EU Grievous & Dooku vs. ROTS Sidious & TPM Maul

Lucas says that only Yoda and Mace can compete with Sidious but then later says that ROTS Vader is even with Sidious, so I don't really take the only Yoda and Mace can compete with Sidious quote as good proof. And as for Asajj and Dooku together not being able to take out Sidious, that's not true. Dooku didn't qant to risk fighting Sidious even with Asajj cause he was afraid of Sidious and didn't know how strong Sidious was so he didn't want to take the risk of possibly losing. That's why he didn't face him, not because they couldn't but because Dooku didn't know for sure if they could or not and was to scared to try. And by non-injured Grievous I think that Quinlan_Vos meant Grievous before Macr crushes his chest, as in EU Grievous.

Originally posted by Spartan ll
Makashi doesn't do very well against more agressive forms of Saber combat(Juyo, Djem So, Ataru.- From SW Insider on Lightsaber Forms.),

Star Wars Insider, Issue 62 - if that's what you're referring to doesn't say that, or at least not to my knowledge. Provide exact quote. I forgot, though, that that issue does say this about Makashi:

"The ultimate refinement of lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat became Form II, advancing the precision of blade manipulation to its finest possible degree and producing the greatest dueling masters the galaxy has ever seen. "

So, how can it be the lightsaber-to-lightsaber form, but no fair well against half the other forms? Obviously, from what we know, it does indeed produce great duelists (i.e. Dooku). And what's that about not doing good against Ataru? Was it just me, or was Dooku able to beat the shit out of Kenobi, toy with Anakin, and then have enough energy to actually battle Yoda and hold his own. By the way, my "friend". Even if you say that a general Makashi user would lose to an Ataru user, Dooku is more experienced than that. See this quote here, from the ROTS novelization:

"Kenobi's Master had been Qui-Gon Jinn, Dooku's own Padawan; Dooku had fenced Qui-Gon thousands of times, and he knew every weakness of the Ataru form, with its ridiculous acrobatics."

Oh, so it seems Dooku isn't your average Makashi practitioner. Of course, if your words are even true (which I doubt, given I don't see that written). Now, considering Ataru is an offensive form - why is it that Dooku is able to own Ataru?

but is very good against the forms Shi-Cho and Soresu. Juyo is a more potent and more agressive form than Djem So,

Oh my. Do you have any actual proof for this assertion? In fact, once Kenobi deployed Soresu, Dooku thought he might be overwhelmed by the duo, so he decided to own Kenobi with the Force. And again, it's called the lightsaber-to-lightsaber form for a reason. Not just because it's good against two forms. Don't be so daft.

Count has a very low chance of coming out of this duel alive,

Considering your evidence has been shot to shit. I'd say you're wrong. Actually, I know you're wrong, but let us continue.

considering he had trouble dealing with Anakin , who was using an agressive but more weaker form than Juyo, even though Dooku descirbed Anakin as "the best Djem So user he had ever seen.".

What's your point exactly? I don't see it. Oh, I forgot that Maul is on par with Anakin, right? Oh wait, that can't be it because it's wrong. What does that have to do with anything exactly? Just because Juyo is more aggressive, doesn't mean he'll be able to overwhelm Count Dooku. And really, you think Maul would have a better chance against Anakin? Laughable, considering he got his lightssaber broke in half by an enraged padawan. Now, I know Maul is better than Obi-Wan, but that doesn't change the fact he still got it sliced in half. That part was hardly luck.

And I'd also like to know why Dooku is able to defeat Grievous, who is more aggressive than probably anyone in Star Wars, and fights with overwhelming speed, is better than Asajj Ventress, but he can't defeat Maul [according to you]. You don't have any argument, foolish child. You're stating an average Form x, y, or z is better than an average Form a practitioner. We know Dooku is far from average, and given he knows every weakness of Ataru, that assumption is correct (not that your quote is even true, probably made it up).

