Darkseid vs. the Infinity Watch

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bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Jesse7
Thats your defense, because I have't posted the scans, when they have been posted multiple times on these forums, and if you would just look for them you might find them.
No, but you acted like you just threw around, a ton of evidence.

Originally posted by Jesse7
By the forum rules, in any Versus battle all characters are blood lusted and are fighting at their best (not their low showings, but their best showings), unless the OP states otherwise; the forum rules also states that one time powers can be used.
I know.

Originally posted by Jesse7
You mention I should take high end and low end in showings for a debate?
No, but when one character, one day, blows, away a solar system, and then the next day, gets beat by a Daximite... you cant'd denie how up and down PC Supes feats go.
Originally posted by Jesse7
So I should ignore the forum rules, so say in a Silver Surfer Vs Superman Debate,
No, but PC Supes is a little different than normal Supes.
Originally posted by Jesse7
I could say that since SIlver Surfer has never done a speed blitz in all his comic career he can't do it (because without on panel evidence of an actual speed blitz in combat its speculation),
Do I care? When have I used the speedblitz argument in a debate, and I have proof of him doing things like that, so I don't care.
Originally posted by Jesse7
or should I bring up such feats as when Silver Surfer was nearly killed by a knife? Or when Silver Surfer was brought to his knees by one of storms thunderbolts which I will add he was unable to dodge.
Or should I say, Superman was brought down by a gas station?
Your forgetting that PC Supes feats often contridicts his other feats.
I'm not talking about any other character but PC Supes.

Originally posted by Jesse7
You may not see it, but I think you are biased against DC and for marvel, even if its subconscious.
Why because I disagree with you, and not someone else like Juntai, or something?
Or I disagree with PC Supes being an abstract?

Originally posted by Jesse7
Because you tell me to take in both high end and low end showings,
No, I told you, that if you add good and bad showings, together, you get an average showing. Because PC Superman had times when he was under skyfather level, and then he had times when he had some wicked showings. He had ups, and downs, but they were constant, so it's hard to guage his strength accordingly.
Ask anyone else, and they will tell you how his showings went.
Originally posted by Jesse7
yet when you debate for Silver Surfer you never mention his low end showings which he has plenty of, and when another does mention them you dismiss them as PIS.
I don't debate for Surfer very often, the only time with you, was when he battle Majestic.
Plus another when you made false accusations, in the PC Supes vs Surfer thread. I said, PC would win pretty handily too.
Try looking over threads.

Jimmy-Chan Senior Member

Huh, the CBR-like rules kinda bother me. Specifically fighting out of character and comparing "best" showings rather than averages. Although I guess it's still fun to spread around some lesser known feats here, but I'm not sure I can adjust to debating just high-end showings.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
As the guy who created Darkseid's respect thread and posted it on several boards ...

He is nowhere near where some of you say. He never moved galaxies in his mind -- the closest thing was teleporting Apokolips and Daxam. The avatar thing applies only to fights from 1997 and prior, if you accept it. Apokolips Now and S/B still count. As for New Gods' "true forms", they've barely been shown. The "galaxy-sized" thing comes NOT from their true forms per se, but the fact that the New Genesis/Apokolips universe is so much larger than our own. The Boom Tubes they use adjust your size as you travel through them. As shown in NG vol. 3 #10, when Boom Tubed to New Genesis, Superman was so large in relation to mainstream DCU planets that he could hold them in the palm of his hand (this was shown when he and Orion interacted with another universe via a tear in reality). The size of a New God in their universe doesn't matter much in a fight, since the Boom Tube adjusts them when they go to Earth. Granted, when Darkseid teleports people via Omegas, they end up the right size. I guess you could consider it a cool feat that he can adjust sizes too.

This board seems to have some weird mass underrating/overrating of Darkseid going on. It's like half of the people in a debate say he's some universe-crushing beyond Galactus cosmic, and the other half acts like Superman owns him a majority. I guess if you combine those two extremes, the result would be that he's about a low-mid Skyfather leveller, which is where he actually is on average.

Anyway, the team wins the VAST majority. If you took Thanos out of this, it'd be a better fight.

Owned?
Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
Huh, the CBR-like rules kinda bother me. Specifically fighting out of character and comparing "best" showings rather than averages. Although I guess it's still fun to spread around some lesser known feats here, but I'm not sure I can adjust to debating just high-end showings.
It's basically like having Wolverine being able to cut Thanos, and beat Lobo, just because those are his best showings.

I think when one person has as many low end showings, as high end showings, it's very debateable.

