Iceman and Magneto vs. Thor and Silver Surfer

Started by Jesse716 pages
Originally posted by bigbran
But in another thread. You have claimed he was an actual abstract. I remember arguing with you just for that.

Find the post, because I have argued that pre-crisis supes was at abstract level power, and that post crisis supes is abstract level in importance along with DS.

And if I did just say "PC supes is at Abstract level" then please check the context because I intended for it to be abstract level of power.

Originally posted by Validus
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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Are you dense or what?

Coming from the guy who thinks PC Supes is abstract level in power? What does that make Green Lantern, who one shotted PC Superman with ease? PC Black Adam whipped Superman and Captain Marvel at the same time. Guess he's multiversal in power. 😂

Originally posted by Validus
Coming from the guy who thinks PC Supes is abstract level in power? What does that make Green Lantern, who one shotted PC Superman with ease? PC Black Adam whipped Superman and Captain Marvel at the same time. Guess he's multiversal in power. 😂

I stated at Pc Supes highest showings he was abstract level in power, not at his lower showings such as when he was saved by hostess Twinkies.

Originally posted by Jesse7
I stated at Pc Supes highest showings he was abstract level in power, not at his lower showings such as when he was saved by hostess Twinkies.

PC Supes highest showings are not even as good as Odin's highest showings. Spectre, an actual abstract level guy, told Superman he punched like a girl.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Find the post, because I have argued that pre-crisis supes was at abstract level power, and that post crisis supes is abstract level in importance along with DS.

And if I did just say "PC supes is at Abstract level" then please check the context because I intended for it to be abstract level of power.

I'll find some more later.
that actually have you saying he is.
Originally posted by Jesse7
By the way current Supes is much higher in purpose and existence then an abstract, as he and DS are neccisary to the source for all existence to "exist".

Pc Supes had Abstract power level and beyond, could chaos or order effortlessly destroy a universe/reality?

Current Supes in impotance and purpose is beyond universal abstracutuality

Originally posted by bigbran
Shutup.
You said he was at that level. Which is plenty bad enough.

Don't insult me, just to tell me something.

Well ur the one not reading what I"m writing. And what is so bad about saying he was abstract in lvl. He did stuff that abstracts do. ON this board we have taken Sky father to mean anyone we dont' want to be abstract. Which is not the case. True Sky fathers could affect at most solar systems. They were god's. The leader of a pantheon of Gods. In fact, God's as in thier original intent, had power over abstracts. Death meant nothing to a God like Zeus. He was beyond it's wrealm and could if he wanted, make every single person within his influence, immortal if he so wished. abstact is a concept for something that is. Like destruction. Desctruction is an abstract. But Someone like Superman could halt destruction with in his given area of influence. PC superman could do anything the writer could dream up. His power was abstact in the fact that it was only limited by the imagination of the writer. There was no editorial restraint on what he could and couldn't do. His power lvls were abstract.

Originally posted by Validus
Coming from the guy who thinks PC Supes is abstract level in power? What does that make Green Lantern, who one shotted PC Superman with ease? PC Black Adam whipped Superman and Captain Marvel at the same time. Guess he's multiversal in power. 😂

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Well ur the one not reading what I"m writing. And what is so bad about saying he was abstract in lvl.

The fact that it's a lie.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He did stuff that abstracts do.

No, he did stuff that skyfathers do at his absolute best. Of course, DCU skyfathers were and are still well beyond him.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ON this board we have taken Sky father to mean anyone we dont' want to be abstract.

WTF are you talking about? Sounds like casting your personal views on the entire board.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
True Sky fathers could affect at most solar systems.

Despite showings of "true" skyfathers affecting a galaxy? I like how you totally defined what skyfather level is.

The rest of your post is filled with too much garbage to respond to.

Originally posted by Validus
The fact that it's a lie.

No, he did stuff that skyfathers do at his absolute best. Of course, DCU skyfathers were and are still well beyond him.

WTF are you talking about? Sounds like casting your personal views on the entire board.

