Originally posted by Draco69
For the same reason, Galactus simply doesn't freeze time, step on the Fantastic Four and dilute their genetic codes to bacteria....
I could go into a plethora of scenerios in DC and Marvel where big boys like G are taken down, please.
Originally posted by Draco69
PIS. Abraxas could have just fired an eyebeam at Richards or something.
That's your baseless opinion, and your entitled.
Originally posted by Draco69
Stop reaching. Reed won't get a chance to press the button. These beings are all infinitely faster than Reed or Wanda. Only hope is Thanos....
It's a free country and you have that right, though your wrong.
Originally posted by Draco69
"No...more...mutants"Thought
Eyes closed lots of bright lights
Concentration
Everything goes white...
Execution.
Wanda dies before she can even make a fake kid to cuddle with.
Go back and read House of M, when she caused the Chaos Wave there was NO THINKING, she was throwing power around like a mad woman and breached the walls of causality.
Originally posted by Draco69
Oh yes. Turning back time will work on Parallax....
By the MASTER of TIME, Indeed.
Originally posted by Draco69
Yeah...
THINK.
A guy who did all that couldn't simply stop a guy from pressing a button.
PIS.
It always come down to "PIS" if there is no way around the debate.
My turn...hysterical2
Originally posted by Draco69
Honey:
"honey"?...This ain't the time nor the place.
Originally posted by Draco69
2) You're disregarding the forum rules. Characters will fight to the BEST of their abilities.
Don't teach about the rules friend, I been here for quite a while.
Originally posted by Draco69
Which means Richards and Wanda get zapped to tachyons in the first nanosecondth of a picosecond.
Your baseless opinion again.
Reed wasn't zapped during the Abraxas arc, and Wanda wasn't zapped during M (and the ENTIRE Omni-verse was in jeopardy)
Originally posted by Draco69
If we did a forum battle between Abraxas and Richards with the UN, I would go with Abraxas because he would zap Reed in a nanosecond instead of grandstanding like an idiot.....
To bad it doesn't work that way in comics.
Originally posted by Juntai
GL contained it for a moment. But that crazy stuff is what GL's do. Still stands that Imperiex's wave destroyed the previous multiverse.Most of the rest of that is compete speculation.
Even the character that said it was just speculating, given the context in which it was said.
Yet you take it as fact for some reason. 😕
I don't think it's that bad considering that Reed blasted LT recently from the comfort of his home and seemed to hurt him considerably...
Originally posted by Mr Master
I could go into a plethora of scenerios in DC and Marvel where big boys like G are taken down, please.
And most of them involve the following:
1) A convinent plot-device
2) A convinent locale where Galacutus can't fight at his full potential
3) Galactus was injured in a battle previously or he's hungry
4) Galactus just stands there talking or firing laser beams that barely damage a 1956 Lexus...
5) Something to do with Franklin Richards.
6) Galactus surrenders because of some vow, some cosmic interfering or because they're not "worth his time."
If Galactus were to face Richards and his nearly incestous family in a straight up fight were Galacutus in not hampered by PIS/CIS or the Marvel editorial team, the FF would die..rather quickly.
Imperiux should have just exploded in another damn solar system. It doesn't matter WHERE he does it. Instead he comes all the way to a planet chock full of metahumans....
Originally posted by Mr Master
That's your baseless opinion, and your entitled.
No. That's pure common sense and logic. Something you're ignoring. If I were a nearly omniscent cosmic being facing a guy with a creation ending TV remote, I would think I would use my powers to prevent that said guy from simply pressing a button.
Like turning him into a bunch of frogs.
Which falls under forum rules. Abraxas in a forum battle against Richards would cream the bastard.....
Originally posted by Mr Master
It's a free country and you have that right, though your wrong.
No. I'm right. You're just thinking an extremely illogical scenario where two human beings with an extreme power source yet normal human reflexes will somehow react and think faster than beings where a picosecond is as long as year and their consciousness can exist in past, present and future.....
Yeah....
Originally posted by Mr Master
Go back and read House of M, when she caused the Chaos Wave there was NO THINKING, she was throwing power around like mad woman and breached the walls of causality.
You obviously skipped the last page where she was humping her twin brother's leg on the ground and wearing a oversized parka sold at Big & Tall, where she was obviously in deep concentration and taking a moment to rewrite reality.
Notice the heroes managed to react though they failed to react in time. Emma Frost and Dr. Strange actually managed to halt the complete extermination of the mutant race. Thus if THEY can do it....
Yep. Anti-Monitor and Parallax are much slower than Wolverine and Cyclops in your mind...
Originally posted by Mr Master
By the MASTER of TIME, Indeed.