So DOoku has a very good chance of getting overwelmed by Maul and then cut down. [/B]

Just because Maul practices Juyo, he should be able to overcome Dooku? Wow. Great reasonings. By this logic, Sora Bulq > Dooku. But wait, didn't Sora and Dooku fight? And Sora ended up getting blasted with lightning, however, he wasn't able to overcome Dooku in the least bit, even with Master Tholme at his side. So, as usual, you're logic fails. This is Count Dooku who is described as "one of the most respected and powerful Jedi in the Order's twenty-five-thousand-year history". Meaning one of the best ever.

Don't think you can pull that stupid bullshit on me, son.

Touche.

'As usual'? Just because I consider Revan an Ancient Sith, which is different from a 'True Sith' (Considering he was around 4 thousand years prior to DE, which WOULD make him an Ancient Sith, but not part of the 'True Sith', the species.) it doesn't make it false logic. And according to YOUR theory on Naga Sadow being the last 'True Sith', has proven to be bullshit, considering from what we've heard in K2, the True Sith still live. Kreia confirms it, Revan confirms it and seeks them out by himself and then the Exile does the same.

Don't give me a lecture on who's full of bullshit and who isn't, considering K2 proved your little 'bullshit' of a theory wrong. Don't get 'Ancient Sith' confused with 'True Sith'. Ancient Sith can refer to both human or Sith species Sith Lords(Considering, Again, Revan and Malak and other Sith in that timeframe, were around 4 thousand years prior to DE. Even the Jedi Academy Books, refer to Kun as an 'Ancient Sith Lord', and he was only around 50 years prior to Revan and Malak's time. Are you now going to say that just becuase Kun was around 50 years before Revan and Malak, that Revan and Malak aren't 'Ancient' Sith aswell?), while 'True Sith', is limited to the Sith species alone.

Uh, yes - "bullshit", Spartan. It's what you spew half the time, so you should know it by now. Was there a point of bringing what I said up? Or are you just doing it now because I tore your shit up? In any case, doesn't matter. I was wrong, so what's your point? There's a difference between being ignorant, and spewing bullshit. I was the former in that case.

But whatever, have fun thinking you actually accomplished something!

Originally posted by Advent
Uh, yes - "bullshit", Spartan. It's what you spew half the time, so you should know it by now.

I have shown sufficient proof on how K2 and the Jedi Academy Books, all say different about your little 'theory'.

You say 'Revan wasn't an Ancient Sith'. I say 'Then why does the Jedi Academy books refer to Kun as an 'Ancient Sith Lord'? Oh, maybe becuase HE WAS AROUND 4 THOUSAND YEARS BEFORE THEN! And so were Revan and Malak, thus making them 'Ancient Sith' aswell.'

Then, you say 'Naga Sadow was the Last of the Ancient/ True Sith.", to which I reply: ' Then why do Kreia and Revan(To Bastila.) in K2, say that the 'True Sith', still live?'

Yeah, who's the one with the bullshit again, oh yeah, YOU.

EDIT: And yeah, I DID accomplish something. I blew up your 'theory', right in your face, with logic, and made an ass out of yourself.

Spartan, you truly are the epitome of idiocy. Did you just forget to read my post, or were you to busy fapping to the fact you think you did something of importance?

Originally posted by Advent
In any case, doesn't matter. I was wrong, so what's your point? There's a difference between being ignorant, and spewing bullshit. I was the former in that case.

Originally posted by Spartan ll
Yeah, who's the one with the bullshit again, oh yeah, YOU.

Um, still you. Just look a few posts above, moron.

If you really want to act like you accomplished something, boy, then pick a versus match to debate me on.

Originally posted by Advent
Spartan, you truly are the epitome of idiocy. Did you just forget to read my post, or were you to busy fapping to the fact you think you did something of importance?

Um, still you. Just look a few posts above, moron.

If you really want to act like you accomplished something, boy, then pick a versus match to debate me on.