Despite showings of "true" skyfathers affecting a galaxy? I like how you totally defined what skyfather level is.

The rest of your post is filled with too much garbage to respond to.

I could simply think the same of what u have to say about me. Every thing you said was garbage. You see how easy that was. Your opinion on what I had to say does not make it any more garbage than what I have to say about you. You can say what you like, until you show me the difference in abstract lvl power and sky father power that you seem to knwo the line so well, then i'm going with the fact that PC superman was abstract in power lvl. he did what ever he wanted. You see how easily you can define what abstract and sky father is?

Val:

Originally posted by batdude123
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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I could simply think the same of what u have to say about me. Every thing you said was garbage. You see how easy that was. Your opinion on what I had to say does not make it any more garbage than what I have to say about you. You can say what you like, until you show me the difference in abstract lvl power and sky father power that you seem to knwo the line so well, then i'm going with the fact that PC superman was abstract in power lvl. he did what ever he wanted. You see how easily you can define what abstract and sky father is?

I haven't defined any level champ. I bring facts and leave the unsupported opinions and nonsensical assertions for you since that seems to be your shtick.

What we know for a fact is that skyfather level guys such as Odin tend to fail against what we consider abstract level beings such as Eternity or the Infinity Gauntlet. You want to tell me I'm wrong here?

Originally posted by batdude123
Val:

Are you trying to say something?

Originally posted by Validus
Are you trying to say something?

No, just that scan. Pre-C Superman's craziest feats put him at skyfather level. 'Nuff said. He wasn't an abstract. It's completely retarded to say that.

Originally posted by batdude123
No, just that scan. Pre-C Superman's craziest feats put him at skyfather level. 'Nuff said. He wasn't an abstract. It's completely retarded to say that.

Tell that to the boys who think moving a few planets means you're ready to challenge The Spectre.

Originally posted by Validus
Tell that to the boys who think moving a few planets means you're ready to challenge The Spectre.

Spectre would get smoked...

Originally posted by Jesse7
He's shown this when?



If hes able to make Owen Reese into a normal human who should be multiversal in power become normal human again, I dont see why he could'nt do it to a mutant.... SS didnt do it dough since his a really nice guy but Owen admittedly that SS could have absorbes all his powers..

I really can't see Iceman doing much to Surfer. And Thor being The God of weather and all and magical, kinda makes me think that he is pretty much immune to ANY lvl of Cold or freezing. Iceman isn't a lvl 5 matter manipulator. He's a one trick pony. Even if he's the best at his one trick, Surfer and Thor can do what Iceman can if they wanted to. And They can pretty much do what Magneto can do if they put thier minds to it. Plus they got thousands of years experience behind them. Surfer probably can't get thru magnetos' shields to easily, but Thor could just teleport inside the shield if he wanted to. Or teleport mags and the shield inside a black hole. Tho that may make mags stronger. Who knows. I'm leaning towards Thor/Surfer 9/10

SS can also teleport + hes teleportational ways are pretty dangerous as well.. check out what he did to Quasimodo.. while teleporting..

Thor and SS should be able to take this 2.. Majority at the least..

Originally posted by batdude123
Spectre would get smoked...

Yeah, check out Superman's abstract level might

What the hell does the spectre have to do with anything? NO AbSTRACT can challenge his might. I just love how people bend things to suit thier arguments.

Originally posted by Validus
I haven't defined any level champ. I bring facts and leave the unsupported opinions and nonsensical assertions for you since that seems to be your shtick.

What we know for a fact is that skyfather level guys such as Odin tend to fail against what we consider abstract level beings such as Eternity or the Infinity Gauntlet. You want to tell me I'm wrong here?

The Infinity Guantlet is not Abstract. It is beyond abstract. It is multiple abstract power lvls times infinite power. It can't even be counted. And Eternity is not an abstract. he is all that there is. He is a concrete thing. The UNIVERSE. an abstract is an idea. ETERNITY Is not an idea but rather all that thereis.