Time has no meaning against a guy who can rewrite time and the laws of the universe like taffy. Hell he wanted everything to be reverted back to the late 50s. When everything was "simple". And he almost did if the Spectre hadn't stopped him...
You seriously believe that time-travel is gonna work on Parallax???
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Originally posted by Mr Master
It always come down to "PIS" if there is no way around the debate.
Sure there is. You're just ignoring the forum rules because it doesn't suit your interests and because you're not smart enough to argue properly while adhering to the "No SvFL" rules.
In this battle ALL players will be at their best and fighting as if everything the hold dear is on the line. Meaning Wanda and Reed die in amount of time that simply can't be measured. Thanos will be the only one left standing because he can most certainly endure it.
Tell me this? Who would win? Flash or Reed Richards with the UN?
If you say, Richards, than that just proves my case of you arguing illogically.
In case you get the above question wrong: Flash grabs the UN before Richards can blink.
Anti-Monitor can move fast than translightspeed and even PC Flash.
Parallax reached the Source Wall "instantenously" which is at the very end of the universe.
Imperiux was traveling several lightyears per minute.
Ya catch my drift?
Originally posted by Mr Master
Don't try and teach about rules friend.
But you so not following them...
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Originally posted by Mr Master
Your baseless opinion again.
Except some common sense.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Reed wasn't zapped during the Abraxas arc, and Wanda wasn't zapped during M (and the ENTIRE Omni-verse was in jeopardy)
Yep. Because Abraxas was paralazed at the spot and he did his customary "NOOOOOOOO" as he reaches out to Reed at the pace of turtle...
Wanda wasn't zapped by a lightspeed laser. She WAS shot by an arrow...
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Originally posted by Mr Master
To bad it doesn't work that way in comics.
Too bad it doesn't work this way in the forums, honey.
If we followed your mindset, we would all agree that Wolverine can beat Hulk, 6/10....
Originally posted by Draco69
And most of them involve the following:1) A convinent plot-device
2) A convinent locale where Galacutus can't fight at his full potential
3) Galactus was injured in a battle previously or he's hungry
4) Galactus just stands there talking or firing laser beams that barely damage a 1956 Lexus...
5) Something to do with Franklin Richards.
6) Galactus surrenders because of some vow, some cosmic interfering or because they're not "worth his time."
That's comics honey, deal with it.
Originally posted by Draco69
If Galactus were to face Richards and his nearly incestous family in a straight up fight were Galacutus in not hampered by PIS/CIS or the Marvel editorial team, the FF would die..rather quickly.
"not hampered by PIS/CIS or the Marvel editorial team",
If every Cosmic acted exactly according to their potential, comic books involving Cosmics would last one maybe two pages.
Originally posted by Draco69
Imperiux should have just exploded in another damn solar system. It doesn't matter WHERE he does it. Instead he comes all the way to a planet chock full of metahumans....
Exactly my point,
those are comic books baby.
Originally posted by Draco69
No. That's pure common sense and logic. Something you're ignoring. If I were a nearly omniscent cosmic being facing a guy with a creation ending TV remote, I would think I would use my powers to prevent that said guy from simply pressing a button.Like turning him into a bunch of frogs.
Which falls under forum rules.
Forum rules?
You think I'll take Forum rules over On Panel Evidence, you crazy.
Originally posted by Draco69
Abraxas in a forum battle against Richards would cream the bastard.....
Whether you agree or not,
On Panel, Reed ERASED Abraxas.
Originally posted by Draco69
No. I'm right. You're just thinking an extremely illogical scenario where two human beings with an extreme power source yet normal human reflexes will somehow react and think faster than beings where a picosecond is as long as year and their consciousness can exist in past, present and future.....
Yeah....
This battle, like ALL hypothetical company crossover battles in VS Forum, is based on FEATS, cause that is the ONLY way to guage these character accurately. (who will NEVER meet, in comics)
Originally posted by Draco69
You obviously skipped the last page where she was humping her twin brother's leg on the ground and wearing a oversized parka sold at Big & Tall, where she was obviously in deep concentration and taking a moment to rewrite reality.Notice the heroes managed to react though they failed to react in time. Emma Frost and Dr. Strange actually managed to halt the complete extermination of the mutant race. Thus if THEY can do it....
Yep. Anti-Monitor and Parallax are much slower than Wolverine and Cyclops in your mind...
I know exactly what your talking about.
Still, when the actual Breach was caused, this was not that incident.
And you said:
Originally posted by Draco69
The Chaoswave is a power housed in an ordinary human that requires thought, concentration and execution.
Which is incorrect,
FAR before she began to Remake 616 Universe, the Wave was at hand from a Global Alteration, courtesy of Wanda
Originally posted by Draco69
Time has no meaning against a guy who can rewrite time and the laws of the universe like taffy. Hell he wanted everything to be reverted back to the late 50s. When everything was "simple". And he almost did if the Spectre hadn't stopped him...
