Originally posted by Mider999
i thought darkseid showed up celestial level beings like the millenium giants
The millenium giants were nowhere NEAR celestial level. The power of the celestials dwarfs that of cube beings, and those things warp reality on a planetary scale at a whim.
Even then, celestials are FAR, FAR below abstracts.
This thread makes me sad- it seems like the thread starter doesn't really have a concept of what an abstract IS. Here's a hint- abstracts aren't alive, they don't even have physical bodies. You can't truly destroy one, they're simply representations of...wait for it...ABSTRACT concepts- Eternity, Infinity, Death, Oblivion, etc.
for example- A Lord of Chaos is NOT an abstract. The concept of Chaos ITSELF (or a representation thereof) IS. It's meaningless to try and slap a power level on something like "Death" or "Inifinity" or "Chaos", so stop using "abstract level" like a rating on a meter.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
The millenium giants were nowhere NEAR celestial level. The power of the celestials dwarfs that of cube beings, and those things warp reality on a planetary scale at a whim.Even then, celestials are FAR, FAR below abstracts.
This thread makes me sad- it seems like the thread starter doesn't really have a concept of what an abstract IS. Here's a hint- abstracts aren't alive, they don't even have physical bodies. You can't truly destroy one, they're simply representations of...wait for it...ABSTRACT concepts- Eternity, Infinity, Death, Oblivion, etc.
for example- A Lord of Chaos is NOT an abstract. The concept of Chaos ITSELF (or a representation thereof) IS. It's meaningless to try and slap a power level on something like "Death" or "Inifinity" or "Chaos", so stop using "abstract level" like a rating on a meter.
Mordru has no beginning and no end. He is abstract.
Darkseid possibly beating Mordru pre-Crisis in a future timeline doesn't really say much about Darkseid and Mordru in the present timeline. According to Dr.Fate reading Mordru's future, Mordru will be old and insane by the time of the Legion. Whether Darkseid will defeat that old Mordru in the future no one knows since the future is only possibility. But in the present Darkseid hasn't beaten Mordru and has a good chance of getting hurt if he tried.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
The millenium giants were nowhere NEAR celestial level. The power of the celestials dwarfs that of cube beings, and those things warp reality on a planetary scale at a whim.Even then, celestials are FAR, FAR below abstracts.
This thread makes me sad- it seems like the thread starter doesn't really have a concept of what an abstract IS. Here's a hint- abstracts aren't alive, they don't even have physical bodies. You can't truly destroy one, they're simply representations of...wait for it...ABSTRACT concepts- Eternity, Infinity, Death, Oblivion, etc.
for example- A Lord of Chaos is NOT an abstract. The concept of Chaos ITSELF (or a representation thereof) IS. It's meaningless to try and slap a power level on something like "Death" or "Inifinity" or "Chaos", so stop using "abstract level" like a rating on a meter.
Finally 🤘 someone who gets it . 👆
You dont' have to have a "concept' to be abstract. The Quantum Physics are abstract and at the top tier of power. They are abstract with no "concept". The Firestorm Elemental is waaaaaay powerful. He's like the Amazo jlu. He's abstract. With no "concept". every thing cannot be put into understanding of human minds. Even the new gods are abstract to human minds. We can't comprehend them. Or understand them. The sun eater, the maggeddon, imperiex. All abstract with no definable human concept of understanding. nOne the less abstract. Also, MOrdru does not have a beggining. There is no beginning nor end for him.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Mordru has no beginning and no End. What don't you get about that. he's not a god. and he's not human. He's an abstract.
He can't be called an abstract, if he's not a representative of something abstract.
How about you call him a universal entity?? Not man, not god but something different from both?? Works well ?
Originally posted by Khem-Adam
Yes you do. That's what it means. "Abstract" is short for "abstract concept". It has nothing to do with power level or comprehension. An abstract is the literal personification of a concept.
But there are things with no concept that are still abstract. Galactus for instance, is abstract. But he has no difinitive concept, so he appears differently to different races of people in the universe. The same is said of the maggedon. It has no DIFINITIVE concept as it apears differently to difffent beings. None the less, it is abstract.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But there are things with no concept that are still abstract. Galactus for instance, is abstract. But he has no difinitive concept, so he appears differently to different races of people in the universe. The same is said of the maggedon. It has no DIFINITIVE concept as it apears differently to difffent beings. None the less, it is abstract.
Being abstract is not the same as being an abstract. "Abstract" is just an adjective. An abstract is a specific identification of a specific type of being. The personification of an abstract concept.