Originally posted by bigbranI wouldn't say way beyond. But, I'd say at the height of their power, DS and HF were meant to be near Celestial level. That is just imo given their accomplishments and roles, tho. Which is again why New God fans were pissed the moment DS finally lost to Superman, who he had smacked around effortlessly for years. Hell, even weaker New Gods were considered more powerful than Supes.
But Highfather way beyond an abstract?
Originally posted by JuntaiCelestials aren't abstracts, Eternity created them all.
I wouldn't say way beyond. But, I'd say at the height of their power, DS and HF were meant to be near Celestial level.
Like 2 of them, are in meetings with the abstracts, and those are some of the better ones. Galactus is also in those meetings, but he is sure as hell not an abstract.
Originally posted by JuntaiFair enough. Superman, or Supergod?😖hifty:
That is just imo given their accomplishments and roles, tho. Which is again why New God fans were pissed the moment DS finally lost to Superman, who he had smacked around effortlessly for years. Hell, even weaker New Gods were considered more powerful than Supes.
Originally posted by bigbran
Celestials aren't abstracts, Eternity created them all.Like 2 of them, are in meetings with the abstracts, and those are some of the better ones. Galactus is also in those meetings, but he is sure as hell not an abstract. Fair enough. Superman, or Supergod?😖hifty:
Galactus is an abstract. he represents the destruction that is needed in the universe to maintain balance. He's akin to DC's Destruction. Thanks he is an abstract.
Originally posted by Juntai
I wouldn't say way beyond. But, I'd say at the height of their power, DS and HF were meant to be near Celestial level. That is just imo given their accomplishments and roles, tho. Which is again why New God fans were pissed the moment DS finally lost to Superman, who he had smacked around effortlessly for years. Hell, even weaker New Gods were considered more powerful than Supes.
Yeah Darksied and High Father are abstract. They represent the yin and yang to the source. High Father and Darksied have even said that the very least of The New Gods in thier true forms are mightier than the very strongest Sky Fathers.
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This is seriously getting pimped to the point of silly.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
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This is seriously getting pimped to the point of silly.
According to whom? Wouldn't you agree that what they represent is essential to the cosmos?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
According to whom? Wouldn't you agree that what they represent is essential to the cosmos?
Their positions are prominent and they have special protections from the source, but they're hardly what you can place on abstract level. They are also destined to be replaced so it's not's really themselves who are important but the roles they are fillin in for the moment.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Their positions are prominent and they have special protections from the source, but they're hardly what you can place on abstract level. They are also destined to be replaced so it's not's really themselves who are important but the roles they are fillin in for the moment.
Actually, When Highfather "died" he simply comes back as Takion. Replaced is subjective.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Comeback as Takion? WTF. Cause i read Takion's appearances after he replaced him, and he's still takion with no mention of him as izaya.You can even ask KMC resident DC fans on that one.
But hey, [b]if you can prove it through scans
, who am i to argue. [/B]
Takion was created to be Highfather's avatar since Highfather new he was going to Die.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Takion was created to be Highfather's avatar since Highfather new he was going to Die.
And in this case, the avatar Takion is a serparate entity transformed by Izaya into a new god as his avatar and not a mere fragment of himself like darkseid.
Separate entity. Unless you can tell me Izaya as Takion didn't automatically assume his role even though he is Izaya and had to wait for Scott free to abandon his right to leadership or that once Scott free(miracle man) assumes his leadership, he will automatically become his father.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
And in this case, the avatar Takion is a serparate entity transformed by Izaya into a new god as his avatar.[b]Separate entity
. Unless you can tell me Izaya as Takion didn't automatically assume his role even though he is Izaya and had to wait for Scott free to abandon his right to leadership or that once Scott free(miracle man) assumes his leadership, he will automatically become his father. [/B]
Highfather can see into the Future. He knew Mister Miracle wasn't going to take his role.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Highfather can see into the Future. He knew Mister Miracle wasn't going to take his role.
Speculations not to mention it doesn't make sense. Unless your implying Highfather is a murderer and forcibly replaced/killed Josh Saunders for his body.
Now, provide concrete evidence.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takion
"Highfather was able to temporarily return from the Source by using the body of his Avatar Takion, this was the real purpose for Takion's creation"
AFAIK, he simply possesed him once and left. That doesn't mean Takion is Izaya. Heck a mere ghost can do that in other fictional books.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
"Highfather was able to [b]temporarily return from the Source by using the body of his Avatar Takion, this was the real purpose for Takion's creation"AFAIK, he simply possesed him once and left. That doesn't mean Takion is Izaya. Heck a mere ghost can do that in other fictional books. [/B]
OOH OK. From where i"m sitting, he was created for the purpose that highfather wanted. And he can come back any time he pleases. Or am I mistaken?
Yes, and that purpose is to sadly host his spirit for a limited amount of time and gets free of it after ressurecting supertown.
Sucks to be Takion.
he's obvioulsy meant to be more than that and that dead people stays dead unless you really really try hard to get through.
At least, he still retains his highfather title consolation prize. 😛
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl😐
Galactus is an abstract. he represents the destruction that is needed in the universe to maintain balance. He's akin to DC's Destruction. Thanks he is an abstract.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl😐 😐 😐
Yeah Darksied and High Father are abstract. They represent the yin and yang to the source. High Father and Darksied have even said that the very least of The New Gods in thier true forms are mightier than the very strongest Sky Fathers.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
he's an abstract. it's not up for debate. He is the Lord of Chaos. And High father from DC is waaaay to powerful for Mordru or Odin. He's the Yin to darksied's yang.
Mordru of the present century is probably more powerful than either Darkseid or Highfather. And if you believe Mordru is an abstract, then what abstract concept is he the embodiment of?