Black Panther vs Sabretooth

Originally posted by SamZED
No I dont think its reasonable, and I agree HoM ST was weaker. He had no ad skeleton and might not have been that strong.

He didn't get any upgrades, that is why. And Hudlin's BP is skyfather level, only Bendispower Clint or Loebforce Rulk could stand a chance against him.

616 Creed didn't have adamantium either when he fought T'Challa.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
that was pretty cool, but what happened to sabretooth after that?

he "died" when the muramasa blade lopped his head off, but that was obviously after that ^ took place so he must have healed (if that was the real creed and not just a sinister clone (if he was able to make one, he said it was too difficult *shrugs*))

and is that canon?

Originally posted by jinzin
no it's House of M storyline...

What actually took place in that story and what didn't are a mix-up...
After that fight BP mails Creed's head in a box back to Magneto iirc.

👆 "Now things are going to get nasty."

Sinister made many Tooth clones.

i skipped most of that whole storyline

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Maybe Sabes wiped the floor with him and said Wolverine he would let him live for a blowjob. 😛

Originally posted by jinzin
😘

After the punishment Creed had to put up with fighting Juggernaught, Gambit and Northstar.. I kinda doubt that.

Look guys, all of you are looking at this problem the wrong way. You only need to ask yourself one question:

Who has arm-barred the strongest herald-leveler between the two?

Once you answer that this thread becomes rather clear.

Originally posted by Starscream M
the ss officer might've not known about someone helping, hence he wasn't lying

even in an enemy territory, there is a high probability someone was sympathetic to logan and decided to help him

are you suggesting the head grew legs and walked itself to the body and attached itself

So in spite of using multiple squads in an attempt to kill Wolverine and KEEP him dead, they somehow managed to let someone in "sympathetic to Wolverine, who ALSO apparently understand a part of his mutant ability" who helped him????????

😐

DEAR LORD! What precisely IS your malfunction scream? It is IMPOSSIBLE to prove a negative, that's why the burdon of proof lies on your shoulders... If you think someone helped Wolverine, you have to prove that they did... But you can't, because that's not what happened, it's not written, drawn, or even suggested, HELL! It's not even a LIKELY scenario!

Stop making things up to explain what you don't like or don't understand... your pleas to "common sense" went flying out the window when we saw Wolverine heal from less than a head...

I'm suggesting his body grew out from the wound, just like it did when he got incinerated.

Originally posted by jinzin

I'm suggesting his body grew out from the wound, just like it did when he got incinerated.

Originally posted by Starscream M
how do you know his body didn't grow another head?

Originally posted by jinzin
I don't; depends on where his soul chose to reside.

oh yeah, thats complete bullcrap you just made up

Originally posted by Starscream M
sniff sniff...hmmm I smell something funky

oh yeah, thats complete bullcrap you just made up

Yeah? hat would be the the whafting stench of your arguments....

I made up? Everything I've EVER stated has been comic fact. Printed BY MARVEL in black and white.. yknow what wasn't? Some phantom helper who put Logan's head back on his shoulders... 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah? hat would be the the whafting stench of your arguments....

I made up? Everything I've EVER stated has been comic fact. Printed BY MARVEL in black and white.. yknow what wasn't? Some phantom helper who put Logan's head back on his shoulders... 😐

PS: I won't be holding my breath.

bp via kimura

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
undecided for you since you dont want to admit BP glaring weaknesses but not for others.

Originally posted by Blanket
bp via kimura

Originally posted by Starscream M
oh yeah...care to tell me what issue it STATES that logan's soul decide what part of his body to enter into after he dies?

PS: I won't be holding my breath.

I like how you somehow think you're making headway on this argument against healing factors though....

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ya rly! I didn't say a word about them having new powers. You said they were the same. Why HoM Creed looks so different from his 616 counterpart? Maybe the fact that he hasn't undergone any upgrades has something to do with it?

It's a different reality. Different skills, methods, less feats, most likely these characters are less experienced...

He wouldn't admit his life was in danger even if he faced Galactus. But anyway... I guess Wolverine saying that he could have handled Wonder Man also counts? Fine. I'll keep that in mind.

BP has admitted his life is in danger and asked for aid in such scenarios, the fact that he had his hands free and he's able to generate energy daggers from them as well as anti-metal claws means that the fight was far from over.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, they weren't. And in 616 Panther got owned, period.

Originally posted by aristoraptor
I sympathize with your argument, but the physics here are all wrong.

1. Sabretooth can come down with enough force to blow up a cab.
2. At the same time Sabretooth hits the cab, the cab is exerting force back onto Sabretooth.
3. Sabretooth's force is so much greater than that of the cab, the cab is crushed.

I think all of this is uncontroversial. Now, imagine this scenario:
1. T'Challa punches a cab on top as hard as he can.
2. At the same time BP hits the cab, the cab exerts force back on to his fist.

What happens in 3? Well, imho, T'Challa probably breaks his fist. He can't exert enough force to break the cab; in fact, the sum of his force and the force of the cab probably shatters his arm.

Even if this doesn't happen and his fist is fine, I don't think he's breaking the cab. His force isn't great enough. Since this is the case, the force of his punch isn't nearly enough to stop an oncoming Sabretooth- who had enough force to absolutely demolish the cab. This fact alone makes me think HoM BP vs. Sabes is inadmissible.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He didn't get any upgrades, that is why. And Hudlin's BP is skyfather level, only Bendispower Clint or Loebforce Rulk could stand a chance against him.

616 Creed didn't have adamantium either when he fought T'Challa.

👆 "Now things are going to get nasty."

Sinister made many Tooth clones.

Originally posted by jinzin
lulz.. dude it's an established FACT that Wolverine would heal once his soul fought to find its way back to his body. It only stands to reason wherever his soul ended up would be where the healing started.... 😐

I like how you somehow think you're making headway on this argument against healing factors though....

Originally posted by Trackz
while agree that alternate universes aren't applicable, there's really nothing to support your theory that the characters are less experienced, you can hardly say it's most likely

BP has admitted his life is in danger and asked for aid in such scenarios, the fact that he had his hands free and he's able to generate energy daggers from them as well as anti-metal claws means that the fight was far from over.

I believe they are less experienced because of the lack of all those crazy adventures and epic fights that happened in 616.

Did he carry that stuff then? His standard EQ seems to vary a lot.

Originally posted by Trackz
the fight wasn't over, that's like me saying Panther owned wovlerine when he chucked him back at the x-men and then his team intervened. you can't use double standards, however again T'Challa's upgrades have yet to be seen, this fight might be a stomp in his favor seeing as he has been hinted to having magical abilities now.

He commented on how strong his grip was and was passing out in their previous encounter. And that was before Weapon X strength upgrade. So I'm pretty sure he would die in that Evolution arc if Wolverine didn't save him.

This thread was made in 2006, I don't think we're supposed to use current T'Challa. He got that upgrade in Doomwar, right? Haven't read it yet.

Originally posted by Trackz
you act like hudlin is somewhat biased, when panther has always been capable of extraordinary feats. he was taking on the fantastic four in his first appearances. Priest had him traveling marvel earth dealign out ownage, Ironman and Ironfist being two examples. In addition you just attested to the stupidity of Loeb's writing but the main example being cited is BP's fight with Sabretooth written by Loeb....

Two words. Cosmic Armbar 🙂

I know it was written by Loeb, and? He screwed up with Hulk and Ultimates, but that does not mean everything else he wrote was PIS and shit.