Originally posted by Mider999
darkseid is skyfather level, takion is near there kingdom come gog is another big gun of course, if its not then i dont know what to say cause everyone says he has diffrent powers. I say darkseid by himself would own the heralds, it would be a total slaughter.
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanPlease tell me where the trouble arrised.
I don't think the reduced Tyrant was above Skyfather level. He had some breif trouble with guys like Surfer, Jack of Hearts, and Gladiator. He was probably upper Skyfather level, though. I'd probably give Odin the slight nod over the reduced Tyrant.
Originally posted by Mider999
darkseid is skyfather level, takion is near there kingdom come gog is another big gun of course, if its not then i dont know what to say cause everyone says he has diffrent powers. I say darkseid by himself would own the heralds, it would be a total slaughter.
darkseid by himself would own the heralds?
no offense but your post reeks of either ignorance or bias....
For one, Tyrant's fight with them wasn't short. Also, they were still drained from his machines. Gladiator matched his beams briefly, Surfer hurt him with a sucker blast (so did Ganymede), and in CPU Jack of Hearts was able to keep him occupied for a few panels, turning his head and making him wince with his hits. Tyrant would've one shotted them all if he was really above Skyfather level.
Originally posted by sexyking
🙄 DC team wins, and to the thread starter tyrant isnt a herald at least not in the manner we know heralds.
When I strarted the thread, I was assuming we were talking about the tyrant that could match galactus. Which means that he was gonna be taking up at least darkseid,s'ivaan, and maybe even takion's time during the battle. I even said I forgot to add morg to the battle. which even the odd's quite a bit. Since Jimmy Chan has been posting on Darksied, I don't think Takion would be required to fight tyrant. Just darkseid and S'ivaan. But it changes nothing. The battle is still pretty even. The unforgotten ONe and The Ultimate destroyer and MOrg wol are gonna be tuff nuts to crack. This battle could go either way.
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanStill drained? They seemed pretty healthy to me.
For one, Tyrant's fight with them wasn't short. Also, they were still drained from his machines.
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanYa, when Tyrant was playing with them. And matching, and beating, is completely different!
Gladiator matched his beams briefly,
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanNever happened!
Surfer hurt him with a sucker blast
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanIn the back of the head, with her staff.
(so did Ganymede),
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanAnd Jack of Hearts did nothing to Thanos, who we all know is on Tyrant's level. 🙄
and in CPU Jack of Hearts was able to keep him occupied for a few panels, turning his head and making him wince with his hits.
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanAnd he could have. If he wasn't toying with them.
Tyrant would've one shotted them all if he was really above Skyfather level.
But, lets take a looky over here, shall we?
Zeus stalemated Thor. What is Zeus?
Thor has beaten Mangog, what level is Mangog?
And then we have Beta Ray Bill,(who is on the same level as Thor)who did absolutely nothing, to Tyrant.
Originally posted by bigbran
Still drained? They seemed pretty healthy to me.
It was never stated that their power was returned to them. I take it they were each still mildly weakened after his machines had sucked their power in.
Originally posted by bigbranYa, when Tyrant was playing with them. And matching, and beating, is completely different!
Yes, but the fact that Tyrant >>>>>>>> Heralds isn't disputed. What I'm questioning is that the depowered Tyrant (whose blast didn't even phase Galactus) is really ABOVE Skyfather level, rather than a high-end Skyfather leveller like Odin.
Originally posted by bigbranNever happened!
Yes it did, just as he was downing Glads. Tyrant grunted from the attack. "Gaargh!" or some such.
Originally posted by bigbran
In the back of the head, with her staff.
Still don't see that happening to someone who's on a whole different level of power from Odin.
Originally posted by bigbranAnd Jack of Hearts did nothing to Thanos, who we all know is on Tyrant's level.
Jack's blast actually knocked Thanos off-balance and impressed him. Thanos stated "This could be more difficult than I imagined" after taking JoH's blast. Mind you, Thanos still won handidly, but he didn't take the blast to zero effect.
Originally posted by bigbran🙄 And he could have. If he wasn't toying with them.
I see no evidence he was "toying" with them. It's not like he gets some great satisfaction out of physical combat. He wanted to put them down. Now, I'm sure he could one-shot each of them if he landed a really good blast (in fact, he did one-shot Surfer in the previous issue), but the way the fight went makes it hard for me to beleive that he's significantly more powerful than Odin.
Originally posted by bigbran
But, lets take a looky over here, shall we?Zeus stalemated Thor. What is Zeus?
Zeus had the advantage. Zeus has also beaten an Avengers team that includes Thor just as easily as Tyrant beat those heroes.
Originally posted by bigbran
Thor has beaten Mangog, what level is Mangog?
He's lost all of his fights to Mangog except one.
