The Future of Learning History? 9/11 revised

the truth: every u.s. president from reagan to bush sr. to clinton to bush jr. are responsible in part through their recklessness and ignorance. any fairy tale which tries to place ALL the blame on one person cannot possibly be valid, yet here we have it. BLAME CLINTON!!!! blame the one democrat president in the mix, and exhonerate every neo-con commander in chief. greeeeeeeeeeeat.

so its come down to this. we as a society are becoming so frikin stupid that we have boundless sources of information on our short term history, yet allow others to rewrite it. it has everything, good guys in white, bad guys in black, the bumbling idiot president who ignored the warnings followed by the virtuous and pure, yet naive dubya, who had all of clintons mistakes dumped on him.

yet this:

"RICE: I remember very well that the president was aware that there were issues inside the United States. He talked to people about this. But I don’t remember the al Qaeda cells as being something that we were told we needed to do something about.

BEN-VENISTE: Isn’t it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?

RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."

Now, the…

BEN-VENISTE: Thank you."

...was never spoken. look away!!!!

and this:

"BEN-VENISTE: Good afternoon, gentlemen.

Mr. Pickard, on January 21st of this year you met with our staff. Is that correct?

PICKARD: That’s correct.

BEN-VENISTE: And according to our staff report, you told them that in June 2001, you met with Attorney General Ashcroft and he told you that you would be the acting FBI director.

PICKARD: That’s correct.

BEN-VENISTE: You had some seven or eight meetings with the attorney general?

PICKARD: Somewhere in that number. I have the exact number, but I don’t know the total.

BEN-VENISTE: And according to the statement that our staff took from you, you said that you would start each meeting discussing either counterterrorism or counterintelligence. At the same time the threat level was going up and was very high. Mr. Watson had come to you and said that the CIA was very concerned that there would be an attack. You said that you told the attorney general this fact repeatedly in these meetings. Is that correct?

PICKARD: I told him at least on two occasions.

BEN-VENISTE: And you told the staff according to this statement that Mr. Ashcroft told you that he did not want to hear about this anymore. Is that correct?

PICKARD: That is correct."

....is also a fabrication...
although both being sworn testimony before the 9/11 commision....they never happened. god bless neoconservative america, bless their hearts

check this out as well:

movies.crooksandliars.com/Countdown-ABC-Be.mov

(interview with Ben-Veniste of the 9/11 commission, who points out the complete falsehoods of this history revision)

also, it seems that this crockumantary will be used as education material,
shipped to schools and used as study material.
this is neocon scum propaganda at its finest.

Originally posted by PVS
[b]the truth: every u.s. president from reagan to bush sr. to clinton to bush jr. are responsible in part through their recklessness and ignorance. any fairy tale which tries to place ALL the blame on one person cannot possibly be valid, yet here we have it. BLAME CLINTON!!!! blame the one democrat president in the mix, and exhonerate every neo-con commander in chief. greeeeeeeeeeeat.

so its come down to this. we as a society are becoming so frikin stupid that we have boundless sources of information on our short term history, yet allow others to rewrite it. it has everything, good guys in white, bad guys in black, the bumbling idiot president who ignored the warnings followed by the virtuous and pure, yet naive dubya, who had all of clintons mistakes dumped on him.

yet this:

"RICE: I remember very well that the president was aware that there were issues inside the United States. He talked to people about this. But I don’t remember the al Qaeda cells as being something that we were told we needed to do something about.

BEN-VENISTE: Isn’t it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?

RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."

Now, the…

BEN-VENISTE: Thank you."

...was never spoken. look away!!!!

and this:

"BEN-VENISTE: Good afternoon, gentlemen.

Mr. Pickard, on January 21st of this year you met with our staff. Is that correct?

PICKARD: That’s correct.

BEN-VENISTE: And according to our staff report, you told them that in June 2001, you met with Attorney General Ashcroft and he told you that you would be the acting FBI director.

PICKARD: That’s correct.

BEN-VENISTE: You had some seven or eight meetings with the attorney general?

PICKARD: Somewhere in that number. I have the exact number, but I don’t know the total.

BEN-VENISTE: And according to the statement that our staff took from you, you said that you would start each meeting discussing either counterterrorism or counterintelligence. At the same time the threat level was going up and was very high. Mr. Watson had come to you and said that the CIA was very concerned that there would be an attack. You said that you told the attorney general this fact repeatedly in these meetings. Is that correct?

PICKARD: I told him at least on two occasions.

BEN-VENISTE: And you told the staff according to this statement that Mr. Ashcroft told you that he did not want to hear about this anymore. Is that correct?

PICKARD: That is correct."

