create him, or is he simply created by the Midichlorians to bring forth a prophecy, or was he created by the Force through the Midichlorians? It's left up to the audience to decide. How he was born ultimately has no relationship to how he dies, because in the end,[b] the prophecy is true: Balance comes back to the Force."

-- George Lucas, Rolling Stone Magazine, June 2005. [/B]

That would be an example of Lucas disregarding the EU, as the sith came back.

Originally posted by Advent
Did you like...not read my post? He fought Jerec, who did receive training Sidious, Jocasta Nu, and Lord Vader. He was also capable of cutting people off from the Force: "Jerec has the uncanny power to absorb and overshadow one’s connection to The Force", and was a fully trained Jedi. Qu Rahn had brought up the point that if Jerec were to get a boost from the Valley of the Jedi, his power would be described as such:

"If Jerec captures this power, he will be a creature such as the universe has never seen. A supernova of stars in a fleeting thought. The [b]eradication of life from a star system in a whisper will be within his power."

And Jerec did get a boost from the Valley of the Jedi when fighting Kyle, see this quote: "Jerec turned, extended his hand, and triggered an explosion" which means he just casually stuck out of hand and an explosion happened. Kyle still defeated him even with no real training. And, Jerec was also viewed as one of the galaxy's biggest threats. Also, keep in mind that Kyle also got a nice little boost from the Valley of the Jedi afterwards, so while we may not know how much power - we should be able to gauge from Jerec's power, and Qu Rahn's thoughts. And against that opponent, who had that kind of power, Kyle was able to cut Jerec's connection to the Force off:

"The Jedi fell, struggled to stay aloft, and fell again. Something, or someone, had cut his access to the dark side of the Force..."

He cut Jerec off from the Force. Who, at that moment, would probably own Anakin with the Force merely by raising a hand. He was also able to remove a dark column of energy, which is basically like Force light. And he was also capable of summoning a protection barrier, described as a "protective cocoon". As well, I'm fairly certain Kyle is able to utilize the ability of Force lightning.

LMFAO! He sent someone with no Force defense flying. Now, tell me - isn't that the equivalent of Force pushing an inanimate object? That's really not impressive whatsoever. We know Shaak Ti force pushed Grievous through an entire wall. Is she now on par with Anakin? We know that Kyle Force pushed four people at one time:

So, that's the equivalent of pushing Grievous. Sending four flying. And he couldn't even successfully repel Obi-Wan's Force push. And we do know that Obi-Wan's Force defense is weak as all hell. While Dooku is a considerable Force user, we know that Obi-Wan - against Dooku - was owned in 13 seconds flat by the Force. Here's what it was described as in the ROTS novelization:

"...the slightest whipcrack of that power, negligent as a flick of his wrist, sent Kenobi flying backward to crash hard against the wall, but Dooku didn't have time to enjoy it. "

As you can see, Dooku literally did just flick his wrist and Kenobi practically died. Now, since we know his Force defense isn't that good, what makes you think his offensive is? We know that Obi-Wan was almost sent to the Agricultural Corps because Qui-Gon had "overlooked Kenobi several times". Now, if Anakin can't even successfully stop Obi-Wan's attacks, what makes you think he can stop Kyle's? Who we do know is a formidable Force user.

Wow. He threw some mines at him. That's totally hard, and shows a mastery of the Force, right? That's basic telekinesis. I'd be willing to bet Padawan Anakin could do that. I guess Obi-Wan is t3h f0rce g0d because he dropped a hunk of metal on some Magnaguards! And Darth Maul is ub3r for Force pushing a piece of scrap at a door.

Yes, now out of all that. There's only about two things that are even impressive, or don't demonstrate the ability of basic telekinesis. Great. Now, how does any of that put him on Kyle's rank again? I could just say Kyle cuts off his connection to the Force, or puts himself in a protection bubble while Anakin fails. Actually, in the ROTS novelization - Obi-Wan uses the Force to f*ck up Anakin's mechnical hand, if Obi-Wan is capable of that - I'm positive Katarn is, however, I doubt he'd even realize it was there.

In terms of pure lightsaber skill, Anakin loses. No question. As a damn neophyte he killed the Seven Dark Jedi. Now he's a fully trained Jedi Master? And Battlemaster of the NJO. [/B]

LOL, Advent is a F@ggOt.

Oh yeah, I just got back from my workplace and Im already typing down my reponse to your pathetic post. fish

kyle easy in wikepedia it says his saber skills supasses anyones even skywalkers

Originally posted by Master_Starbuck
LOL, Advent is a F@ggOt.

Oh yeah, I just got back from my workplace and Im already typing down my reponse to your pathetic post. fish

Um, Starbuck - you're not a good debater. And no ones cares what you say. Also, reported. It's humor at best when you consider none of your posts contain any actual bearing to the fight, but include stuff like "LOL ANAKIN WILL MAKE HIM HIS MOP!!:!:!:!:!:".

Originally posted by yettoh
kyle easy in wikepedia it says his saber skills supasses anyones even skywalkers

really? idk bout that but people claim wiki is edited by any1 but i doubt thats true, if so the admin or who the hell ever will lock the page

Yes, it is not a source at all.

partially it can be, just that check other sources too to make sure nothing is edited, so far i checked, darth banes info is clean, no shit added

"That would be an example of Lucas disregarding the EU, as the sith came back."- jenari

well GL is the god creator of star wars, his words can over write anything the other makers say, hell even if GL said that r2d2 was the most powerful of all the beings and droids then hell so be it.

It's not a source, it's a place for information. However, if something unsupported is put there, it is not confirmed as a source...

unsupported by whom and i cant find any actual online source

in wikepedia it does say that kyle surpasses luke in saber power
best swordsman in lukes new order

Where did wikipedia get that info? Well certainley not from any source in the books or EU. I remember having 3 very biased fans of Kyle here on KMC a while ago, it is possible that they, or any other fanboy wrote that on wikipedia. They insisted on Kyle being the best lightsaber duellist.

well you have a point