Originally posted by bigbran
And then we have Beta Ray Bill,(who is on the same level as Thor)who did absolutely nothing, to Tyrant. [/B]
Thor's hit did absolutely nothing to Zeus in the Avengers fight. Masterson Thor's had no effect on Heimdell w/ Odin's power before. Odin himself took a combo blast from Thanos and Surfer unaffected once. Darkseid himself has taken attacks from a GL ring, Lobo, Darkstars, and Supergirl each to no effect.
Taking a top tier's hit to no effect is a Skyfather level feat of durability.
Tyrant is on a Skyfather level, he absorbs biosphere energy from planets through out the universe. Tyrant was toying with them, he could've knocked all their asses out with thought if he wanted too but he didn't, he waned to have some fun and that he did.
Darkseid is consider a high end sky-father in his universe, since Odin one shot the Silver Surfer Darkseid will ick their ass with using his omega effect, but if the hearlders work together with the likes of Silver Surfer/ Morg/ Stardust/ they could win the majority. Tyrant and Destroyer alone can take half of DS team, Destroyer eats sky-fathers for lunch, Hearlders 7/10
Originally posted by the Darkone
Tyrant is on a Skyfather level, he absorbs biosphere energy from planets through out the universe. Tyrant was toying with them, he could've knocked all their asses out with thought if he wanted too but he didn't, he waned to have some fun and that he did.Darkseid is consider a high end sky-father in his universe, since Odin one shot the Silver Surfer Darkseid will ick their ass with using his omega effect, but if the hearlders work together with the likes of Silver Surfer/ Morg/ Stardust/ they could win the majority. Tyrant and Destroyer alone can take half of DS team, Destroyer eats sky-fathers for lunch, Hearlders 7/10
You don't know anything about Takion, S'ivaan, or the infinite man do you?
Originally posted by the Darkone
Infinity Man/ Drax Darkseid older brother, and got his ass killed. Tyrant alone can truly give Infinity man and others hell.
Um the infinity man is nothing to be dismissed so easily like you do. And takion the only one able to halt the power fo ARES with the GOD wave. I think you are doing some over estimating and under estimating. THe teams are nearly equal in power.
Re: Darkseid Strikes back at The Heralds of Galactus
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Pissed about Galactus being able to with Stand the OE, Darksied decides to Take a team against Galactus's Creations.Darkseid
Takion
Orion
Lightray
Infinity Man
Doomsday (Gog Wars)
Gog ( the Other bIg Gun)
Metron (In his Mobius Chair)
Sinestro
Kalibak
S' Ivaa ( Darkseid's Big Gun)vs.
The Fallen One
Silver Surfer
Fire Lord
the Destroyer
Terrax
Nova
Red Shift
Star Dust
Tyrant
Air Walker
And the Dazzler as a herald. ( I liked her)Can Darksied get his revenge on Galactus by killing off Galactus' "children"?
These might be able to do it
Tyrant
Fallen One
Destoryer
And you left out Morg.
Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
The teams are nowhere near equal in power due to S'ivaa. A better fight would be everyone from both teams teaming up against S'ivaa.
shhhh, dont' give me a way, i'm trying to expose the lack of DC knowlege on these forums. How everyone seems to just give marvel the wins without even knowing the power of the dc characters. you just ruined it!!! 🙂
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanThey sure looked like they were in great shape.
It was never stated that their power was returned to them. I take it they were each still mildly weakened after his machines had sucked their power in.
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanHe's either on a Skyfather level, or above. It's that simple.
Yes, but the fact that Tyrant >>>>>>>> Heralds isn't disputed. What I'm questioning is that the depowered Tyrant (whose blast didn't even phase Galactus) is really ABOVE Skyfather level, rather than a high-end Skyfather leveller like Odin.
Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
Yes it did, just as he was downing Glads. Tyrant grunted from the attack. "Gaargh!" or some such.
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanMaybe.
Still don't see that happening to someone who's on a whole different level of power from Odin.
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanOff balance? Impressed him?
Jack's blast actually knocked Thanos off-balance and impressed him. Thanos stated "This could be more difficult than I imagined" after taking JoH's blast. Mind you, Thanos still won handidly, but he didn't take the blast to zero effect.
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanYou call taking blasts head on, trying?
I see no evidence he was "toying" with them. It's not like he gets some great satisfaction out of physical combat. He wanted to put them down.
Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
Now, I'm sure he could one-shot each of them if he landed a really good blast (in fact, he did one-shot Surfer in the previous issue), but the way the fight went makes it hard for me to beleive that he's significantly more powerful than Odin.
Surfer also hit him quite a few times to no effect.
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanI'm just pointing out, Thor did.
Zeus had the advantage. Zeus has also beaten an Avengers team that includes Thor just as easily as Tyrant beat those heroes.
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanHe still stands up to him.
He's lost all of his fights to Mangog except one.
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanAs did Beta Ray Bill's.
Thor's hit did absolutely nothing to Zeus in the Avengers fight.
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanAs it shouldn't.
Masterson Thor's had no effect on Heimdell w/ Odin's power before.
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanThanos took a blast from Odin to no effect too!
