Wolverine Vs Hawkeye

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Oh don't try that. Wolverine, whether publicly known or not, has always had the healing factor. So don't make it sound like he was just that durable.

Colossus's strongest hit? I seem to recall him doing everything in his power to pull that punch as much as possible when he realized he was about to hit Wolverine.

Anyway, I digress.

Hawkeye wins the majority.

The first mention of Wolverine having a healing factor was years after he joined the X-Men, he was bit by a rapture, Storm wanted to bind his wound and Wolverine told her that he held fast. It was nothing more then a throw a way one liner but it was latter developed into his power. He didn't always have a healing factor and he was never intended to have one. When he joined the X-Men he was a guy with low level superhuman strength/speed/agility, insane durability and he had gloves with claws on them. He was only later fleashed out into his current self.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The first mention of Wolverine having a healing factor was years after he joined the X-Men, he was bit by a rapture, Storm wanted to bind his wound and Wolverine told her that he held fast. It was nothing more then a throw a way one liner but it was latter developed into his power. He didn't always have a healing factor and he was never intended to have one. When he joined the X-Men he was a guy with low level superhuman strength/speed/agility, insane durability and he had gloves with claws on them. He was only later fleashed out into his current self.

No. srank, he's always had the healing factor.

If he didn't have the HF, he wouldn't have been alive to join the X-Men at the time that he enrolled.

Even if he wasn't intended to have one, based on his past, he's always had it.

Now, if the comics hadn't portrayed his past the way they did, well, he still would've always had it. Otherwise, he wouldn't have survived the things that he did early in his career.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
No. srank, he's always had the healing factor.

If he didn't have the HF, he wouldn't have been alive to join the X-Men at the time that he enrolled.

Even if he wasn't intended to have one, based on his past, he's always had it.

Now, if the comics hadn't portrayed his past the way they did, well, he still would've always had it. Otherwise, he wouldn't have survived the things that he did early in his career.

He didn't have an earlier career when he joined the X-Men. What did we know about Wolverine when he first joined the All New X-Men? He was Canadian, he was a mutant, he had a temper, he fought the Hulk. Thats it. He wasn't James Howlette yet, he was just Wolverine and up to that point he didn't have a passed. Character wise Wolverine has always had a healing factor, it is part of his character's history now but that doesn't change the fact the did impressive things even before a healing factor was writen into his character.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He didn't have an earlier career when he joined the X-Men. What did we know about Wolverine when he first joined the All New X-Men? He was Canadian, he was a mutant, he had a temper, he fought the Hulk. Thats it. He wasn't James Howlette yet, he was just Wolverine and up to that point he didn't have a passed. Character wise Wolverine has always had a healing factor, it is part of his character's history now but that doesn't change the fact the did impressive things even before a healing factor was writen into his character.

Cyclops and Havok both absorbed energies (solar and cosmic, respectively) as a part of their mutant powers, but was not initially written into their characters. Do you doubt that they always had this ability?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Cyclops and Havok both absorbed energies (solar and cosmic, respectively) as a part of their mutant powers, but was not initially written into their characters. Do you doubt that they always had this ability?

Do you recall when... oh, it must have been when Wolverine joined the All New, All Different X-Men? Oh what a glorious time it was! You remember don't you? When Wolverine first joined the x-men and he had a reasonable healing factor and he never did any of the outrageous things he does now? Wait... whats that you say? You don't remember because such a time never existed! Outrageous! Are you going to trying and tell me that Wolverine when was written onto the X-Men was not only taken shots from Colossus but even the entire X-Men roster at once? Whats that you say? He was! Well... I'm sure he never took a blast from Firelord or anything crazy like that. Oh... he did? Well at least he never showed up and single handedly bead someone who took on the entire team at once like he did in that whole Neo story line. Wait he did that too? Well... fanboys and... and profits.... Marvel sucks

Anyway, we are on separate pages you and I... hell we aren't even reading the same book. I was arguing that people seem to think that "Classic Wolverine" never did any of the things he does now. I was say that yes he did and hell he was doing them before he even had a healing factor written into his character. For some reason you are telling me that the character Wolverine always had a healing factor which, while accurate is totally irrelevant and I'm not sure for the life of me why you brought it up.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Do you recall when... oh, it must have been when Wolverine joined the All New, All Different X-Men? Oh what a glorious time it was! You remember don't you? When Wolverine first joined the x-men and he had a reasonable healing factor and he never did any of the outrageous things he does now? Wait... whats that you say? You don't remember because such a time never existed! Outrageous! Are you going to trying and tell me that Wolverine when was written onto the X-Men was not only taken shots from Colossus but even the entire X-Men roster at once? Whats that you say? He was! Well... I'm sure he never took a blast from Firelord or anything crazy like that. Oh... he did? Well at least he never showed up and single handedly bead someone who took on the entire team at once like he did in that whole Neo story line. Wait he did that too? Well... fanboys and... and profits.... Marvel sucks

Anyway, we are on separate pages you and I... hell we aren't even reading the same book. I was arguing that people seem to think that "Classic Wolverine" never did any of the things he does now. I was say that yes he did and hell he was doing them before he even had a healing factor written into his character. For some reason you are telling me that the character Wolverine always had a healing factor which, while accurate is totally irrelevant and I'm not sure for the life of me why you brought it up.

Now see, that's where you lost me.

How can you not realize why I brought it up? I'm defending the fact that he's always had a healing factor, while you say he didn't always have it.

Why is it so weird that I brought it up? 😕

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Now see, that's where you lost me.

How can you not realize why I brought it up? I'm defending the fact that he's always had a healing factor, while you say he didn't always have it.

