Black Panther vs Sabretooth

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I believe they are less experienced because of the lack of all those crazy adventures and epic fights that happened in 616.

Did he carry that stuff then? His standard EQ seems to vary a lot.

He commented on how strong his grip was and was passing out in their previous encounter. And that was before Weapon X strength upgrade. So I'm pretty sure he would die in that Evolution arc if Wolverine didn't save him.

This thread was made in 2006, I don't think we're supposed to use current T'Challa. He got that upgrade in Doomwar, right? Haven't read it yet.

Two words. Cosmic Armbar 🙂

I know it was written by Loeb, and? He screwed up with Hulk and Ultimates, but that does not mean everything else he wrote was PIS and shit.

1.when does the house of m diverge form the 616? do you know?

2. notice in both of his encounters that, he lacked vibranium armor, one of his biggest assets, PIS is also evident in the fact that BP generates energy daggers from his, which wasn't until his priest run (his first encounter occurred before that, he got many upgrades in that run). a lethal energy dagger would put down sabertooth for seconds maybe, but it would free BP from his grip.

3. I wasn't aware we were supposed to make separate threads when characters get upgrades. especially since this one is going to be sticking around.

4. like you said, just cause hudlin wrote one instance of PIS (which was explained later anyway, most people ignore that though) doesn't mean you can discount his arc at all.

Originally posted by Trackz
1.when does the house of m diverge form the 616? do you know?

2. notice in both of his encounters that, he lacked vibranium armor, one of his biggest assets, PIS is also evident in the fact that BP generates energy daggers from his, which wasn't until his priest run (his first encounter occurred before that, he got many upgrades in that run). a lethal energy dagger would put down sabertooth for seconds maybe, but it would free BP from his grip.

3. I wasn't aware we were supposed to make separate threads when characters get upgrades. especially since this one is going to be sticking around.

4. like you said, just cause hudlin wrote one instance of PIS (which was explained later anyway, most people ignore that though) doesn't mean you can discount his arc at all.

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Quoted from wiki. As you can see, it's very different from the mainstream.

No vibranium suit? Are you sure?

Meh. Many threads with "current (...) vs" are made.

I discounted the HoM fight, that's all. It was explained? I thought I heard something about it before, but can't remember now. Would be nice if you told me or gave the issue number.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Quoted from wiki. As you can see, it's very different from the mainstream.

No vibranium suit? Are you sure?

Meh. Many threads with "current (...) vs" are made.

I discounted the HoM fight, that's all. It was explained? I thought I heard something about it before, but can't remember now. Would be nice if you told me or gave the issue number.

1.interesting, but weapon x was active most likely, in his line of duty it wouldn't be hard to understand why sabretooth would seek upgrades of his own accord. but these are all assumptions, i agree house of m shouldn't be used.

2. well sabretooth was able to tear through it with his bone claws...and he didnt get the vibranium suit until the priest run...im not sure on that though, so for both fights i don't think he had it.

3. i guess the old version should be used until the current gets more feats.

4. don't have the issue number on hand right now, i could check it later, but essentially T'Challa states that the only reason surfer didn't kill him then was because SS isn't a murderer, not the best explanation, but it was given.

Originally posted by Trackz
1.interesting, but weapon x was active most likely, in his line of duty it wouldn't be hard to understand why sabretooth would seek upgrades of his own accord. but these are all assumptions, i agree house of m shouldn't be used.

2. well sabretooth was able to tear through it with his bone claws...and he didnt get the vibranium suit until the priest run...im not sure on that though, so for both fights i don't think he had it.

3. i guess the old version should be used until the current gets more feats.

4. don't have the issue number on hand right now, i could check it later, but essentially T'Challa states that the only reason surfer didn't kill him then was because SS isn't a murderer, not the best explanation, but it was given.

You tried to justify T'Challa's blow stopping Creed with that stealing momentum thing. But he got cut in that fight... so I guess that must have been one big vibranium glove and nothing more, eh? 😉

Creed's organic claws are nothing to laugh at. And I always thought BP's suit was only stab-resistant?

