Dr Strange & Clea vs Talisman & Shaman

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Except he literally can pull out anything and everything from his hammerspace. He has multiple dimensions and universes inside his pouch. Actually Talisman was even said to shape a universe, and SHaman did shake the universe.

Talisman was shown to easily control skyfather beings with no trouble at all, your greatly underestimating her.

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I know full well her powers, hell...I downloaded nearly all the Alpha Flight comics for you, remember? I read them all and I'm impressed by af a lot, but she, nor Tali is Strange caliber. Not by a long shot.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No I thought you said Talisman gods that fight through her are nature gods. Eh? no they don't worship them in the same sense as their Northern Gods, as shown and portrayed during Shaman's trials in the Spirit Test. She has absolute control over those spirits, Dr.Strange doesn't

I must say, it's good to know someone is a magic-character fan other than me. It's a bit old doing this by my self.

I don't know if he (or she) has total control over them, but he treated them as though they were far enough below him as to keep them in his basement.

Originally posted by long pig
Strange has alternate dimensions inside his CELL STRUCTURE. Pouch? Phsaaa!

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I know full well her powers, hell...I downloaded nearly all the Alpha Flight comics for you, remember? I read them all and I'm impressed by af a lot, but she, nor Tali is Strange caliber. Not by a long shot.

A pouch that if unchecked could destroy the universe

No you didn't, I downloaded them myself and I had to tell you about the respect thread as you thought Deathstroke could beat Alpha Flight. Shaman no, Talisman definetly.

Northern Gods are what I would call Skyfather or Elder Gods but Strange uses These gods By the Flames of the Faltine!"
"By the Sons of Satannish!"
"By the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth!"
"By the Ruby Rings of Raggadorr!"
"By the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak!"
"By the Vapors of the Vishanti!"
"By the Eye of Agamotto!"
"By the Vapors of Valtorr!"
"By the Images of Ikonn!"
"By the Demons of Denak!"
"By the Fangs of Farallah!"
"By the Mystic Moons of Munnopor!"
"By the Shades of the Seraphim!"
"By the Omnipotent Oshtur!"
"By the fires of Ikthalon!"
"By the Wondrous Winds of Watoomb!" [and] "By the Wondrous Wand of Watoomb

Originally posted by long pig
Oh, miscommunication. But you agree with the fact that turtles are shifty little freaks, correct?

I must say, it's good to know someone is a magic-character fan other than me. It's a bit old doing this by my self.

I use to have three...Michelango, Leonardo, Leonardo II...guess who they were named after?

Indeed, you seem to be absent from the board lately though. Still comp troubles?

Originally posted by long pig
Strange has alternate dimensions inside his CELL STRUCTURE. Pouch? Phsaaa!

Originally posted by golem370
Northern Gods are what I would call Skyfather or Elder Gods but Strange uses These gods By the Flames of the Faltine!"
"By the Sons of Satannish!"
"By the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth!"
"By the Ruby Rings of Raggadorr!"
"By the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak!"
"By the Vapors of the Vishanti!"
"By the Eye of Agamotto!"
"By the Vapors of Valtorr!"
"By the Images of Ikonn!"
"By the Demons of Denak!"
"By the Fangs of Farallah!"
"By the Mystic Moons of Munnopor!"
"By the Shades of the Seraphim!"
"By the Omnipotent Oshtur!"
"By the fires of Ikthalon!"
"By the Wondrous Winds of Watoomb!" [and] "By the Wondrous Wand of Watoomb

Their elder gods, and they even beat a person who Strange stated, “the reemergence of evil, Wong. One that has not seen the light of the sun for centuries—one that I am not certain even I can stop” and dealt with the Ancient One in 1789

Also their not the only elder gods she can control those are examples of her doing it

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
I gotta say, sometimes it's sounds like you just make shit up. Is this actually true?

It's true, he is said to be a god just like Talisman

Vishanti are the most powerful magic use in Marvel

Maybe Gods like Odin

Originally posted by King_Mungi
A pouch that if unchecked could destroy the universe

No you didn't, I downloaded them myself and I had to tell you about the respect thread as you thought Deathstroke could beat Alpha Flight. Shaman no, Talisman definetly.

