Originally posted by Fishy
Communists states aren't the way that Communism is supposed to be... Communism itself is a brilliant idea, its just hasn't been executed right (yet)
True Communism has one huge flaw, greed, it's part of our nature. The 'wolves' will always want and expect more than others. I do not think it will ever work the way it is supposed too because of that.
Originally posted by Robtard
True Communism has one huge flaw, greed, it's part of our nature. The 'wolves' will always want and expect more than others. I do not think it will ever work the way it is supposed too because of that.
Precisely
On Paper, Communism is the PERFECT Government structure, but it can't work 😱
Originally posted by Robtard
True Communism has one huge flaw, greed, it's part of our nature. The 'wolves' will always want and expect more than others. I do not think it will ever work the way it is supposed too because of that.
Never said it would work, but the idea is perfect...
Doesn't he?He's the epitome of commies.
No he isn't, far from it.. He just used the idea's to become a dictator.
I just fell sorry for all those people that are victims of inproper execution.
Sucks for them, but the fault of that is in the execution of the idea not the idea itself.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
And he wasn't the only one.Communism seems to be a how-to-guide on becoming a dictator and killing millions.
Having absolute control requires all people to give up their freedom, even if the mayority of the people want too there are always those that don't. It's a part of humanity, a lot of people will never give up their priveledged possitions to help others, so those will always have to be dealt with, downside of Communism.. It would require all people to want it to work before it could really work...
Originally posted by Fishy
Having absolute control requires all people to give up their freedom, even if the mayority of the people want too there are always those that don't. It's a part of humanity, a lot of people will never give up their priveledged possitions to help others, so those will always have to be dealt with, downside of Communism.. It would require all people to want it to work before it could really work...
Another flaw, you need a leader or a governing body right? That leader(s) will have by nature more than others, be more privileged than the rest.
Originally posted by Robtard
It isn't perfect then is it?
Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
Sir Winston Churchill
I think that quote pretty much says enough...
Democracy is the best that has been tried because it at least gives some rights to the people, but its far from perfect.
Communism required the people to do what the state wanted and people didn't want to do that, so no the execution of the idea could never be perfect, but it's pretty much the only form of government I know that could actually produce a Utopia
Originally posted by Fishy
Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
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Sir Winston ChurchillI think that quote pretty much says enough...
Democracy is the best that has been tried because it at least gives some rights to the people, but its far from perfect.
Communism required the people to do what the state wanted and people didn't want to do that, so no the execution of the idea could never be perfect, but it's pretty much the only form of government I know that could actually produce a Utopia [/B]
Funny you bring up Democracy, true Democracy doesn't really exist, just as true Communism has never existed. A true Democracy would be in all effect 'mob rule', what we (America) have is closer to a Representative Republic, we vote in leaders that we hope will carry our thoughts, ideals and wishes into effect.
But on the point of Communism being a perfect idea. It can never work logically thinking, so even the idea isn't perfect. Maybe in Gene Roddenberry's idea of the future, but we are far from that.
Originally posted by Fishy
Democracy wasn't invented to make the mob rule, it was invented to make the mob choose who would rule, that alway's been the idea of a democracy... Actually letting people decide was never part of the grand design....True democracy's have existed plenty of times...
Would you mind pointing them out? I love to learn.
Democracy:a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.
I can't think of any governmet where "the people" had/have "supreme power".
communism and socialism are ideals which are impractical. it assumes that man is a rational being and that nobody will exploit such a vulnerable system. its intensely naive, i think people are foolish for believing in it, but its not an evil ideal. in fact perhaps its the most virtuous. like i said though, it is presently impossible for such a system to take place. maybe 1000 years from now we'll be communists and the world will be perfect.
however the real idiots of this thread are the ones who equate dictators who called themselves 'communists' to the ideal of communism.
Originally posted by Robtard
Among the numerous reasons for why America (Bush Co.) went into Iraq, Iran was one of them. Either Bush and Co. thought that rolling over Saddam would scare Ahmadinejad and the Ayatollahs into submission and/or they figured when the USA/Iran fight starts, America would have a perfect staging ground, Iraq itself.
Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Iran was a definite bonus for a possible war against Iran, but we went in there for other reasons, Saddam was a tyrannical madman, he did, and was trying to get WMD's. Plus we needed more Allies in the region, no Hostile Governments, Iraq is slowly but surely becoming Secure, and is going to become a Major Player in coming events
Re: U.S.A vs. Iran
Originally posted by JOE NUNEZ
Should we have fought Iran instead of Iraq? It just seems that Iran is doing what ever it wants in the persute of nuclear weapons...
Technically neither should have been attacked for the official reasons given prior to the Iraqi was. Unless the US has become some sort of saving angel seeking out all human suffering then neither Iran or Iraq should have been attacked as they weren't attacking the US. War without actual provecation, or for claimed strategic purposes is a dangerous trend.
And it is hypocritical in the saving angel scenario - considering the amount of suffering in the world ignored, places of greater suffering, the suffering caused by the War in Iraq, and the suffering that exists in the US itself.
Originally posted by PVS
communism and socialism are ideals which are impractical. it assumes that man is a rational being and that nobody will exploit such a vulnerable system. its intensely naive, i think people are foolish for believing in it, but its not an evil ideal. in fact perhaps its the most virtuous. like i said though, it is presently impossible for such a system to take place. maybe 1000 years from now we'll be communists and the world will be perfect.however the real idiots of this thread are the ones who equate dictators who called themselves 'communists' to the ideal of communism.
"True Communism has one huge flaw, greed, it's part of our nature. The 'wolves' will always want and expect more than others. I do not think it will ever work the way it is supposed too because of that."
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"But on the point of Communism being a perfect idea. It can never work logically thinking, so even the idea isn't perfect. Maybe in Gene Roddenberry's idea of the future, but we are far from that."
See PVS, even two hard-heads like us can agree on certain issues.