Originally posted by Robtard
There are also a few discrepancies in the Bible about the ark story, further leading proof that there is most likely nothing to find in the first place.How many of each animal and what animals did God command Noah to take?
Genesis:
6:19 [B]And of every living thing of all flesh
, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.6:20 Of fowls after their kind , and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind , two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
and then it says...
7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens , the male and his female: and of beasts that [are] not clean by two, the male and his female.
7:3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
How long did the flood last?
7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth ; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
taken from (http://www.blueletterbible.org) [/B]
these are easy to get around
Regarding the number of animals -
God tells Noah, "Grab 2 of each animal so that nothing goes extinct"
Noah, "Got that"
God, "Good, now grab a few more of the ones that I allow you to eat."
Regarding the length of the flood -
40 days could refer to the time that the flood waters rose, ie rain and "waters of the deep"
150 days could mean the actual duration of the floodwaters.
Originally posted by Jim Reaper
Noahs Ark... Easily one of the most ridiculous stories i've ever heard.
Absolutely. For it to have existed, discounting the fact that almost every ancient civilization has some version of the same story, is so contrary...not to science...but to just plain reality. If they took two of every species and put it on a boat, all their offspring would have genetic issues out the ass and died out. It's the same fairy tale mentality that people use to suspend reality and believe in the garden of eden/Adam and Eve story.
Originally posted by docb77
these are easy to get aroundRegarding the number of animals -
God tells Noah, "Grab 2 of each animal so that nothing goes extinct"
Noah, "Got that"
God, "Good, now grab a few more of the ones that I allow you to eat."
Regarding the length of the flood -
40 days could refer to the time that the flood waters rose, ie rain and "waters of the deep"
150 days could mean the actual duration of the floodwaters.
But if a gene pool is dropped down to just two animals, that species will eventually go extinct.
The Ark story is scientifically implausible; there simply wouldn't be enough space on the boat to accommodate two of every living animal (including dinosaurs), along with the food and water necessary to keep them alive. Furthermore, constructing a vessel of that scale would take hundreds of workers months to complete. Still, Biblical literalists—those who believe that proof of the Bible's events remains to be found—have spent lives and fortunes trying to validate their beliefs.
What are you talking about? Show me where in text where the Bible says they used full grown animals? Wouldn't it make more sense to have young ones that require less food and less space and can reproduce more offsprings then an older animal?
And it's strange that every culture has a flood story...every culture.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
[b]The Ark story is scientifically implausible; there simply wouldn't be enough space on the boat to accommodate two of every living animal (including dinosaurs), along with the food and water necessary to keep them alive. Furthermore, constructing a vessel of that scale would take hundreds of workers months to complete. Still, Biblical literalists—those who believe that proof of the Bible's events remains to be found—have spent lives and fortunes trying to validate their beliefs.What are you talking about? Show me where in text where the Bible says they used full grown animals? Wouldn't it make more sense to have young ones that require less food and less space and can reproduce more offsprings then an older animal?
And it's strange that every culture has a flood story...every culture. [/B]
No, it is not strange. Every culture has had a flood at one time or another.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
All of which mentions that the entire world was flooded? And also each one mentioning that many days passed until the waters went down?
1. The entire world, to a person who dose not understand that the world extends beyond his/her valley is very small.
2. Many other flood stories do not include animals.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
All of which mentions that the entire world was flooded? And also each one mentioning that many days passed until the waters went down?
New Orleans flooded...and the waters took a few days to go down.
Floods happen repeatedly, and when your visoin of "the word" is the 15 miles around your house...a small flood off the black sea can seem catastrophic.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
All of which mentions that the entire world was flooded? And also each one mentioning that many days passed until the waters went down?
The world of Noah:
"the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered." (Genesis 7:19-20)
A cubit is the distance from a man's elbow to the end of his middle finger.
Egyptians 1 cubit = 20.61 of our inches
Greeks 1 cubit = 18:25 inches
Romans 1 cubit = 17.4 inches
Hebrews 1 cubit = 17.58 inches
The English 1 cubit = 18 inches
The longest of which, 20.61" X 15 Cubits = 25.7625 Feet
The "world" was covered by just under 26 feet. Do you really believe that that depth could cover the entire earth?
Originally posted by ESB -1138
[b]The Ark story is scientifically implausible; there simply wouldn't be enough space on the boat to accommodate two of every living animal (including dinosaurs), along with the food and water necessary to keep them alive. Furthermore, constructing a vessel of that scale would take hundreds of workers months to complete. Still, Biblical literalists—those who believe that proof of the Bible's events remains to be found—have spent lives and fortunes trying to validate their beliefs.What are you talking about? Show me where in text where the Bible says they used full grown animals? Wouldn't it make more sense to have young ones that require less food and less space and can reproduce more offsprings then an older animal?
And it's strange that every culture has a flood story...every culture. [/B]
OK, baby animals or no, that is still an implausible amount of creatures (6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh) too fit in one boat, not to mention all the food required to feed said baby animals and the amount of time it would take to feed and care for all those animals. By the time Noah and his family finished feeding and cleaning the stalls of the baby cheetah's the baby zebra's would have staved to death. Did God also not allow the predatory animals not to hunt for a certain amount of time after they were let off the boat? Imagine if the predators killed off the few females of one speices, I'd imagine there'd be alot of entinctions shortly after the animals got off the boat if not.
Also, how do you get around the genetic pool issue? Take mice for example; who have a very high tolerance for inbreeding, start with only two and keep breeding the offspring of those two and in a few generations you'll have inviable offspring and therefore extinction of the line.
It isn't strange that many cultures have flood stories, floods happen all the time in all parts of the world. Would you consider what happened to Louisiana USA Biblical?
To begin with animals did not kill and eat other animals. In the beginning nothing ate meat. God did not allow it. Not until after the flood when all the vegatation was whipped out did God allow man and others to eat animals.
"the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered." (Genesis 7:19-20)
Fifteen cubits above the mountains the waters went not just fifteen cubits.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
To begin with animals did not kill and eat other animals. In the beginning nothing ate meat. God did not allow it. Not until after the flood when all the vegatation was whipped out did God allow man and others to eat animals.[b]"the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered." (Genesis 7:19-20)
Fifteen cubits above the mountains the waters went not just fifteen cubits. [/B]
There is no proof of that. Also, there is lots of evidence on the contrary.