'Doing something of importance', I wouldn't exactly consider OWNing you at your own game an important thing. And maybe tomorrow. It's 1:17A.M right now,and I need to go to work tomorrow. I'm going to be logging off soon anyway.

OMG!!! Is this Advent sticking up for Count Dooku!?! I never would have thought it possible!! I owe you one Advent, you have saved me a sh*t load of typing.

Originally posted by Spartan ll
Still sore, sweetheart? Seriously, you can insult me till the cows come home.

No. What am I going to be sore about exactly? I admitted I was wrong. So, what the hell - how am I "sore"? All I said was you're a moron, which you are.

Spartan, there's something you aren't getting. Proving someone wrong one time, doesn't mean anything, nor that you can do it again - otherwise mid-tiers like Nebaris would be able to destroy my posts all the time. And proving me wrong on something like a title is not impressive, or anything to gloat about. And it certainly doesn't mean I actually "spew bullshit" all the time. I said I was wrong, so what? You made shit up, that's what "bullshit" is.

'Doing something of importance', I wouldn't exactly consider OWNing you important.

Considering you make a big deal of it, and probably are setting off fireworks as we speak - I'd so say.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
OMG!!! Is this Advent sticking up for Count Dooku!?! I never would have thought it possible!! I owe you one Advent, you have saved me a sh*t load of typing.

Yeah, it's no problem. I have no clue whatever makes anyone think Maul can beat our beloved, and most formal Count Dooku!

Originally posted by Rampant ox
OMG!!! Is this Advent sticking up for Count Dooku!?! I never would have thought it possible!! I owe you one Advent, you have saved me a sh*t load of typing.

Originally posted by Spartan ll
Even so, you do realize he loses to Sidious in the end? EU pre-shuttle crash Grievous is the first to go down, then Maul fights Dooku, possibly tiring him out, while Sidious watches. Then Maul goes down and Sidious proceeds to show Dooku how to handle a lightsaber.

Yes, I have already accepted that Dooku will lose. Also you say that last bit like Sidious is leagues above Dooku with a saber. Better yes, but not by a huge amount. Force powers was the reason Sidious was the master, not duelling skills (in my opinion anyway).

Yeah, it's no problem. I have no clue whatever makes anyone think Maul can beat our beloved, and most formal Count Dooku!

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Originally posted by Advent

No. What am I going to be sore about exactly? I admitted I was wrong. So, what the hell - how am I "sore"? All I said was you're a moron, which you are.

Spartan, there's something you aren't getting. Proving someone wrong one time, doesn't mean anything, nor that you can do it again - otherwise mid-tiers like Nebaris would be able to destroy my posts all the time. And proving me wrong on something like a title is [b]not impressive, or anything to gloat about. And it [b]certainly doesn't mean I actually "spew bullshit" all the time. I said I was wrong, so what? You made shit up, that's what "bullshit" is.

Considering you make a big deal of it, and probably are setting off fireworks as we speak - I'd so say.

Yeah, it's no problem. I have no clue whatever makes anyone think Maul can beat our beloved, and most formal Count Dooku!

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Yes, I have already accepted that Dooku will lose. Also you say that last bit like Sidious is leagues above Dooku with a saber. Better yes, but not by a huge amount. Force powers was the reason Sidious was the master, not duelling skills (in my opinion anyway).

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Lucas' Word= SW Law.

Originally posted by Spartan ll
Fireworks? Nah, just gloating it over you, considering you have a very high opinion of yourself. You aren't worth it for pulling out any fireworks, though. Janus, maybe, but certainly not you.

Um, why would proving me wrong on a title matter to me really? Did I care when Nebaris proved my simple math wrong? Not in the least bit. Why? Because it's so insignificant that it doesn't matter at all. If you proved me wrong on an actual debate. Such as what I proved you wrong on here, then I'd actually be mad and probably go on a cursing rampage. But, that - of course - would never happen. Unless you're game enough to debate me in a full blown debate. As in a versus match, not "l0l revan is anc1ent". Because only God knows how that is even anything to gloat about.

