Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I love that her response to the accusation that she is indoctrinating children is tantamount to "Everyone else is doing it, so why shouldn't we?"
With them having that mentality the answer is simple - we need to make them think everyone else is jumping of cliffs like lemmings.
Problem solved.
What the...?
Seriouslym now. I watched a full report regarding this, off a link on some kind of strange Christian television.
What disturbed me the most (apart from the...entire idea) was the woman saying that she wants Children to be devoted and willing to die and fight for Jesus the way Muslim children are.
WTF? Christians and Muslims are having a copetition who can create more fanatical children.
Isn't this child abuse?!
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
What the...?Seriouslym now. I watched a full report regarding this, off a link on some kind of strange Christian television.
What disturbed me the most (apart from the...entire idea) was the woman saying that she wants Children to be devoted and willing to die and fight for Jesus the way Muslim children are.
WTF? Christians and Muslims are having a copetition who can create more fanatical children.
Isn't this child abuse?!
In a sane world it would be.
One of the wonders of fanatcism and indoctrination - it is so easily transferable across all causes.
Ah for a world of rationality where all people thought fanatacism was something to be avoided... not embraced.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
What the...?Seriously now. I watched a full report regarding this, off a link on some kind of strange Christian television.
What disturbed me the most (apart from the...entire idea) was the woman saying that she wants Children to be devoted and willing to die and fight for Jesus the way Muslim children are.
WTF? Christians and Muslims are having a copetition who can create more fanatical children.
Isn't this child abuse?!
It's only child abuse if they're paying taxes. Otherwise it's indoctrination.
The fanatacism race is one that can't be won. These people believe that their religion is an "eye for an eye" negotiation. But, just like Ghandi said: An eye for an eye only leaves the whole world blind.
I'm interested to see this film.
I help teach the Superchurch (sunday school) with my wife once a month, and her sister and husband (my brother and sister-in-law) are the heads of the childrens ministry for our church.
It sounds as though this lady, Becky whatever, has good intentions, but has taken them WAY too far off track.
Our classes teach about Jesus, who he was and what he did, what Christians believe, and how living with Jesus inside you can give you joy, healing from sickness, and help in times of need.
While our church is non-denominational, many of the leadership people are from Pentecostal backrounds.
When lead by the Holy Spirit, one of our head pastors has given prophetic words to people, and many of us pray in tounges. (myself included)
However, these are things are touched on briefly to the kids, explained as part of the gifts that Christians can have when filled with the Holy Spirit (as opposed to telling the kids that they should do them), and not a big focus in our ministry as a whole, and certainly not in any given sunday lesson.
I have mixed feelings about this film.
From a Christian perspective, children can indeed have an enormous effect on things, and should not be relegated to the backround.
It was young David, at age 12 who defeated a giant named Goliath when the whole army of Israel could not.
Jesus himself wanted the children to come to him and learn his teachings along with the adults.
I cannot in good conscience however, condone the idea that these kids should be ready to "lay down their lives like the muslim kids do" garbage that the lady is preaching.
That's flat out wrong.
Everything else, like the showing of a plastic fetus in a talk about abortion, to questioning the theory of evolution, to telling them to pray for leaders and the president is fine, but should be much more toned down and generalized.
We never get into that kind of stuff with our kids, aged 1st grade through 6th.
(mostly I do puppet skits and make a fool of myself in a large dog costume.) 😛
The hard-hitting kind of lessons that are going on here would be better suited to young Christian teens, at ages 14 or 15, about to enter public high schools.
A few side notes:
We have one boy who speaks in tounges, his parents are elders in our church, and I know that his home is very God-focused. If a child recieves this gift, its a great and beautiful thing that shouldn't scare any of you just because it's super-natural, but it shouldn't be exploited, nor should it be paraded around in front of other kids. By definition, it's prayer in a heavenly language, and is between the praying person and God.
Second, I've heard a bunch of hulla-baloo about the scene of the Bush card-board cut-out that the kids "worship."
😐
They're praying for him. This last sunday, when a couple dedicated their newborn, and I and everybody else stretched our hands out toward them and prayed, we weren't "worshipping" them, but asking God to bless them as parents, give them strength, and to bless the child.
Christians should always pray for their appointed leaders, as the Bible says.
Even democrats, since no leader "sneaks in" but is allowed by God for a purpose. I know many Christians who had to release their personal pride to pray for President Clinton, and were right to do so. 😛
Lastly, parents have a right to teach their children however they want to.
Some (Christian or not) teach that dating at 16 is o.k, some don't.
Some teach that getting good grades is the most important thing, some teach that doing your best is.
Some teach that drugs and alcohol are bad and won't talk about it, some share their past uses and talk about the effects of them.
Parents who are Christians and have experienced Jesus to be real and powerful in their lives have every right to teach their children that.
Just as any other parents, they will be held accountable for how that affects them.
I would love to see this film, so that it can be used to caution other Christians about the right and wrong ways to teach/lead/love children.
As for the "culture war" of secularists v.s. the "Christian army"....
These liberal reviewers are right. It's indeed coming. No need to involve the kids. When you see the ten million man march of Christians on Washington, and see the peacefull demonstrations and raw power of that many men worshipping almighty God at once, and demanding a return to decency, morals, and TRUTH, then you'll see who you are really up against.
Not us, but God himself.
God Bless.
-Bryan.
Originally posted by PVS
suddenly i find myself supportive of the microwave emitting mass torture device....
I keep having visions of the kid in the movie with the mullet who said he got saved when he was 5 because he was looking for meaning in his life. The kid is five. And any support for these people, be they line item or total agreement, should be condenmed.
Look at this crap. Guilting and scaring kids to the point that they start crying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKqMCSoBWzQ
Excuse me, but WE have the truth!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JECP9qzjmF0
"Some extreme liberals have to be looking at this and start shaking in their boots: They are becky, they are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51lKQE2nZRw
Children don't get a choice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_TzXliYDvk
"when I run into a non-christian, there's something that makes my spirit feel all yucky"
I like how "The Water of God" comes from a Nestle waterbottle. Corporate Sponsors?
"Army of God" Piss Off.
I agree with Becky though, I think it'd be great if all the fundamentalist laied down their lives for Jesus.
"every other religion does it" Shakya? Where is your buddhist army?
"Good Job Rachel, way to be obedient."
Honestly, the rise of the Third Reich was more justified than this crap.