Yeah I personally didn't want Ichabod with Katrina either...but I don't know if that had more to do with the story...or because Johnny and Christina lacked chemistry so much there was no way I could root for them to be together. I still enjoyed that movie though. I am a Tim and Johnny fan I have enjoyed all of their collabs (I was actually a Tim fan before I became hardcore over Johnny)
That is what is so funny about Sweeney Todd. I had seen the plays and I found the Mrs. Lovett character kind of repulsive and annoying on stage and I was expecting to dislike her in the movie as well, but Helena Bonham Carter was so wonderful and she and Johnny had such great on screen chemistry (among the best he has had IMO) that I was rooting for Mrs. Lovett to somehow get Sweeney Todd even though I knew it was not a good idea for the story or anything...but they were that good together that I wanted it anyway.
In Sleepy Hollow though I almost thought he should let the horseman have Katrina rather than waste his emotions on her because it was just bad all the way around. No romantic tension whatsoever.
OMG i totally agree with everything you just said! but its a good thing they didnt waste much movie time doing crappy love scenes hahaha that would have made the movie very boring IMO because it would have been about ...well fake love which sucks lol but yea in Sweeney the chemistry was great i loved it! i hadnt even ever heard of Todd before the movie so i didnt know it was a play til the movie so i didnt know what to expect. but it was great!
thats really funny because i was a tim fan before the tim and JD collabs too (nightmare before christmas started it all!then edward scissorhands) but yes the collabs are all fantastic!
Ladies, I found out why Johnny is so youthful. This is extracted from ohjohnny.net :
"A revealing insight into why Johnny Depp looks 30 when he's actually 44. For a job in Vancouver the heartthrob's rider included a treadmill, dumbbells and stability ball in his room.
The fridge had to be stocked with blueberries, strawberries, pineapple, kiwi and soy milk.
Well-done chicken breast was requested as well as tuna in spring water with light mayo and six hard-boiled eggs.
Johnny's diet, hotel staff were told, must be low-sodium, not greasy and any dressings must be low-calorie. He was given a bottle of Chateau Haut Brion wine, let's hope he got stuck in."
So, it's just sensible eating and exercise after all!
"The kiss was fine IMO on Johnny's end but he and Heather Graham IMO lacked any real chemistry. I saw the whole movie and it just did not fit IMO in the context of the movie there was no heat developing between her and Abberline and then bam that kiss. It was just like a last minute attempt to add something semi hot into the film I guess. But to me it didn't work at all.
But as I have always maintained I can think of only a few of Johnny's on screen female co stars where he has had palpable chemistry with that wasn't just coming from his own charisma and hotness. Johnny does have the ability to sell anything which is why even crap movies he's in have something redeeming to them. This IMO is true of movies with many of his female co stars who can't keep up with him somehow he is able to make up for it where they are lacking.
The only time IMO where he wasn't able to salvage it in the very least was in Sleepy Hollow with Christina Ricci. That was just terrible romantic chemistry."------selina
I agree. He is often paired with "lesser" actresses and we wouldn't be so interested in the same love story if someone else played the male lead. Sleepy Hollow is a great example. He and Christina Ricci made a fun team, like when they all find the tree together, but the romance was side-stepped.
So far, I would say that...oh, what's her name...the girl in Benny and Joon, is a good match for him. She nailed that role and created a lot of the chemistry between her and Johnny's character. They seemed equals. Juliette Lewis also did that in What's Eating Gilbert Grape. And of course, I think Keira manages to achieve an equal footing with him, but I'm a little biased.
Originally posted by To Freedom😂 It's, like, everything!
Ladies, I found out why Johnny is so youthful. This is extracted from ohjohnny.net :"A revealing insight into why Johnny Depp looks 30 when he's actually 44. For a job in Vancouver the heartthrob's rider included a treadmill, dumbbells and stability ball in his room.
The fridge had to be stocked with blueberries, strawberries, pineapple, kiwi and soy milk.
Well-done chicken breast was requested as well as tuna in spring water with light mayo and six hard-boiled eggs.
Johnny's diet, hotel staff were told, must be low-sodium, not greasy and any dressings must be low-calorie. He was given a bottle of Chateau Haut Brion wine, let's hope he got stuck in."
So, it's just sensible eating and exercise after all!
I didn't get that last bit, maybe. 😕
Did you know people look completely different just from moving to a different city right away, or if they know they are going to move?