You seriously believe that time-travel is gonna work on Parallax???
Parallax can rewrite Time, while Thanos controls ALL of Time.
Not Time-travel, absolute Time control.
Originally posted by Draco69
Sure there is. You're just ignoring the forum rules because it doesn't suit your interests and because you're not smart enough to argue properly while adhering to the "No SvFL" rules.
And now your going to measure my intelligence and debating skills.
I'm not a smooth, funny debater, I get down to business and that's that.
You may convey your opinions in a wittier format than me, but that doesn't make you right, not now not ever.
Originally posted by Draco69
In this battle ALL players will be at their best and fighting as if everything the hold dear is on the line. Meaning Wanda and Reed die in amount of time that simply can't be measured. Thanos will be the only one left standing because he can most certainly endure it.
Imperiex was paused by GL, what happened to that mighty speed?
AM was greatly weakened by Spectre, after he Remade the Multi-verse, Reed can do the same with the UN.
Wanda was threatening the Omni-verse, where are all these incredible speedsters?
Perhaps speed is not enough.
If Wanda can Remake a Universe many times over, what's a freaking force field to her, or Time management.
Or do you think her power is confined to Remaking Realities?
Originally posted by Draco69
Tell me this? Who would win? Flash or Reed Richards with the UN?
If Reed presses the button first, Flash dies.
If Flash moves before Reed, Reed dies
Originally posted by Draco69
Anti-Monitor can move fast than translightspeed and even PC Flash.
Parallax reached the Source Wall "instantenously" which is at the very end of the universe.
Thanos can simply shield Reed and fight at the same time, and Thanos only needs to give Reed enough time to press the button.
Meanwhile Wanda's Chaos Wave is being dropped on AM's head.
Originally posted by Draco69
Imperiux was traveling several lightyears per minute. Ya catch my drift?
Wasn't fast enough to escape GL containment bubble, catch mine?
Originally posted by Draco69
Yep. Because Abraxas was paralazed at the spot and he did his customary "NOOOOOOOO" as he reaches out to Reed at the pace of turtle...
Comics.
Originally posted by Draco69
Wanda wasn't zapped by a lightspeed laser. She WAS shot by an arrow...
And...Nothing irreversible happened.
"kill shot"?...Never proven, speculation.
Originally posted by Draco69
Too bad it doesn't work this way in the forums, honey.
On Panel Reed defeated Abraxas, except it.
Originally posted by Draco69
If we followed your mindset, we would all agree that Wolverine can beat Hulk, 6/10....
Actually, I don't agree with that.
Originally posted by Mr Master
That's comics honey, deal with it.
And this a versus forum, sweetiecakes. Deal with those issues first.
If I couldn't handle comics, I wouldn't read them no would I?
Originally posted by Mr Master
If every Cosmic acted exactly according to their potential, comic books involving Cosmics would last one maybe two pages.
Good Boy. Now, using THAT logic, how would this forum battle last?
Oh and it would last a page. Maybe a half a panel at best..with stick figures.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Exactly my point,those are comic books baby.
And this is a versus forum. A point you don't seem to get.....
Originally posted by Mr Master
Forum rules?You think I'll take Forum rules over On Panel Evidence, you crazy.
Than this is rather pointless trying to reason with you...
Keep believing Wolverine can beat the Hulk...with bone claws no less.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Whether you agree or not,On Panel, Reed ERASED Abraxas.
I'm not disputing it didn't happen. Once again, you're confused.
I AM disputing your belief that outside panel, on this forum no less that Abraxas would nuke Reed's ass, UN or no UN, before his little pinkie gets anywhere near that button....
Originally posted by Mr Master
This battle, like ALL hypothetical company crossover battles in VS Forum, is based on FEATS, cause that is the ONLY way to guage these character accurately. (who will NEVER meet, in comics)
Feats and logic. A hypothetical battle cannot be judged on any other basis. You disregarding logic for some childlike imagination of a battle that simply doesn't make sense.
That's what we do here. We use feats and logic to dicate who would win.
You've got the feats down (only Marvel anyway) but you're completely disregarding any sane sense of logic of what would likely occur in non-plot battle where two characters are not hamperned by plot obligations.
Which is the entire purpose of this forum.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I know exactly what your talking about.
And yet you're plainly covering your ears and going "Blah Blah Blah!! BFFFPPPPT!"
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Originally posted by Mr Master
Parallax can rewrite Time, while Thanos controls ALL of Time.Not Time-travel, absolute Time control.
Explain to me how a person who can control time is any different from a person who can "rewrite" or essentially manipulate time to whatever he wants?
