Link vs. Samus

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Originally posted by MadMel
link may be powerful, but hes only mortal...in comparison to samus he's also fairly slow..
your dark - light thing is slightly flawed 😬..firstly, the darkburst is not a shadow, but a dimensional rift,
Prove it. Does no one else see the flaw in lettign her fire dimensional rifts around? 😛 The entire dark beam concept is an odd one, to be sure, but shadows are the closest thing I can scientificly produce to mimic it. And oyu ignored that the shield reflects things it normally shouldn't anyway. (Magic, Fire, Ice, ect..)

And How is he slow compared to Samus? Link's established as super human.

and it doesnt need to be aimed at link, just an area near him, and he'll be sucked to his doom..it is highly unlikely that hell be able to reflect the shield (even if it were possible), as it would take him before it reached him..
We already established it is not a black hole. Also, it's a powerful weapon, but it's hardly going to damage Link without a direct hit, nor is it likely to pull him off balance. The pull of those blasts were relatively weak in MP:2 and they only even damaged creatures they hit. And they didn't always suck them in, either, unless it was an instant kill. Link =/= generic space pirate.. Lol. Not to mention the rate of fire on those is pathetic.

he could use one of his items to weigh him down, making him harder to sucked in, but then he's at the mercy of samus' other weapons..id like to see him avoid both the suction of the darkburst and the wide/plasma/wave beam from fusion, or the sonic boom with his normal speed and reflexes, let alone with the weight his heavier items draging him down..
even if the mirror sheild was somehow a threat to samus, she can use the grapple beam's lasso function to rip it out of his hands.. [/B]

Just because ripping shields off of space pirates in MP:3 worked doesn't mean it'd work on Link. If anything, she'd end up with a face full of angry green clad sword wielder and die. GG on pulling the angry kid with a knife in closer to yourself.

Besides which point, the Dark Burst is so slow it's entirely Negligible and should be taken out of this argument altogehter. It takes awhile to charge, and would be far too easy to dodge if the enemy AI worked that way. By the time it's even ready to fire, Samus=sworded. Most of Samus' beam weapons either would do negligible damage to Link or are mirrorshield applicable. And if they're not, he has either a spell or piece of armour to protect himself.

Essentially, if he gets close, she's screwed. And he will, he always does. Another important factor in this argument is Link's durability. It's gone sort of ignored so far, but his base durability is waay up there. If Ganondorf can *obliterate* a sage by punching it, what to you think he can do with a hefty sword swing in his large beastly form? (Think OOT.) If he has the power to tear down an entire castle while theoreticly on his death bed, and yet Link can survive a hit from his most powerful blasts, how can Samus hope to kill Link before he gets in her face and swords her?

Claw/long/hookshot to swording. GAME.
Walk up while her beam charges and sword her. GAME.
Hold up the mirrorshield and wait a minute. GAME.
Pull out the bow, side step the darkburst you're all in love with freeeze her, then walk up to her with the megaton hammer (or ball and chain), and smash her into Samuscicles... or sword her. GAME.

Light arrow=ruined visors. she's blind, quick, SWORD HER. Game..

She has some advantage at range, but not enough to win this for her. Link's tenacity, resourcfulness, endless pocket full of gizmoes, and section of a relic containing deific power are just too much for technology alone to counter. This win goes to Link.

Actually, I'm amazed no one has discussed the setting at all. New York city. This gives Link another advantage, plenty of cover. Plenty.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Prove it. Does no one else see the flaw in lettign her fire dimensional rifts around? 😛 The entire dark beam concept is an odd one, to be sure, but shadows are the closest thing I can scientificly produce to mimic it. And oyu ignored that the shield reflects things it normally shouldn't anyway. (Magic, Fire, Ice, ect..)
its in the games description..the darkburst is a dimensional rift, and like i said, he wont be able to reflect it because hell either be sucked in beforehand or obliterated by her other weaponry

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
And How is he slow compared to Samus? Link's established as super human.
so its samus..she was given chozo blood, giving her superhuman speed, strength and agility..the fact that the speed booster makes her fast enough to barge through solid rock and steel (or whatever other metal the people in metroid universe use) walls like nothing makes her beyond link in speed..