....is also a fabrication...
although both being sworn testimony before the 9/11 commision....they never happened. god bless neoconservative america, bless their hearts [/B]

You left out Carter, I think He's where the mid-east screw-ups really started. Then the snowball just started rolling....

aaahhh...the good ol' blame game

why not blame the Germans...they were monitoring the Hamburg cell that planned and carried out the 9/11 attack back in 1997 and did nothing

plus...the Germans are used to getting the blame for stuff so they wont mind

You know whose fault it is? Ours, for not listening to Winston Churchill and steamrolling over Russia right after WWII.

Originally posted by FeceMan
You know whose fault it is? Ours, for not listening to Winston Churchill and steamrolling over Russia right after WWII.

well, it doesnt matter because shortly children in school will be taught this revised history in class as per curiculum. its being treated as a historical document. how do you feel about this?

Well if you want to say that Bush knew about 9/11 before it happened then also consider this...

Memebers of FDR's administration knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor before it happened.

Honestly if Bush did know about the attacks he probobly thought Al Queda was a kind of rice 😛 😄

It's all Charles Martel's fault for beating the Muslim Armies at Tours several Hundred years ago.

Did Bush know a Terrorist Attack MIGHT have come, and was possible? Yes
Could he have stopped it from happening? Doubtful, the plans were set before he was even in office
Could Clinton have stopped it? Yes, instead of going after them while they were weak, he shot a few Cruise Missiles at them

None of this matters anymore, people made mistakes, it's the present now, we have to stop these Nutjobs before they kill us rather than dealing with who is responsible for it, this can happen AFTER they're dead

Why Bush declared war on iraq...

He mistook Iraq for Iran, the REAL threat 😄

Of course Iraq is still better off without Saddam

The level of your stupidity is truly astonishing.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Why Bush declared war on iraq...

He mistook Iraq for Iran, the REAL threat 😄

Of course Iraq is still better off without Saddam

hang

Originally posted by imaqtpie
The level of your stupidity is truly astonishing.

Originally posted by imaqtpie
The level of your stupidity is truly astonishing.

This coming from a guy that laughed at Steve Irwin's death 😐

And arent you banned?!? 🤨

Originally posted by PVS
well, it doesnt matter because shortly children in school will be taught this revised history in class as per curiculum. its being treated as a historical document. how do you feel about this?

Also, I'll wager that they'll give more of an overview of it rather than saying that anyone is to blame.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I think this is barely a drop in the bucket.

i highly disagree because this "drop in the bucket" directly effects short and long term political events (people are frikin idiots and will see this as 'history'😉
when has history suddenly been rewritten for the sake of bipartisan politics, and in the span of 5 years in order to effect election outcome in about 2 months? i dont know...i get the feeling that if this was a leftist ploy with the same impact potential you would be barking like mad about it.

If we go far enough, it's Mohammed's mother's fault for getting knocked up.

Damn, I wish that ***** was infertile sometimes.

harvey keitel has just regained some of my respect:

movies.crooksandliars.com/911_keitel.mov

Keitel: Yea, I had questions about events–material I was given in the Path to 9/11 that I did raise questions about. Yes, I had some conflicts there.

Q: How was that met?

Keitel: With discussion..ummm with argument. When I received the script it said ABC history project –I took it to be exactly what they presented to me. History–and that facts were correct. It turned out not all the facts were correct and ABC set about trying to heal that problem..In some instances it was too late because we had begun.

Q: Do you feel that anything should be changed in this film?

Keitel: Yes I do. This is a tough issue.–(sure)

You can compile certain things as long as the truth remains the truth. You can’t put things together, compress them and then distort the reality.

Q:…in the case of September 11th though, do you feel that it is an absolute responsibility that it be factually accurate even if it is a dramatization?

Keitel: Absolutely, you cannot cross the line from a conflation of events to a distortion of the event. No. Where we have distorted something we have made a mistake-and that should be corrected. It can be corrected. It can be corrected by the people getting involved in the story that they are going to see.

Bill O'reilly is against the movie.

Originally posted by PVS
it seems abc will be airing a right wing backed drama-documentary about 9/11...and the conclusion......its clinton's fault. they even go out of their way to lie about certain events, or just make them up entirely. the timing is impecable as well, since elections are in 2 months.

here are some accusations/fantasies laid out on scarborough:

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movies.crooksandliars.com/Scarborough-ABC-911-movie.mov

Scarborough is in England. 😐

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Bill O'reilly is against the movie.

if so thats a smart move, considering the lights have already been switched on and the roaches are scattering. its best for any neocon spokesman to run from this like its a ticking bomb. didnt say he's a smart man, mind you. just that it would be a smart move.

Originally posted by PVS
i highly disagree because this "drop in the bucket" directly effects short and long term political events (people are frikin idiots and will see this as 'history'😉
when has history suddenly been rewritten for the sake of bipartisan politics, and in the span of 5 years in order to effect election outcome in about 2 months? i dont know...i get the feeling that if this was a leftist ploy with the same impact potential you would be barking like mad about it.