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Good Lord....
Originally posted by Mr Master
And now your going to measure my intelligence and debating skills.I'm not a smooth, funny debater, I get down to business and that's that.
Whoop de doo. On a comics forum no less. Very admirable...
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If you truely got down to "business" 😂 *snort* than you would make sure to read and follow the forum rules or else your posts are really no better than that David Richards guy.
The guy who says Nightwing can sneak up on Northstar.
It happens in comics, baby!
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Originally posted by Mr Master
You may convey your opinions in a wittier format than me, but that doesn't make you right, not now not ever.
It's not an opinion. It's common sense. Fact. Jesus. How can you possibly think a human with normal to slightly above normal reflexes can react and act faster than three beings who on occasion make the Flash look like a snail....?
That's right, you're not thinking at all....
Originally posted by Mr Master
Imperiex was paused by GL, what happened to that mighty speed?
Maybe because GL is a translightspeed being in space when he uses his ring...?
Originally posted by Mr Master
AM was greatly weakened by Spectre, after he Remade the Multi-verse, Reed can do the same with the UN.
You're comparing the Logoz, the Wrath of God, the Supreme Being to a guy with normal human reflexes with a Big Bang TV remote.
Good Lord.
No. Just...ugh...no.
AM zaps Reed before he can press the UN. Done and done. He's a cosmic being who can on many occasions outevade PC Flash.
Use some common sense.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Wanda was threatening the Omni-verse, where are all these incredible speedsters?
Convinently not in the area. Nightcrawler also forgot he could teleport too....
What ARE you doing? You're just throwing a tantrum now and even worse skimping on the issue....
Originally posted by Mr Master
Perhaps speed is not enough.
Perhaps the writer wrote a story that had plotholes....
Originally posted by Mr Master
If Wanda can Remake a Universe many times over, what's a freaking force field to her, or Time management.
Time Management? What she's gonna plan out her last few nanoseconds to live?
Wanda gets zapped before she can think.
Your scenario:
AM & his companions just sit there and watch Wanda go nuts.
My scenario:
At the start of the bell, they start zapping everything they see. Wanda and Reed die in a picosecond. Thanos is all that remains.
Which one sounds more logically able to happen...
Originally posted by Mr Master
Or do you think her power is confined to Remaking Realities?
No. I think she's a mortal with a frail body that is quite vulnerable to complete disinergration (and arrows!) with normal human reflexes and reaction times that cannot hope to match the DC trio....or Thanos for that matter....
Originally posted by Mr Master
If Reed presses the button first, Flash dies.
If?! 🤨
It's a statistical impossiblity. Flash would have to trip several thousand times per nanosecond for that to happen...
Originally posted by Mr Master
If Flash moves before Reed, Reed dies
GOOD!! 🙂
Now let's say THREE cosmic beings who are at the very least comparable to the Flash in speed and reactions were to face Richards with the UN, what would happen?
You can do it!
Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanos can simply shield Reed and fight at the same time, and Thanos only needs to give Reed enough time to press the button.
Thanos doesn't possess the speed to do so. There is a slight chance that could happen. Not likely to happen though.
And what makes you think that the Big Bang would hurt these three. They all survived one. Anti-Monitor survived several. Hell, Imperiux lives to start them and the bastard just absorbs it....
Originally posted by Mr Master
Meanwhile Wanda is the Chaos Wave is being dropped on AM's head.
Before Wanda is incinerated by a galaxy-destroying omniblast from Parallax? Unlikely.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Wasn't fast enough to escape GL containment bubble, catch mine?
No, you're catching mine.
This is sheer hypocrisy. YOU'RE critizing the fact that Imperiux with his speed couldn't evade Green Lantern....yet you absolutely validate that Abraxas couldn't destroy Richards by time he pressed the button.
Riiiiight....
And GL is just as fast by the way.....
Originally posted by Mr Master
Comics.
Forum. You've been here long enough to at least acknowledge the way things work here.
And it's "comics" for Reed and Abraxas but on the other hand you're arguing that Imperiux won't be fast enough because of a potentially PIS moment from Green Lantern?
Hypocrisy...
Originally posted by Mr Master
And...Nothing irreversible happened."kill shot"?...Never proven, speculation.
She was injured by the arrow. She bled. It simply proves that she IS suspectible to damage...like a galaxy-busting laserblast....
Are you speculating out of nowhere that somehow Wanda will "wish" herself back from sparse molecules floating in oblivion...?
Originally posted by Mr Master
On Panel Reed defeated Abraxas, except it.
This is too funny:
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, I don't agree with that.
It happened on panel, Mr. Master. Accept that Wolverine can beat the Hulk.
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I'm not stating I don't "accept it". It just wouldn't happen that way on any versus forum on the net....