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
We already established it is not a black hole. Also, it's a powerful weapon, but it's hardly going to damage Link without a direct hit, nor is it likely to pull him off balance. The pull of those blasts were relatively weak in MP:2 and they only even damaged creatures they hit. And they didn't always suck them in, either, unless it was an instant kill. Link =/= generic space pirate.. Lol. Not to mention the rate of fire on those is pathetic.
link would actually be quite lighter than the average space pirate, and probably less durable, and will be sucked in quite nicely..the fact that most enemies needed killing first is due to gameplay and that a lot of them were much heavier than link..

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Just because ripping shields off of space pirates in MP:3 worked doesn't mean it'd work on Link. If anything, she'd end up with a face full of angry green clad sword wielder and die. GG on pulling the angry kid with a knife in closer to yourself.
prove that it will suddenly inexplicably not work on link when it has successfully worked on enemies as strong or stronger?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Besides which point, the Dark Burst is so slow it's entirely Negligible and should be taken out of this argument altogehter. It takes awhile to charge, and would be far too easy to dodge if the enemy AI worked that way. By the time it's even ready to fire, Samus=sworded. Most of Samus' beam weapons either would do negligible damage to Link or are mirrorshield applicable. And if they're not, he has either a spell or piece of armour to protect himself.
none of which he could use in time..link may be good, but hes not the flash..he wont even get close to blocking her weaponry if she fired something really fast like the wave combo beam or the sonic boom..

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Essentially, if he gets close, she's screwed. And he will, he always does. Another important factor in this argument is Link's durability. It's gone sort of ignored so far, but his base durability is waay up there. If Ganondorf can *obliterate* a sage by punching it, what to you think he can do with a hefty sword swing in his large beastly form? (Think OOT.) If he has the power to tear down an entire castle while theoreticly on his death bed, and yet Link can survive a hit from his most powerful blasts, how can Samus hope to kill Link before he gets in her face and swords her?
link WONT sword her...how hard is it to understand that a piece of steel, no matter how endowed, will not not breach an armor that took missiles and giant lasers without damaging samus?..if he ever gets close, which is highly unlikely, he screw attack him to death..link is admitedly wuite durable, but that doesnt mean he can suddenly become immune to missiles and lasers without his magic..

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Claw/long/hookshot to swording. GAME.
none of these will work an samus' armor, and if she did get close - screw attack = dead link..

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Walk up while her beam charges and sword her. GAME.
sword wont hurt her, and she lets off an uncharged shot, which would probably kill link anyway, and if he did somehow get close she can screw attack him to death..

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Hold up the mirrorshield and wait a minute. GAME.

wont stop darkburst, she grapple lassos, shoots any weapon she desires and he dies..

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Pull out the bow, side step the darkburst you're all in love with freeeze her, then walk up to her with the megaton hammer (or ball and chain), and smash her into Samuscicles... or sword her. GAME.
he wouldnt dodge the darburst if she fired it, unless he was at least 30 metres away..in which case she wave beams his ass before he shoots her with the arrow...dead link

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Light arrow=ruined visors. she's blind, quick, SWORD HER. Game..
sword wont hurt her, and she wont get blinded if she uses her visors..again, if he gets close, screw attack = dead link

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
She has some advantage at range, but not enough to win this for her. Link's tenacity, resourcfulness, endless pocket full of gizmoes, and section of a relic containing deific power are just too much for technology alone to counter. This win goes to Link.

😂 you have done nothing but spout titles and use game play feats..these will not work...samus has the advantage of speed, range, and raw destructive power the likes of which link has never faced..

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Actually, I'm amazed no one has discussed the setting at all. New York city. This gives Link another advantage, plenty of cover. Plenty.

powerbomb + shooting to distract OR grapple beam = dead link

or maybe while he's running for his life samus can call her ship to blow him to pieces 😬

link cannot win this fight..he simply doesnt have the speed to use his defences against samus' weaponry, or the durability to take the hits when they come..

I've actually made a few good points and you've not countered them, only said "no!".

And the grapple beam on Link's shield would just pull him to her, and she'd get sworded. I doubt VERY highly a space pirate compares in any way with Link. Also, the master sword is the most powerful sword inthe Nintendo universe, you're ignoring it's a powerful magic artifact. My +6 vorpal bastard sword of pwnsauce>Your +5 full plate of underwater breathing. /geektastic DnD joke.

They're both super human, but chozo blood does not stack up next to chosen of a godess and holder of a sacred relic representign her power. .. With a pointy piece of *magic* steel. The great thing about magic is it works outside logical debate, if Link can reflect things that cannot be reflected, he can certainyl reflect something composed mostly of somethign that *can* Darkburst=composed mostly of dark beam. Shield is also magic. And the claw shot/hookshot/longshot don't have to hurt samus, just grab her and pull Link to her. So he can sword her.