Originally posted by willofthewispI did notice that. I think it is because he is a popular older actor for the generation's theme, be the situation pathetic for some atm. They are actually looking for the potential person like Vanessa Carlton to bring out their spirit in the pop world. Moreso for childhood fans of JD.
"The kiss was fine IMO on Johnny's end but he and Heather Graham IMO lacked any real chemistry. I saw the whole movie and it just did not fit IMO in the context of the movie there was no heat developing between her and Abberline and then bam that kiss. It was just like a last minute attempt to add something semi hot into the film I guess. But to me it didn't work at all.But as I have always maintained I can think of only a few of Johnny's on screen female co stars where he has had palpable chemistry with that wasn't just coming from his own charisma and hotness. Johnny does have the ability to sell anything which is why even crap movies he's in have something redeeming to them. This IMO is true of movies with many of his female co stars who can't keep up with him somehow he is able to make up for it where they are lacking.
The only time IMO where he wasn't able to salvage it in the very least was in Sleepy Hollow with Christina Ricci. That was just terrible romantic chemistry."------selina
I agree. He is often paired with "lesser" actresses and we wouldn't be so interested in the same love story if someone else played the male lead. Sleepy Hollow is a great example. He and Christina Ricci made a fun team, like when they all find the tree together, but the romance was side-stepped.
So far, I would say that...oh, what's her name...the girl in Benny and Joon, is a good match for him. She nailed that role and created a lot of the chemistry between her and Johnny's character. They seemed equals. Juliette Lewis also did that in What's Eating Gilbert Grape. And of course, I think Keira manages to achieve an equal footing with him, but I'm a little biased.
I have not seen Benny and Joon yet cannot find a copy at my local video stores but I have seen clips and I saw pretty good chem in the clips. Juliette Lewis bugs the hell out of me but I need to see What's Eating Gilbert Grape.
And though the scenes were sort of hot in Blow I don't think he and Penelope had the strongest chemistry either. She's pretty much bad in anything that isn't a spanish language movie from what I've seen though.
I think the best on screen chem Johnny has had from the movies I have seen is definitely with JB in Chocolat, HBC in Sweeney Todd, and CT in the Astronaut's Wife though that was an abysmally bad film.
The rest have been pretty bad to me.
I thought Johnny looked uncomfortable during the Sparrabeth kiss, JMO. I don't think he had great chem with Keira. She's not on par with him as far as the acting craft goes IMO. She chews scenery to assert her presence on screen where as he dominates the screen with his natural charisma and that clashed for me.
Selina, you just don't really like actresses in general, huh? 😉
I do think keira has done the best job aside from Juliette Binoche holding her own with him. Juliette is unique because she is actually closer to his age and film type... and perhaps it was simply the writing, but Johnny sort of disappears in that film. he's really lovely but in a quiet, background kind of way. he's hardly in it at all, and his character really has very little personality that we get to see. It's Juliette's film.
I was always very impressed with Keira holding her ground against all these FANTASTIC male actors... Johnny Depp in his most iconic role ever, and then Geoffrey Rush, Tom Hollander, Jack Davenport, Chow Yun Fat,--- it's quite a line up. She had to toughen up and be a bit obnoxious to play with the big boys, so to speak. I mean, Johnny could have chemistry with a paper bag, he's so sensual by nature, but Keira really convinced me of the chemistry between Elizabeth and Jack, in the witty banter and sexual innuendo.
I honestly have not seen most of JD's films... I saw Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and simply HATED it... Chocolat is one of my all time favs... and POTC. I wasn't that impressed by Finding Neverland, but I'd have to see it again to remember what I thought of Johnny. Kate Winslet stole that film for me.
I guess I have to see Chocolat. I'm not a Juliette Binoche fan, but I should be fair and watch it anyway.
Juliette Lewis can be really annoying, selina, but in What's Eating Gilbert Grape, as Becky, she's like the only bright light in Gilbert's life. She's such a free spirit and so accepting of his brother that you can't help but like her and they have great chemistry because she plays such an outgoing girl and Gilbert is very reserved and sort of stuck in his own world. But they click and it's a very sweet relationship.
I had to get used to Keira's voice the first few films I saw her in. She can be harsh when she doesn't mean to at times, especially in King Arthur. That would have been a great movie with just a little tweaking, but she was good in it. She's great at being tough and dishing it out with the guys, but I was convinced of how good she is when I saw Pride and Prejudice. She has to be very soft and vulnerable in a few scenes and she does it. She's a tough girl in it, but there are times when that is turned off and she's "naked" before the camera. She also had chemistry with Mathew McFayden or however he spells his name.