Jimmy-Chan Senior Member

Yeah, I think consistency matters more than who has the highest high, honestly. As long as this place isn't super gung-ho about enforcing the CBR rules, I think I'll be OK. I mean, I know there's the "PIS/CIS" thing to try and rule out BS, but to me, what's BS is highly subjective. I think all showings should be open to debate, including their legitimacy. But I'll try not to be confrontational about it. Maybe I'll just start backing out of debates when the PIS/CIS gets invoked on me. 🙂

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
Yeah, I think consistency matters more than who has the highest high, honestly. As long as this place isn't super gung-ho about enforcing the CBR rules, I think I'll be OK. I mean, I know there's the "PIS/CIS" thing to try and rule out BS, but to me, what's BS is highly subjective. I think all showings should be open to debate, including their legitimacy. But I'll try not to be confrontational about it. Maybe I'll just start backing out of debates when the PIS/CIS gets invoked on me. 🙂
Well, we don't want Storm beating Wonder Woman.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted
Originally posted by bigbran
Well, we don't want Storm beating Wonder Woman.

😠 DON"T EVER BRING THAT UP AGAIN!!!! 😠 😘

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
😠 DON"T EVER BRING THAT UP AGAIN!!!! 😠 😘
I'm just stating, about how, the high and low showings would work.

We certainely don't want Storm doing that.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by bigbran
I'm just stating, about how, the high and low showings would work.

We certainely don't want Storm doing that.

At least it was non cannon 😄

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
At least it was non cannon 😄
No, I'm pretty sure it was canon.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted
Originally posted by bigbran
No, I'm pretty sure it was canon.

THen how come storm's head didn't pop off when WW kicked her in it? SHe shoudl have been all body with that kick. LMAO.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THen how come storm's head didn't pop off when WW kicked her in it? SHe shoudl have been all body with that kick. LMAO.
Because of the pis, that was flowing out of that comic.
The only thing I agree with in a crossover, is Superman beating Thor.
But even that fight was pis(one punch...ha.) But the outcome was right.

Validus Senior Member

Originally posted by bigbran
No, I'm pretty sure it was canon.

It wasn't.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Validus
It wasn't.
Oh, shit then, I'm wrong.

draxx_tOfU Gundam Meister
Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
He used his own strength. The only reason the suffocation worked, of course, is that Drax thought he still needed air when he didn't. It was psychosomatic. In any event, there is NO freaking way you can say Warlock is unbeatable in Soul World when Drax gave him such a tough fight.

well, it wasnt me who said that warlock is unbeatable in soul world...but, he has a clean slate in soul world...he is the master of that realm, psychosomatic or not, what was to stop him from using his other abilities in subduing drax...he saw drax's weakness, which was his lack of intelligence and took advantage of it, plain and simple...a win is a win...

anyway, INFINITY WATCH for the win...

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted
Originally posted by bigbran
Oh, shit then, I'm wrong.

no no, Wonder Woman vs Storm happened in DC vs Marvel, that was retconned out. Superman Beating Thor was cannon. it's mentioned in a few stories after that.

Jimmy-Chan Senior Member

My only point regarding Warlock/Drax is that Warlock is far from invincible in that realm.

As for WW/Storm, wouldn't that be one of Storm's "higher" showings? See what I mean? 🙂 That's why I prefer averaging. To me, averaging seems more objective than just asking who has the highest high.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
My only point regarding Warlock/Drax is that Warlock is far from invincible in that realm.

As for WW/Storm, wouldn't that be one of Storm's "higher" showings? See what I mean? 🙂 That's why I prefer averaging. To me, averaging seems more objective than just asking who has the highest high.

that showing of storm can't be used becuz it's not cannon.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
My only point regarding Warlock/Drax is that Warlock is far from invincible in that realm.

As for WW/Storm, wouldn't that be one of Storm's "higher" showings? See what I mean? 🙂 That's why I prefer averaging. To me, averaging seems more objective than just asking who has the highest high.

I like doing that too, unless someone has more higher showings than there lower ones.(Thanos, normal Supes, James Bond)

Sixth_Winged Senior Member
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The gems can't be used in conjuction. They are forbidden. and i haven't used any low showings of anyone. you must have me confused. the thread started already stated the states of each of the combatants.

And who said they are being used in conjunction with the scenario that i gave. I merely had gamora stop time, take out the gems from her fellow members and give it to Thanos. Even as separate gems acting on separate powers, they're still quite the edge at the hands of Thanos.

And if you read the thread starters initial post, he's also counting Darkseid's defeat at the hand of superman. So that could only mean one thing, and that low showings(against Superman) is valid and counted.

nvrbeenwthagirl Restricted

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
And who said they are being used in conjunction with the scenario that i gave. I merely had gamora stop time, take out the gems from her fellow members and give it to Thanos. Even as separate gems acting on separate powers, they're still quite the edge at the hands of Thanos.

And if you read the thread starters initial post, he's also counting Darkseid's defeat at the hand of superman.


and how many times has gamora stopped time?