Yes, samus has feats on her side as well, but they don't stack up to Link's..

and Yeah, she can run quick, but reflexes>general speed. (as was stated in the Dante vs Kratos thread)

There's no way Samus is winning this. You've painted a picture like Link is your typical human with a knife, false. Link's gear is technicly archaic, but underestimating him is just another geat way to end up sworded.

A light arrow would fry her visors.

An ice arrow would imprison and immobilise her temporarily.

The master sword would sword her.

These points are not areguable.

I've read around a bit and from what i can tell, you just don't like Link, MadMel. oO;

Most things that come out of her arm cannon = mirror shield applicable.

One uncharged shot would probably barely harm Link. He's not some pushover.

This is a competition of all gear from all games, correct? Link instantly wins this no contest, I've been arguing my points in a way to make this fair for samus because it really isn't. If Link has all his gear though, he can just use Nayru's love/magic armour, grapple her in whatever way seems most convenient while she fires her various weapons with no effect whatsoever, then sword her.

There's no way she can stop it other than to run away.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I've actually made a few good points and you've not countered them, only said "no!".
no, youbve jsut refused to read my posts properly 😬

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
And the grapple beam on Link's shield would just pull him to her, and she'd get sworded.
prove it

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I doubt VERY highly a space pirate compares in any way with Link. Also, the master sword is the most powerful sword inthe Nintendo universe, you're ignoring it's a powerful magic artifact.
no, you're overhyping it..its a strong piece of metal that is super effective against evil..it is not going to do squat against an armour that withstands lasers of immense power

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
They're both super human, but chozo blood does not stack up next to chosen of a godess and holder of a sacred relic representign her power
except that link has NEVER shown anything..just saying that he is empowered by the gods doesnt make him automatically stronger or faster than samus when he has shown no proof of either, other than goran wrestling

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
With a pointy piece of *magic* steel. The great thing about magic is it works outside logical debate, if Link can reflect things that cannot be reflected, he can certainyl reflect something composed mostly of somethign that *can* Darkburst=composed mostly of dark beam.
the damn thing will suck link in BEFORE it touches his shield, how hard is that to understand?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Shield is also magic. And the claw shot/hookshot/longshot don't have to hurt samus, just grab her and pull Link to her. So he can sword her.
you still havent shown any proof other than "ITZ A MAGIKK SWORDD!!" that indicates the master swords can break samus' defenses

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Yes, samus has feats on her side as well, but they don't stack up to Link's..
irrelevant..why did you bring this up?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
and Yeah, she can run quick, but reflexes>general speed. (as was stated in the Dante vs Kratos thread)
well no shit..the problem is, link has not demonstrated that he can dodge anything faster than an arrow..

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
There's no way Samus is winning this. You've painted a picture like Link is your typical human with a knife, false.

i never did that..i said he is a slightly super human with powerful weapons..unfortunately, these wont work against samus, as ive proved several times already..besides, it doesnt compare to you making samus out like shes a clinically retard girl in a stormtrooper suit 😬

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Link's gear is technicly archaic, but underestimating him is just another geat way to end up sworded.
which wont happen to samus..

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
A light arrow would fry her visors.
prove it...oh wait, you cant...the arrow will bounce off her helmet, and the light can be canceled out by infrared, or in actuality, any visor she cares to choose..

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
An ice arrow would imprison and immobilise her temporarily.
if it hit, and then only maybe..samus goes out of her way to dodge missiles and beams, but she cant dodge an arrow?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The master sword would sword her.
you have NEVER proven this, so stop spouting it like its fact..

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
These points are not areguable.
actually they are, since the only proof you have provided to back up these claims are "BECAZ ITS MAGIK AND BECAZ I SAYZ SO!!!"..post proof or get out..

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I've read around a bit and from what i can tell, you just don't like Link, MadMel. oO;
i can tell you now i like LOZ much more than metroid

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Most things that come out of her arm cannon = mirror shield applicable.
you have not PROVEN this..just saying it doesnt make it true

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
One uncharged shot would probably barely harm Link. He's not some pushover.
hes an empowered human who can still get hurt from arrows and swords..one charged shot would burn the living hell out of him and definitely keep him occupied long enough for samus to finish him..