Only 2 PMs for best kiss, guys! And they're not for the same movie, so we have a tie. That simply won't do.
I actually don't have a favorite actress now that you mention it, but I do recognize good actresses versus poor ones and I have actually watched a wide array of films both foreign and domestic and have even studied film a bit in school and I sometimes track a particular actor through different films to see what their tics and weaknesses are.
IMO Keira Knightley's weakness is she's a scenery chewer. She overdoes it. Prime example is anytime she is given a monologue. She yells in a really weird unflattering way. She doesn't know how to give words meaning and subtext without yelling or whispering. She falls back on those two techniques everytime. You can see that especially in any argument she's had with a male charcater in the Pirates series IMO. She doesn't know how to dominate a scene without yelling. She is young and that could go away with time. She also pouts whenever she is supposed to be being sexy...basically she relies on the same devices in each role. That's why in all the movies I've seen her in her characters are not that distinctive to me.
This is also why I adore Johnny Depp's acting so much because his characters ARE so distinctive. You would never confuse Sweeney Todd with Willy Wonka with Captain Jack. They're all different because Johnny doesn't rely on the same acting techniques all the time he creates these characters and gives them their own independent characteristics that define them as completely separate people. He also rarely chews the scenery. But he is able to rely more on his natural charisma to carry things than having to actual shout or do ridiculous overacting to draw attention to himself in a scene. He knows how to draw an audience into what he is saying and doing with very subtle things, his eyes being the thing I think he is best with drawing people in with. Johnny has the ability to not say a word and dominate the scene and a lot of actors don't.
Another prime example of that is Will Smith. His main problem IMO as an actor is he has TOO much charisma to the point where it is hard for him to disappear in the roles and NOT be Will Smith. But Will Smith doesn't have to do much for you to pay attention to him on screen because he has that natural quality about him and he can draw you in without doing much at all.
Keira has not developed that ability yet.
I also noticed that neither has Orlando Bloom. He is also a bit of a scenery chewer. He can't attract attention to himself without yelling either it seems. And this is why more than anyone people remember Captain Jack Sparrow from the series because Johnny's natural charisma couldn't even be outshined by Keira and Orlando's scenery chewing that they did in scenes with Johnny. Notice that in Willabeth scenes there is hardly any scenery chewing they're both fairly dialed down but put either of them in a scene with Johnny and they are pouring it on, but Johnny pretty much stays even all the way through the movie because he doesn't have to do anything extra, people pay attention to him naturally. That is why I do not think Keira is on par with him. She had to do extra just to demand attention in scenes with him.
Just my drawn out 2 cents
Definitely room to grow, I'll agree with you there, especially about Orlando.
You're probably right about Keira, and I'm not crazy about how she delivered her monologue in AWE, although I'm glad they gave one to her. Here's the thing: like someone said earlier, she has to toughen up to play a pirate next to the likes to Johnny and Geoffrey. She also is playing a character who has things in common with Jack, but is not Jack. So in a way, her yelling/whispering goes well with Elizabeth imo. She has to yell sometimes to get her point across and other times a whisper is all it will take. Consider her scene with Chow. She's not whispering or yelling yet she's holding her own and making a pretty valid point.
Maybe "trying" to be sexy will come later. If I'm trying to be sexy, I will do things with my mouth, set my jaw a certain way, perhaps pout. From some interviews, she seems insecure about her body still and that may prevent her from using the rest of her body. That should come with maturity.
Wow...I feel the need to talk about Johnny now.
Holy moses y'all--now there's some ground been covered here what bears repeating--kinda like the players/scorecard motif...
Charleize(?)Therion (Monster) + J. Depp
Christina Ricci--Sleepy Hollow
Man Who Cried
Mary Stuart Masterson--Benny and Joon (YEA!! Go team!! W00w00)
Penelope Cruz--Blow
Juliette Binoche--Chocolate
Heather Graham--From Hell
Rosamund Pike--Libertine
Samantha Morton
Juliette Lewis--Gilbert Grape
Winona Ryder--Scissorhands
Kate Winslett (no relationship--J. Barrie was a man who never grew up)
Arizona Dream--Faye Dunway
Secret Window--Maria Bello
know I missed some--no worries--got my fave's--flowersWinona was pretty sweet--Mary Stuart Masterson, also sweet--inlovereal grownup Love, sexy and leading to Something, gotta be Binoche and Dunway--whipsexy love--yucko gotta go with Cruz, any woman wearing a leather who the heck knows and a dog collar and in the room with Mr. Depp, trying to be inside his skin and, by the way, snorting copious quantities of cocaine, definitely rates as tawdry naughty sexiness right?