Odin himself took a combo blast from Thanos and Surfer unaffected once.
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanAnd Darkseid's a skyfather. As they shouldn't really have an effect on him.
Darkseid himself has taken attacks from a GL ring, Lobo, Darkstars, and Supergirl each to no effect.
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanYes, I know.
Taking a top tier's hit to no effect is a Skyfather level feat of durability.
Originally posted by bigbran
They sure looked like they were in great shape.
They were in good shape in that they weren't hurt, but that doesn't mean that the power his machines had drained away suddenly returned. The fact that his machines planned on using their energy up over a period of time explains why they weren't near death or anything. Still, I doubt they were 100% whe n they fought Tyrant. 90%, maybe.
Originally posted by bigbran
He's either on a Skyfather level, or above. It's that simple.
And Galactus fed before his battle with Tyrant. He wasn't a weak Galactus, like he is on earth. He knew he had to feed.
Tyrant's a high-end Skyfather leveller, IMO. But not above Skyfather level. I'd say he's roughly equal to Odin for raw power (versatility is debatable)
Originally posted by bigbran
Yes. As you can seem, he grunts as Surfer attacks him. The blast made him feel some pain.
Originally posted by bigbranMaybe.
He would probably be on the same level.
But still, that's the only attack that did anything.
Uh, both that and Surfer's attack had roughly the same effect: making him grunt. The only real difference is "Huuunh!" as compared to "Araaagh!"
Originally posted by bigbranOff balance? Impressed him?
Quite a difference from hurting him, don't you think?
I'd imagine he felt some pain, given it made him think that taking JoH in wouldn't be as easy as he'd assumed. Mind you, he didn't have much more effect on Tyrant either -- he turned Tyrant's head and had him grimacing from the blows for a couple of panels. I'd say both felt some pain (enough to commade their attention), though nothing significant.
Originally posted by bigbranYou call taking blasts head on, trying?
Right there, lets bring this exercise to it's end.
That doesn't mean he WANTED to take the blasts head on. The text just seems to back up the fact that he wanted to end it quickly, IMO.
Originally posted by bigbran
Getting hurt once, and then blasting her away in the same page?
He only hit SS 3x in that fight. Odin hit Surfer hard when he Koed Surfer.
Lets look at them.(I already posted one)Surfer also hit him quite a few times to no effect.
Yeah, which is why I consider Tyrant high-end Skyfather level physically, but not above.
Originally posted by bigbranI'm just pointing out, Thor did.
But when Tyrant fights 3 Thor levels, at the same time,(some above, some the same.)And beats there heads in.
You'd think he was above Zeus
Zeus also fought She-Hulk, Namor, and Photon when he beat the Avengers team including Thor. I'd say the showings are comparable.
Anywho, I generally agree that Tyrant is above Zeus. However, I consider Zeus a mid-Skyfather leveller, below Odin.
Originally posted by bigbran
He still stands up to him.
He's also stood up to Celestials for a brief time. 😉 But again, here I agree that Tyrant is more powerful.
Originally posted by bigbran
As did Beta Ray Bill's.
As it shouldn't.
Thanos took a blast from Odin to no effect to.
This kind of helps both our cases.
I think Odin basically just underestimated him at first.
Originally posted by bigbran
And Darkseid's a skyfather. As they shouldn't really have an effect on him.
(cept maybe GL)
I think Skyfather types can generally take Herald-level attacks to no effect, but if they're hit by a good enough one, they can also be hurt to a minor degree.
Originally posted by bigbranYes, I know.
I like you. You have proof, you don't spew bs. Your opinion isn't biased. Keep up the good work. [/B]
Well, we're all biased. It's just a matter of degree. 😉 But thanks.
BTW, I guess people could say S'ivaa's level is debatable. Orion actually survived a blast from him, and Supes/Orion combined were able to knock him off balance. They weren't able to hurt him, though. In fact, he took Darkseid's hand blasts unharmed and was stated to be able to rip through the multiverse by tearing holes in reality, ripping it apart peice by peice. Highfather stated that only the rebalancing of The Source could stop him. In general, I'd have to bring up the fact that he didn't one-shot Supes and Orion when I talk about him. However, the fact that he wasn't really even paying attention to them, along with the statement that only The Source can prevent him from destroying all, implies to me he was at least on the level of a Celestial or Promethean Giant.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NOthing. THe OE will work on some, and the others have powers to shield themselves. For how long I dont know. DS doesn't really care about his team. he'll see them all dead as long as he is the last one standing. if he was smart, he would help S'ivann take on tyrant. and if takion helps, they may be able to take tyrant out. But that leaves many more heralds against the rest of DS team. See this battle isn't as clear cut as people like to make it out to be.
One problem DC has, is that it makes these incredibly powerful beings, and then somehow, the heroes always beat them. which would either make the heroes themselves more powerful, or here on the forum, make the villians seem less powerful as people dont' want to accept superman fighting multiversal threats.