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
This is a competition of all gear from all games, correct? Link instantly wins this no contest, I've been arguing my points in a way to make this fair for samus because it really isn't. If Link has all his gear though, he can just use Nayru's love/magic armour, grapple her in whatever way seems most convenient while she fires her various weapons with no effect whatsoever, then sword her.

yea, because he can do all this before she fires a wavebeam/sonic boom and insta kill him 🙄

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
There's no way he can stop it other than to run away.
fixed..

until you provide actual proof to back up your absurd claims, and actually read my posts properly, im done here..

You didn't read mine I suppose the argument works both ways. Nayru's love>sonic boom/whatever else she chooses to throw at him then he just swords her.

Prove otherwise.

and other than *throwing* a massive goron in plate armour. THROWING. He also *Threw* large pillars of stone that had to weigh around 60-70 tons once he got the golden gauntlets. And if you don't liek the mastersword, the magic sword ala the first LoZ game. Nothing says it's especially evil prefering in it's skewerable list.

Reflex feats=all over the windwaker games. Infact, the killshot on Ganon is reflex based.

I have provided proof. In all of my posts and valid reasoning. You've said sumus' armour is tough, and her dark beam would suck him in. I agree her armour is tough, but far from impenetrable. Link can *throw* things that Samus would be incapable of getting up from under.

And yes, I've said ZOMG MAGIK SWORDZZ!1one, but counter that claim? The sword is clearly magic, and it does clearly go unharmed and uneroded for centuries atleast.

And how would you like them to power up Link without breaking gameplay? I think the heart meter and progressively more impressive feats carried out throuh the games as you get more powerful illustrate that there is *something* speciual about him.

Samus is not a retarded storm trooper, lol. She's just not equiped to handle a fully geared Link. It's not fair, he gets temporary invincibility, herculean strength, magic weapons out the ass.

And proving the arrows would work? Go play MP:1 and fight a sheegoth. You'll get frozen. A bomb shelter can resist nukes, but it still gets covered in ice in the winter. An ice arrow is a burts of magic that encases the target. Samus can be as laser surviving as she likes, the's still goign to have to deal with a bunch of ice materialising around her.

Fact ^.

With Link's rediculous strength and the magic/magic weapons at his disposal, and the high level of cover granted by NEw York, she's just not in a fair situation to compete.

A charge shot would hurt if she hit him, but while she charges it he can just knock and loose an arrow, lift his shield, or hold said shield up while he approaches. An uncharged shot would barely affect him.

And I'm gonna play the same card you did when I pointed out that random wild life in the metroid games can harm Samus, Gameplay. If Link can survive a blow from Ganon's sword. (Canon fact.) He's got some pretty intense durability on his side. Samus' durability is mostly in her suit, which is an armoured powersuit, but it's not totally infallible. Ridley can clearly harm her, what stops Link?

And MadMel if my arguments are just a bunch of "NO U!"'s..

How does she counter Nayru's love to hookshot to sword? or Nayru's love to ice arrow to sword?

Dark burst=too slow to hit Link anyway. And if it did suck in everythign it touched why did Samus even need doors, and how coem there weren't holes clear through the planet? Why didn't it one shot minibosses? Link could stand up to that attack if he had to, but he wouldn't because it takes too long to charge and moves too slowly.

Even if it did suck him towards it, his shield would touch first. The shield would not get sucked in, Prove that it would? It can reflect things that aren't reflectable, Darkness in the closest scitentificly emulatable form, is, regarldess of whether or not it's a rift, or negative space or whatever it is you would like to argue it has a form composed of somethign a regular mirror can reflect the general essence of, a magic shield to do just that somehow can't?

In fiction, and we ARE arguing fiction, hence magic.. Whenever magic meets technology it seems to override it and generally defy the laws of nature. We've seen it supress technology, empower technology and a million othe things, but the magic force is always dominant. Unless you count like, ghost busters.

Imo, the shield wins, but that's not even important because it would never hit Link. He would not have bad space pirate omgcan'tdodge AI. 😛

Link ftw

Using Link's fights against Ganon are stupid because any time Link beats Ganon even with the Master Sword it is automatically PIS.

Samus pwns

Samus would just use her gravity suit and jump in lava.
Link wouldn't know where samus is and if he tries to find her he would die.

Also everyone suspect that the shield link has will block everything.
A ingle super misile will split the sield in half

lol Goodbye sock account.

Please let this thread die again. I argued this match on SWF for like a month against fans so rabbid they make BT look sane and reserved.

With pleasure.

And yeah, I know what ya mean about SWF. ugh

Hah. 🙂