Episode III too focused on Anakin's story

Originally posted by Alliance
Except it is totally not Star Wars.

Sacrifices must be made...

Not to bring back secondary villians

Well personally I think it would be more interesting that Padme's funeral march. To me that whole scene was pointless, the only part of significance being the carving Anakin had made for her.

It was closing off a plotline...it was a long closing...but she was supposed to be a fairly main character.

Fair enough. However I think there were more important things that could have been put, the start of the Rebellion being one of them. Maybe cut Padme's seen a bit and add in something more important, not neccessarlily Dooku's funeral, but something...

I'm with you 100% on the rebellion.

THose scenes are on the DVD folks

But the Rebel Alliance series were the deleted scenes. I dunno bout the dooku's funeral, but i feel the padme funeral was appropriate and heartfelt, with her still clutching the gift anakin gave her till the very end, reflecting her undying love and sheer heartbreak.

The podrace while exhillirating was done clearly to add colour to the movie, but was admitedly a turning point of Anakin's live for he was freed upon his victory (though not known by him).

The plot for Episode I was intended to illustrate Sidious's orchestration of events and how by choosing Naboo as the victim made the Senate sympathise with their case hence voting Palpatine as Chancellor, though it was definitely rather too elaborated and vague. But i agree that perhaps Episode II separatist movement and the clones could have been given more focus.

Does this then mean that truly the success of Episode III lies with the fact that is was focused on Anakin? Imagine if they remove Episodes I and II, would Episode III still be the epic film that it is, comparable to the OT?

I've wondered whether the introduction and death of General Grievous was necessary. In my opinion, Dooku is a much more interesting character and should not have been killed so flippently in the beginning. The original saga copes with only a few villains, yet Lucas somehow felt composed to create many in the PT, Jango Fett (arguably) and Dooku probably the only neccesary ones.

Originally posted by exanda kane
I've wondered whether the introduction and death of General Grievous was necessary. In my opinion, Dooku is a much more interesting character and should not have been killed so flippently in the beginning. The original saga copes with only a few villains, yet Lucas somehow felt composed to create many in the PT, Jango Fett (arguably) and Dooku probably the only neccesary ones.

I agree 411%. 😉 Also you cant forget Sidious, the most evil mofo to set foot in the SW Universe.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Lol, I was tempted. I think it would have been far better to have a funeral for Dooku at the end of ROTS instead of one for Padme. Have huge crowds all dressed in black to remember the phenomenon that was Count Dooku. It will also be on his home planet of Sereno.

The camera slowly zooms in on the Counts pale, lifeless face. Even in death it has a look of class and dignity. His robes are perfect and he has his infamous saber hilt clutched in his hands. The camera continues to zoom in on Dooku.

*coffin tips over and dooku's head falls out and rolls through the center of the procession.*

Originally posted by queeq
THose scenes are on the DVD folks

Yeah, but they weren't important enough to put into the actual film? Come on.

Originally posted by exanda kane
The original saga copes with only a few villains, yet Lucas somehow felt composed to create many in the PT, Jango Fett (arguably) and Dooku probably the only neccesary ones.

The OT deals with Vader...who is a "major bad@ss." In the PT there is no glaring sign saying "I AM THE VILLAN." The PT is about where evil is. There is a non-stable network....the Empire doesn't exist. Therofor having multiple villians makes excellent sense, but they are just not treated correctly.

Maul was a triumph of character design.
Dooku was a major missed opportunity.
Jango was perhaps the only vaguely developed villian.
Sidious becomes central, I don't really need more of him.
Grievous could prove interesting if he was portrayed as a brtue and not an asthmatic dumbass with a AHNOLD accent. His character was totally abandoned in ROTS.

It should have been clear from the beginning that Sidious=Palpatine though...

And I agree about Dooku. But if that was better developed, Maul would have bcome obsolete.

Maul was like an attack dog, which was dissappointing...Hes one of the few characters in the SAGA that bade me go...."Geez, I'd really like to know more about him."

Originally posted by Alliance

The OT deals with Vader...who is a "major bad@ss." In the PT there is no glaring sign saying "I AM THE VILLAN." The PT is about where evil is. There is a non-stable network....the Empire doesn't exist. Therofor having multiple villians makes excellent sense, but they are just not treated correctly.

I think Maul fits the "I'm a villain" slot, granted he's more of a lapdog, but so much attention was on him, we never quite felt a sense of foreboding when they say "Was he the master or the apprentice?".

I still do not think many villains warrent a good story, because that way they will have weak characterisation, for instance, the majoiryt of the PT villains.

Originally posted by PVS
*coffin tips over and dooku's head falls out and rolls through the center of the procession.*

🙁

Originally posted by exanda kane
we never quite felt a sense of foreboding when they say "Was he the master or the apprentice?".

No, because its a stupid line that we all know the answer too...not to mention the cheesy closeup of Palpatine the followed.

Not only a stupid line, it was a stupid question too. If there can be only two, and one dies, the one that remains IS the master. Lucas didn't think that line through very much. Or the Jedi are just plain dumb and deserved to be wiped out.

Wait...Lucas can't tight dialogue for sh*t?

The Jedi are stupid and dogmatic, and yeah...certainly deserved, from some standpoints...to be wiped out.

Originally posted by Alliance And if Lucas actually said that Yoda on Degobah was "removed for it would disrupt the focus on the thread of the children"... I say eff him because he interupted the Skywlaker Kenobi Duel with the Sidious Yoda duel REPEATEDLY...which I thought was a flat out horrible decision. [/B]

He interrupted pert-near every final battle in every movie. Fast cuts between battles & scenes are everywhere, not just ROTS, fercryinoutloud.

TPM: Cuts between Space Battle, lightsaber duel, Gungan ground battle and Padme diversion.

AOTC: Same battle really but involve Yoda, Obi & Anakin ship, & Mace's ship.

ROTS: Mustafar & Senate battles

ANH: Only one battle, but 3 different settings.

TESB: Lightsaber battle and Lando, Chewie & Leia chase.

ROTJ: Space battle, Endor ground battle, throne room battle

They all have an aspect that the heroes are doomed, but then they pull it out. Great cliffhanger stuff in all 6.