And if you do want to talk about bullshit, how about lying about socking at Janus' forum? Lol.

Originally posted by Spartan ll
Then why was Sidious able to litterally slaughter 3 of the Order's finest swordsmen? Dooku even says he's afraid of Sidious, and like I stated before, he wasn't even going to move against Sidious with Asajj's help and even says he's weaker than Sidious. Even GL stated that only Mace and Yoda could compete with Sidious, he never said Dooku could.

Lucas' Word= SW Law.

Fair enough. Im not saying that Dooku is better, merely that you are underestimating the Counts skill with a blade. Also Dooku could probably take out Mace's posse anyway. Certainly not as quickly, but I would think that he would have a good chance at defeating the 3 jedi. Sidious caught them by suprise anyway I think. Im quite sure they weren't expecting a 60+ year old man to come flying/spinning off his chair, lightsaber in hand, straight into their chests.

Originally posted by Advent
Um, why would proving me wrong on a title matter to me really? Did I care when Nebaris proved my simple math wrong? Not in the least bit. Why? Because it's so insignificant that it doesn't matter at all. If you proved me wrong on an actual debate. Such as what I proved you wrong on here, then I'd actually be mad and probably go on a cursing rampage. But, that - of course - would never happen. Unless you're game enough to debate me in a full blown debate. As in a versus match, not "l0l revan is anc1ent". Because only God knows how that is even anything to gloat about.

And if you do want to talk about bullshit, how about lying about socking at Janus' forum? Lol.

And why does everyone keep saying I socked at Janus' forum?! I WASN'T EVEN HERE! I was at California visiting my folks, they don't even own a computer.

At any rate, goodnight, I have to get some sleep.

Originally posted by Spartan ll
Then why are you making a big deal over it? All I did was gloat about proving you wrong at your own game.

And what, pray tell, is my "game"? I'm not making a big deal about it, I'm just discussing the fact you keep talking shit, and how annoying you are. Big deal? Hardly.

And why does everyone keep saying I socked at Janus' forum?! I WASN'T EVEN HERE! I was at California visiting my folks, they don't even own a computer.

Oh, really?

Full picture:

Now, that holds no relevance at this moment, however, with your own testimony in the Battle Bar #2:

Originally posted by Spartan ll
Uh, no. I posted on the 14th(Before I left), and then posted on 23rd(Late at night, around 11:23 I think, when I got home, and got one post in the OTF before going to bed.). Don't lie, I checked my profile for recent posts, and they show me that you're lying, wasn't the first time you have, though. 😉

If you came back the 23rd, how did you post on the 22nd early morning (9:00 AM)? Even being in California, the timezones don't give you an extra day (operating on EST).

Z0MGWTFBBQPWNED. LOLOLOL I OWN3D SPART4N!!!!!!?//?!ONEELEVENT.
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Example of how stupid you sound, and also example of the fact u r teh bullsh1t.

In any case, whoever else reads this post - keep in mind that I don't care if this is off-topic, or if no one cares. I just wanted to laugh at Spartan for my own amusement, and also to counter the fact he said I give "bullshit".

Wow, poor Spartan.

He got owned..

Where the hell did that Ancient Sith crap come from? Did I miss a post?

Anyways, is this Grievous pre-shuttle crash, or pre-crush? Pre-Shuttle gets owned by either one in 1 second, and then whoever was fighting him destroys Dooku.

Maul could hold and possibly beat Dooku in Lightsaber combat, Force Powers are the determining factor, course if Maul Fights Dooku, then Sidious mops up Grievous long before Maul dies, and then Dooku dies

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Where the hell did that Ancient Sith crap come from? Did I miss a post?

Nowhere. Spartan brought it up after I crushed his post, because he felt he had to somehow redeem himself.

Maul could hold and possibly beat Dooku in Lightsaber combat,

Where is your argument, Krieger? Quit making claims if you have no intention of backing them up. I've asked already, and you don't give me anything.