The Future of Learning History? 9/11 revised

it seems abc will be airing a right wing backed drama-documentary about 9/11...and the conclusion......its clinton's fault. they even go out of their way to lie about certain events, or just make them up entirely. the timing is impecable as well, since elections are in 2 months.

here are some accusations/fantasies laid out on scarborough:

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movies.crooksandliars.com/Scarborough-ABC-911-movie.mov

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There's something very interesting in this kind of tactic. It's almost a cut and run tactic, so despised and laughed at by proponents of this administration.

I have no doubt that huge mistakes were made by the Clinton administration. The fact that 9/11 took place at all indicates a huge failure of US government policies for the last 30 years. However, according to whitehouse.gov the following information about Bush is pretty accurate and indisputable:

George W. Bush is the 43rd President of the United States. He was sworn into office on January 20, 2001

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that indicate that his administration was in charge for about 9 months before this happened?

others had this to say:

"They don't have any excuse because the information was in their lap, and they didn't do anything to prevent it."

— Senator Richard Shelby, then ranking Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee; member of the joint intelligence committee that investigated 9/11

"I don't believe any longer that it's a matter of connecting the dots. I think they had a veritable blueprint, and we want to know why they didn't act on it."

— Senator Arlen Specter, a Republican member of the joint intelligence committee that investigated 9/11.

"There were lots of warnings."

— Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld

"Should we have known? Yes, we should have. Could we have known? Yes, I believe we could have because of the hard targets [CIA operatives were tracking]."

— Representative Porter Goss, Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence; Republican co-chairman of the joint intelligence committee that investigated 9/11

"As of September 10th, each of us knew everything we needed to know to tell us there was a possibility of what happened on September 11th."

— Assistant Attorney General Michael Chertoff (described by the Associated Press as "the Bush administration's top anti-terrorism prosecutor"😉

(^The same guy that is in charge of the Department of Homeland Security I might add)

"If you put all those pieces together, I don't say you could have prevented September 11th, but there might have been some warning, had it been handled properly ."

— Vice President Dick Cheney

All Republican members of the current administration admitting that they dropped the ball. A ball that had been in their court for 9 months at that point.

Well Clinton did have the oppourtunity.

And in July 2001, a Fed here in Phoenix had advanced knowledge and failed to act.

Things like 9-11 dont happen because of a simple screw up. Its multiple events compounded over an extended period of time. You can blame Reagan for effing up the Middle East...and the Soviets for invading Afganistan...and Bush I for Gulf War I...

9-11's history will continue to be a political football for at least a decade or too, while Bush is in office, it's political uses will NOT be diminished one bit.

We just need to tell them A-rabs to quit hatin' on us.

Techiniclly it kind of is Clinton's fault 😬

He could have had Osama killed after the attacks on the U.S.S Colt, but didnt.

Of course, to be fair Bush could have also gone after him when he got into office.

However if we go far enough its the Soviet Union's fault.

Originally posted by clap
We just need to tell them A-rabs to quit hatin' on us.

I think the best way to stop terrorism is the pull out the roots of terrorism.

A lot of places (Iran, Pakistan, ect..) are made up of normal people who dont want anything to do with these terrorist groups.

Of course if stunts like the wall in isreal keep getting pulled then terrorism is only going to increase.

We cannot punish the normal people for what the terrorists have done. Rather we should embrace them and show them why we are right and the terrorists are wrong.

Of course this and military action will eventually end radicalist islamic terrorism

Originally posted by Grimm22
Techiniclly it kind of is Clinton's fault 😬

He could have had Osama killed after the attacks on the U.S.S Colt, but didnt.

Of course, to be fair Bush could have also gone after him when he got into office.

However if we go far enough its the Soviet Union's fault.

Well if we are playing pass the responsibility I would like to take part of the blame for voting Bush in his first term, what was I thinking, it's my fault really.

Originally posted by Soleran
Well if we are playing pass the responsibility I would like to take part of the blame for voting Bush in his first term, what was I thinking, it's my fault really.

Because Al Gore would have done a great job right? 🙄

He's more concerned about saving trees than human lives

Originally posted by Grimm22
Techiniclly it kind of is Clinton's fault 😬

He could have had Osama killed after the attacks on the U.S.S Colt, but didnt.

Of course, to be fair Bush could have also gone after him when he got into office.

However if we go far enough its the Soviet Union's fault.