I soooo did download them for you. I just couldn't give them to you when you needed them. Ya' turncoat.

I read them though.

Shaman? NOOOO. Tali? Nope.

I'm going to ask for any proof...hard proof that Tali is equal to Strange. Feats, man...feats.

Not parable or metaphor.

Originally posted by golem370
Vishanti are the most powerful magic use in Marvel

Witchfire another magical user from Alpha Flight emplores spells from Agamotto and she is said to be below Shaman and Talisman. Just because they can draw magic from them doesn't make it they are them.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
I gotta say, sometimes it's sounds like you just make shit up. Is this actually true?

But does she have the book of all of the Vishanti spells the Talismans of the Vishanti

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Witchfire another magical user from Alpha Flight emplores spells from Agamotto and she is said to be below Shaman and Talisman. Just because they can draw magic from them doesn't make it they are them.

Strange doesn't ask for power, he gets it when he wants it, as much of it as he needs. He's the avatar for the Vishanti, their one and only avatar. He's the one who they have stated that they would(if they could) die for because he's died for them.

Originally posted by long pig
And Strange is so powerful LT had to have him removed because he unbalanced the power structure of the MULTI VERSE!

I soooo did download them for you. I just couldn't give them to you when you needed them. Ya' turncoat.

I read them though.

Shaman? NOOOO. Tali? Nope.

I'm going to ask for any proof...hard proof that Tali is equal to Strange. Feats, man...feats.

Not parable or metaphor.

Talisman is the balance and is a director of forces, not a combatant. Its power is for guiding things, not destroying them as even before she gained the Talisman she was taking and manipulating blasts from Ranaq and all it did was make her stronger. "As the rampart power bristles and cracks across the room. Reality bends, warps, twists, screaming like a living thing stretched on a rack."

No you never did download them for me. I downloaded every single issue, and you didn't even know anything about Alpha Flight until I told you about them.

Most is already in the respect thread, except the Llan trials. Which I will hopefully upload tommorow as it's 1am now

Originally posted by golem370
But does she have the book of all of the Vishanti spells the Talismans of the Vishanti

It's like saying that I'm the Phoenix because I can shoot fire from my hands and say "I'm the phoenix!". I'm no less the real phoenix as Sha' is a real Vishanti Avatar.

Originally posted by golem370
But does she have the book of all of the Vishanti spells the Talismans of the Vishanti

In the Talisman itself, which is kinda alive and feeds her information and spells.

Originally posted by long pig
Well, no.

Strange doesn't ask for power, he gets it when he wants it, as much of it as he needs. He's the avatar for the Vishanti, their one and only avatar. He's the one who they have stated that they would(if they could) die for because he's died for them.

I worded it wrong, but its the exact same as Talisman. She is the avatars of the gods, who knows what that entails. Is it all gods, a select few, etc. It's impossible to predict an outcome as we fully don't know what she is capable of.

Originally posted by long pig
No because she isn't their avatar. At most, she's a leech.

It's like saying that I'm the Phoenix because I can shoot fire from my hands and say "I'm the phoenix!". I'm no less the real phoenix as Sha' is a real Vishanti Avatar.

She has an unlimited spell list inside the Talisman, like I tried to say with prep it's almost impossible to say what she could cook up. Same with what could Shaman pull out of his pouch.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Talisman is the balance and is a director of forces, not a combatant. Its power is for guiding things, not destroying them as even before she gained the Talisman she was taking and manipulating blasts from Ranaq and all it did was make her stronger. "As the rampart power bristles and cracks across the room. Reality bends, warps, twists, screaming like a living thing stretched on a rack."

No you never did download them for me. I downloaded every single issue, and you didn't even know anything about Alpha Flight until I told you about them.

Most is already in the respect thread, except the Llan trials. Which I will hopefully upload tommorow as it's 1am now

And I'm saying Tali isn't equal to Strange.