"Keep the board away or I'll tear your arm off" 🙂

WTF? I'm pretty sure BP had his vibrannium suit in both events.. It's not tear resistant as been proven on more than a few occasions.

it is so.. that was just accidental depiction by artist who dont know about BP and his suit.,. doesnt count unless the narrator says so and points it out as that specifically happening.. even then if it isnt hudlin it doesnt hold much water.

Originally posted by jinzin
WTF? I'm pretty sure BP had his vibrannium suit in both events.. It's not tear resistant as been proven on more than a few occasions.

Originally posted by Starscream M
you still have told me what issue it is that it was stated logan's soul chooses what part of body it decides to heal from

Originally posted by jinzin
You clearly missed my reply previous to that or chose to ignore it alltogether. 😐

Originally posted by Starscream M
nope, I'm pretty sure I saw it and there was no issue #.

Yeah, you're a hypocritical idiot.

Originally posted by jinzin
Oh you mean like the issue you number you supplied of this phantom helper that Wolverine had in a Deathcamp?

Yeah, you're a hypocritical idiot.

you're the one making an outrageously ludicrous claim and therefore the onus is on you

but I knew all along no such issue existed 😬

Just a few things that having skimmed the last few pages, need to be addressed:

1. It's been a while, but the history of HoM Sabretooth was provided during the event. He was a merc who went crazy after the war, SHIELD sent Wolverine to take him down, Magneto got him out of jail and put him to work. He doesn't hold a candle to 616 Sabretooth.

2. When your weapons are attached to your fingers, you can lift in or around 20 tons and you are holding your enemy by the throat, the fight is over. Period. Black Panther couldn't have done anything before Sabretooth simply squeezed his neck and popped off his head. It takes something like 75 pounds of pressure to crush a wind pipe, for Sabretooth it would be like squeezing a fistful of playdo, he'd be crushing BP vertebra into paste. He would also be ding in his claws, severing the spinal column and open his carotid artery in one go, while he was crushing. Ouch! Even if Black Panther managed to make a move faster than Creed (lol), his muscles would likely clinch and do all of the above as a reflex.

3. McDuffie wrote Panther arm baring SS, not Huldin.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You tried to justify T'Challa's blow stopping Creed with that stealing momentum thing. But he got cut in that fight... so I guess that must have been one big vibranium glove and nothing more, eh? 😉

Creed's organic claws are nothing to laugh at. And I always thought BP's suit was only stab-resistant?

"Keep the board away or I'll tear your arm off" 🙂

i know it wasn't the best explanation, but it was there.

All threads are current characters, regardless of when the thread was made, unless the OP states a specific era or version.

Logan isn't in this thread. Please get back to the topic.

Originally posted by Starscream M
umm no...the same standard doesn't apply because I'm stating something based on common sense...ya know...like I don't have to prove that logan has to wipe his butt after taking a dump cuz he doesn't have a magical power that just autowipes his butt

you're the one making an outrageously ludicrous claim and therefore the onus is on you

but I knew all along no such issue existed 😬

And like I already told you... your pleas towards common sense went out the window the minute that Wolverine showed us he could heal WORSE than having his head cut off.. which he's done.... multiple times now.
On top of that the fact that he's proven on panel that his HF COULD heal from a drop of blood given enough energy.
On top of that the fact that Xavier already implied beheading might not do the trick.

Where the f*** is the common sense in ASSUMING some phantom friend is there to help put Logan's head on in a NAZI deathcamp?

THERE ISN'T ANY.
The difference between you and I is that I'm giving you fact after fact and all you're doing is replacing the story we actually got with your version of "common sense"... Like I said, hypocrite.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
3. McDuffie wrote Panther arm baring SS, not Huldin.

racist!
sneer

Starscream and jinzn are like the Odd Couple.

lol

Originally posted by Trackz
true, looking back on it probably not the reason, Killmongers knife shatter on his armor when he tried slashing the suit. if his bone claws cut it, i don't it was vibranium.

i know it wasn't the best explanation, but it was there.

What was his knife made of?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What was his knife made of?