Keira--she is a right little tart--all the boys had to just be in love with her--she's young, she's naive (maybe not that much, but still she started out as a 17 year old who had little experience with such magnificent talents), she's cute as a bug's ear or all my fellow piratistas, reminded them (Orlando's closest to her age right and he's like a half a hair less twice as old)of sisters, daughters, racy fantasy....She could be rode hard, put up wet, didn't whine, (sword)played with all the other kids very nicely, kept up her end of the deal....gotta love it just for the weight she bore on this. Gotta love those good to go women
compendiums ain't they something? Worth exactly what you paid for this and IMHO totally. Lord, then there's BonBon!! Also, you gotta love it when a man does the alpha male dominance kiss--it's a knee buckler, heart pounder, glazy eyed wonder!!
Keira did not have to whisper or yell. There are OTHER acting techniques that can be applied to imply toughness. There are different ways a person can come across as tough because there are different layers of toughness. Keira chose to yell and whisper like she does in several roles because she hasn't grown in her craft and that is the only way she knows how to accomplish being tough or to command attention in a scene.
I'll give you a different example...Linda Hamilton in Terminator. Up against Arnold Schwarzenegger. Not a great actor at all, but he has a charisma about him and he comes across as tough as hell and intimidating and he played a killer robot. She was able to come across as tough, and yet vulnerable enough to be believable as a woman without screaming and yelling the entire time. She employed other acting techniques and was able to come across as just as tough and lethal as a killer robot in a movie without coming across as overbearing or a harpy.
That is the mark actually of a good female action hero. That is why we have so few good female action heroes because it is hard to balance being tough and believable without going overboard and seeming ridiculous and chewing the scenery. That's why a lot of fans scoffed at the idea of Elizabeth being this bad ass pirate because Keira Knightley was not able to pull that off with her performance. If you look at a lot of criticism other places as I have you will see many people's complaints about AWE and even DMC is that the Elizabeth character's transformation from a resourceful damsel in distress into a kick ass pirate was just not believable. And part of that is the writer's fault but Keira wasn't able to make up for that either in the acting department.
Now Linda Hamilton, she was able to pull off being a believable kick ass woman who could take down a killer robot in between Terminator 1 and 2. And she didn't have to yell and scream to hold her own in scenes with the killer robots because she portrayed her toughness in other ways.
Once Keira learns how to inject some subtext into some of her performances and do subtler things to get her points across as an actress I am sure that she is going to be able to play her roles more convincingly. As long as she continues to fall back on the same types of things over and over again then she won't grow.
OH JOHNNY!!!!!!!! SWOOOOOOOONN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (for the sake of the lovefest)
I agree that Keira is polarizing. I love her. Absolutely. No matter what she does. I did think, actually, that her performance in AWE was very much influenced by what she went through in Domino. It made her harsher as a performer. In COTBP she isn't harsh at all. I think she picked up some tricks on Domino and just kept them around during AWE that made her seem much harsher. just a theory. But she is lovely in P and P--- she IS the Elizabeht Bennet I've always imagined.
PLEASE see Atonement, Willo. Keira's character may be difficult to like at times, but she performs it STUNNINGLY. best performance of hers to date, and SERIOUS chemistry with the other love of my life, James McAvoy.
Tex, you just had a smiley-guy with a WHIP. Excuse me while i CRACK UP!!!!!!
Johnny sometimes type-plays, but not always. In the films I have seen of his, certain characters bear eerie resemblance to one another. HOWEVER< I am very much okay with that because I love when Johnny plays an enigmatic gypsy person.
PS sorry for all the capitals--- don't want to sound like I'm shouting...
I think the only times Johnny's characters bear resemblences to each other is when the resemblences are based on things that are just Johnny Depp themselves. Such as how his voice sounds etc. He still gives each character their own unique things that are very different from each other so you can separate them.
For example Inspector Abberline and Sweeney Todd have very similar accents and sound a lot alike but that's because Johnny is doing both of them in a british accent, but the characters themselves are very very different in the way Johnny plays them.