Your Church

Originally posted by Alliance
But there is no reason to believe in gods. No evidence. Its just idea that are told so often from birth, you believe its true.

In your opinion. I would disagree, but then, I am on the other side of the debate.

I believe there is evidence, but what I consider evidence would not be well received. You have statements of countless atheists that will disagree with the many religious statements as to the evidence of a God. Atheist statements are biased and as such they hold no more weight than the statement of a person who is religious as to the existence of God. All you have is statements of belief one way or the other. I do not believe that man could come up with the concept of God on his own, there is no evidence of such occurring. Show me the evidence that man is capable of such, there is none. Can you find ancient writings that show the evolution of the concept? There are none, if God is a man made construct then there should be some evidence of the evolution of the concept. Our earliest findings on religion have God present, not some median being that would be a stepping stone between the lack of concept and the full blown concept of God. This to me, is a scientific evidence for the possibility.

Originally posted by Regret
In your opinion. I would disagree, but then, I am on the other side of the debate.

I believe there is evidence, but what I consider evidence would not be well received. You have statements of countless atheists that will disagree with the many religious statements as to the evidence of a God. Atheist statements are biased and as such they hold no more weight than the statement of a person who is religious as to the existence of God. All you have is statements of belief one way or the other. I do not believe that man could come up with the concept of God on his own, there is no evidence of such occurring. Show me the evidence that man is capable of such, there is none. Can you find ancient writings that show the evolution of the concept? There are none, if God is a man made construct then there should be some evidence of the evolution of the concept. Our earliest findings on religion have God present, not some median being that would be a stepping stone between the lack of concept and the full blown concept of God. This to me, is a scientific evidence for the possibility.

The issue with this is...

1. You are talking about history, which at that time is not well documented.

2. Man HAD to invent religion. There was no religion, then you see evidence of one. A new one pops up. Again and again. New customs arise. New gods arise. New concepts of gods arise, specifically addressing the philisophical needs of the time.

3. "I believe there is evidence, but what I consider evidence would not be well received." Well recieved by whom, the community? That tends to point out that your "evidence" is not evidence at all.

God is an illogical concept, it goes against the very nature of nature. It dictates that there is something greater, on some level, in control of it. (if a "god" doesnt do this, it seemingly is not a god, as it has no consequence)

The only thing controlling nature is natural laws.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Hell, the most religion I get anymore is either through my own personal reading when I'm curious about stuff, or here on KMC. So, would that make this forum my church??

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Originally posted by Alliance
The issue with this is...

1. You are talking about history, which at that time is not well documented.

Exactly. There is no historical evidence either way.

Originally posted by Alliance
2. Man HAD to invent religion. There was no religion, then you see evidence of one. A new one pops up. Again and again. New customs arise. New gods arise. New concepts of gods arise, specifically addressing the philisophical needs of the time.

There is no evidence of a period where there was not religion. You make a claim based on absolutely no fact. Man did not HAVE to invent religion, it is a spurious claim with no evidence, "You are talking about history, which at that time is not well documented."

Originally posted by Alliance
3. "I believe there is evidence, but what I consider evidence would not be well received." Well recieved by whom, the community? That tends to point out that your "evidence" is not evidence at all.

And some people claimed the world was round, this wasn't well received by early communities, did "that tends to point out that the "evidence"" for the world being round was "not evidence at all"? Just because people will not accept something does not invalidate it. It may only show ignorance.

Originally posted by Alliance
God is an illogical concept, it goes against the very nature of nature. It dictates that there is something greater, on some level, in control of it. (if a "god" doesnt do this, it seemingly is not a god, as it has no consequence)

The only thing controlling nature is natural laws.

Natural laws are natural laws, claiming God does not mean that natural laws did not exist, at least not from my view. It is illogical to claim a being existed and there was no law governing that existence, God or otherwise, it is not illogical to claim that God exists, and uses these natural laws to do what he does.

Claims against the existence of God have as much support as claims to the existence of such.

I don't believe people really need a church. It's just a gathering place of like minded people, though it has turned into a place of propaganda in some instances..........Like even how a person should vote and told you should! Otherwise leave out the door.

Originally posted by debbiejo
What makes YOUR church the ONE and only one, or is it not the only one, and why do you go there???

Oh, do you need one to feel you are close to what you may the spirit?

Because I'm in it. Sorry, couldn't help myself.

As I've said before, I don't really have a Church. I like Hinduism (mainly Ganesh) for many reasons, it is just a very worthy religion in a conceptual sense to me, and I also like Buddhism in a philosophical sense. I like certain pagan traditions for cultural and narrative reasons. They feel good to me and I enjoy the mythology and the history.

So really it is all very mental for me.