And if we go back further, it's the USA's fault for not listening to Churchill's fears concerning the Soviet Union, and allowing the creation of the Eastern Bloc. And then, it's Hitler's fault for allying with Stalin and invading Poland. And then, it's Chamberlain's fault for appeasing Hitler...

The list goes on. Dealing with immediate facts, the only people you can really blame are those who had information on the attacks and didn't act on it. Even then, we can't know how fallible their information was.

Originally posted by Trickster
And if we go back further, it's the USA's fault for not listening to Churchill's fears concerning the Soviet Union, and allowing the creation of the Eastern Bloc. And then, it's Hitler's fault for allying with Stalin and invading Poland. And then, it's Chamberlain's fault for appeasing Hitler...

The list goes on. Dealing with immediate facts, the only people you can really blame are those who had information on the attacks and didn't act on it. Even then, we can't know how fallible their information was.

Heck we could go on playing the blame game for hours...days even 😛

Originally posted by Grimm22
I think the best way to stop terrorism is the pull out the roots of terrorism.

You don't really have to pull out the roots on something if you just spray some round-up on it. Complete subjugation is the way to go. Keep 'em so occupied about their own country that they don't have nary a time for attacking ours.

Originally posted by Soleran
Well if we are playing pass the responsibility I would like to take part of the blame for voting Bush in his first term, what was I thinking, it's my fault really.

Not at all. We are talking less democrat v. republican and more incompotent government. Just like I said in my post, You can point the finger at our government, not our political parties. However, when you voted for Bush in his first election, you did so because he said that he would be tough on issues like national defense and homeland security. 9/11 really shows that, huh? 9 months of his administration and none of the intelligence reports were read or given to the right people. The daily intelligence report given to teh president was ignored when it mentioned the very real threat. Even Cheney said that in the quote I listed. Had it been handled properly. Properly being key there.

So it has less to do with republicans and more to do with the bloated political beauracracy the senate and our government officials have spent the last 7 years building up even more. If we could get officials and politicians to actually do what we need them to do, then we'd be able to prevent things like 9/11 from happening. And we have the power to do that, but we don't. As a rule, people in this country have no interest in speaking up. And that's because so many people in this country get divided by issues like poverty, race, religion, social programs, sexual orientation, etc. The whole basis for our political system is telling us how we differ from each other, rather than what we have in common....and that's an abusive government. And this administration is not only as abusive, but now they've started doing it to teh people of other countries as well.

Originally posted by PVS
it seems abc will be airing a right wing backed drama-documentary about 9/11...and the conclusion......its clinton's fault. they even go out of their way to lie about certain events, or just make them up entirely. the timing is impecable as well, since elections are in 2 months.

Sadly, this is not surprising.

Originally posted by Grimm22
However if we go far enough its the Soviet Union's fault.

Or you could just look at the U.S.'s foreign policy as the the cause, and hold various administrations responsible for compliance through neglect.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Techiniclly it kind of is Clinton's fault 😬

He could have had Osama killed after the attacks on the U.S.S Colt, but didnt.

Of course, to be fair Bush could have also gone after him when he got into office.

However if we go far enough its the Soviet Union's fault.

Not really, and if it was such a big deal to you...you would remeber the the USS Cole was attacked.

Many people have blame.

Honestly, when people believe that crap about Bush being behind 9/11 its ridiculous.

Did people in the administration KNOW about 9/11? Maybe, thats a possibiblity.

But, saying the government was BEHIND 9/11 is proposterous

Wait...why is it so out of the question?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Techiniclly it kind of is Clinton's fault 😬

He could have had Osama killed after the attacks on the U.S.S Colt, but didnt.

Of course, to be fair Bush could have also gone after him when he got into office.

However if we go far enough its the Soviet Union's fault.

Its funny. Really funny. Clinton could have killed Bin Laden after the U.S.S. Cole.

Considering that Bush and Co. have launched one of the US's more sizable military operations of late aimed at "terrorism" and A.Q. and yet haven't been able to kill Bin Laden. It's not like Clinton had him over for tea one night and when some adviser said "And after the Entree we'll shoot him in the head" and Clinton went "No we wont, I don't think we need to Kill him."

And really there seems to have been a fair bit of evidence Bush and co. were told in the months prior to 9/11 that terrorists were planning to use planes (oops, forgot, that doesn't count as it is was just a broad warning, nothing specific.) Really the fact is it happened on Bush's watch.