Why is it so weird that I brought it up? 😕

Okay... um...

At the time the issues where written Wolverine didn't have a healing factor? Fallowing me so far? The writers didn't say, "Hey lets have Wolverine get blasted by Firelord, cause in a few years they will give him a healing factor to explain it!" No, he just did it... because apparently he was tough and it seemed he had superhuman durability at the time. Did Wolverine always have a healing factor? Yes BUT he wasn't the Wolverine we know know. He was still being fleshed out and developed. We are arguing two different things. It's like this people who say Wolverine didn't cut the Hulk in his first appearance, technically they are right but it was retconned later that he did cut him but Hulk had a healing factor. He didn't have a healing factor when he did those things that was established later. Understand?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Okay... um...

At the time the issues where written Wolverine didn't have a healing factor? Fallowing me so far? The writers didn't say, "Hey lets have Wolverine get blasted by Firelord, cause in a few years they will give him a healing factor to explain it!" No, he just did it... because apparently he was tough and it seemed he had superhuman durability at the time. Did Wolverine always have a healing factor? Yes BUT he wasn't the Wolverine we know know. He was still being fleshed out and developed. We are arguing two different things. It's like this people who say Wolverine didn't cut the Hulk in his first appearance, technically they are right but it was retconned later that he did cut him but Hulk had a healing factor. He didn't have a healing factor when he did those things that was established later. Understand?

Okay. I think what we have here is a failure to communicate, my friend.

I know what you're saying. But I didn't know why you were confused as to why this topic was brought up, since you were the one that initially brought it up anyway.

So. It's not okay that Firelord was defeated by Spider-Man (which I still don't see a problem with, but I digress), but a blast from him gets shrugged off by a non-healing-factor Wolverine? 🤨

Do you see the problem I'm having with this, bro-ham?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Okay. I think what we have here is a failure to communicate, my friend.

I know what you're saying. But I didn't know why you were confused as to why this topic was brought up, since you were the one that initially brought it up anyway.

So. It's not okay that Firelord was defeated by Spider-Man (which I still don't see a problem with, but I digress), but a blast from him gets shrugged off by a non-healing-factor Wolverine? 🤨

Do you see the problem I'm having with this, bro-ham?

Which was my point to begin with lol. That people think that "Classic Wolverine" wasn't doing the stuff Wolverine does now... but he was.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Which was my point to begin with lol. That people think that "Classic Wolverine" wasn't doing the stuff Wolverine does now... but he was.

Now I'm curious as to how you feel about the question I just previously posed to you.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Now I'm curious as to how you feel about the question I just previously posed to you.

Cyclops and Havok both absorbed energies (solar and cosmic, respectively) as a part of their mutant powers, but was not initially written into their characters. Do you doubt that they always had this ability?

This one?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Cyclops and Havok both absorbed energies (solar and cosmic, respectively) as a part of their mutant powers, but was not initially written into their characters. Do you doubt that they always had this ability?

This one?

That one, and also (now that I think about it), the one involving Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Firelord as well.

Wait now, they're in an abandoned city. What's to keep Hawkeye from waiting on top of a building untill Wolverine catches his scent, and then shooting the sh*t out of him before he can come up to get him?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait now, they're in an abandoned city. What's to keep Hawkeye from waiting on top of a building untill Wolverine catches his scent, and then shooting the sh*t out of him before he can come up to get him?

Wolverine comes up through the floor to get him like he did to Pro. X in his Danger Room season? Or he just scales the building all stealth like and attacks him from behind. There are a number of solutions.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine comes up through the floor to get him like he did to Pro. X in his Danger Room season? Or he just scales the building all stealth like and attacks him from behind. There are a number of solutions.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
That one, and also (now that I think about it), the one involving Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Firelord as well.

I think that Cyclops and Havok story wise have always had their powers story wise lol

I think that Spider-man vs Firelords is a SMvFL feat and that it was worse then the Wolverine feat since... I think Wolverine may have gone down because of it. He may not have though I recall that he wasn't seen for awhile after wards but he didn't have much panel time back then so who knows. Also Wolverine appears to have and a resistance to hot and cold... + 45 to fire and frost resistance? 😱 Any way I was trying to justify Wolverine doing any of the things a mentioned only point out that he was doing since he first joined the X-Men. And that people who say "Wolverine only does that because is Marvels cash cow" or "Wolverine gets written up because he is popular," have no idea what they are talking about as he a was doing similar feats back when he was a new character and no who was in jeopardy of being removed from the x-men because he wasn't very popular and didn't mesh will with the team.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait now, they're in an abandoned city. What's to keep Hawkeye from waiting on top of a building untill Wolverine catches his scent, and then shooting the sh*t out of him before he can come up to get him?

Because they don't know who they're fighting and Clint won't wait out in the open so easily. Besides Wolverine won't approach him directly anyway.

I digress. Wolverine wins. The kind of prep that Clint has is basically the same kind of prep he gets when there is an Avenger's mission. "Big emergency, we don't know what it is, lets go". I don't see him carrying too many special arrows to deal with a threat he doesn't even know about. He'll make sure he's packing but it won't be anything to keep Logan down

If I were Clint and I had explosive arrows I would prefer to sit out in the open, that way Wolveirne couldn't really sneak up on me if he kept himself awy from any cover.

Anyway Wolverine is going to terrorize Hawkeye unless Wolverine gets knocked out by an explosion Hawkeye isn't keeping Wolverine down though.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Needs to have a target first.

Well the bright yellow suit isn't exactly standard issue military camouflage

logan wins.