Jin Kazama vs Ryu

Started by Darkstorm Zero4 pages

He's not... Akuma as of SF3 is considerably stronger than he was in alpha, Perhaps a few TIMES stronger, but Akuma made the reference that Ryu is as strong NOW as he was THEN.

Nayways, I'll grant you, Ryu doesn't do mountain killers with every single strike, but the very fact that he CAN do it, should tell you more than what your giving Ryu credit for.

Ryu's punches are far more powerful than any version of Jin's are on any level you can name.. The very fact that he can send guys like Zangief and Hugo up to 40 feet into the air (And where talking like bitween 3 and 5 hundred pound guys) tells me quite a bit of force go into his regular day to day fights. but when the chips are down, Ryu's been known to tear flesh with his fists, ala Sagat and SFA3 Bison.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
He's not... Akuma as of SF3 is considerably stronger than he was in alpha, Perhaps a few TIMES stronger, but Akuma made the reference that Ryu is as strong NOW as he was THEN.

Nayways, I'll grant you, Ryu doesn't do mountain killers with every single strike, but the very fact that he CAN do it, should tell you more than what your giving Ryu credit for.

Ryu's punches are far more powerful than any version of Jin's are on any level you can name.. The very fact that he can send guys like Zangief and Hugo up to 40 feet into the air (And where talking like bitween 3 and 5 hundred pound guys) tells me quite a bit of force go into his regular day to day fights. but when the chips are down, Ryu's been known to tear flesh with his fists, ala Sagat and SFA3 Bison.

Um... characters like Xciao Yu can do things like sending opponents fly many feet straight in the air and tearing flash is not something outstanding for someone who can break a wall or rock or something. Still my scenario of the fight makes sense, don't you think?

Breaking rock isn't anything special either, but consider this, tearing the flesh and outright killing opponents stronger than yourself is indeed something to boast about.

Ling Xiaoyu doesn't send 3 to 5 hundred pound dudes of solid muscle up 40 feet into the air, she sends one normal sized dude about 15 feet.

Akuma can control his strenght like many other street fighters

Destroying that island was not his strongest attack. that was just a regular punch with more strenght added. Akuma holds always back.
everybody knows that.

Ryu can destroy islands and buildings. but he is not doing that. he controls his strenght and uses it only the right time and against the right person,

Hey I like both but I gotta say Ryu wins.

Besides those dudes Xiaoyu owned were random thugs and we all know just tough them random thugs are nowadays.

And Xciao Yu is one of the most not impressive tekken fighters, it doesn't matter if those guys were ordinary or not, it all about weight and that guy had weight of an average grown up man and she sent him flying through the air, or how about Asuka ending (yes, i DO know it is not canon but it doesn't matter since I'm talking about her strength and not storyline) she punched Jin 20 meters straight through a rock, and that is 18 years old girl. Anyway, the whole point is that punching guys like Zangief in the air is not a big deal for one of the strongest SF fighters, neither it proves that he has island-sinking punches.

Anyway i don't feel like going going through this again, especially since this thread've been done twice or even three times and soon will be closed. Sorry, i can't believe in something if there is nothing that backs it up except Akuma's words. You saw my scenario, and i still say Ryu vs Jin - Ryu wins, Ryu vs Devil Jin - Devil Jin wins. Don't try convincing me otherwise.

nah really....ryu owns jin...i have nothing against tekken... but street fighter set the standards for all other fighting games...in the tekken 6 trailer hwoorang was kicking devil jin in the face and knocked him in the sky....now if a human with no dark hado, shinku hadouken, metsu shoryuken, hurricane kick and all these power moves can do it....what do u think ryu would do to devil jin....and if ryu turns to evil ryu and unleash the dark hadou on devil jin...devil jin would b gone....and also no one really understands the true power of the dark hado.....when akuma was fighting his master at the beggining of street fighter alpha generations....he was charging his hadouken and while chargin the plants around the him was dying....so in other words the dark hado destroys all life around it and on contact .....u should figure out the rest

That video of Hwoarang kicking Jin isn't canon. Also Hwoarang is anything but notmal human, anyone who can match Jin is beyond ordinary human. All things concidered Ryu and Jin are evenly matched in h2h. But outside of h2h Ryu has got distance attacks, but Jin has the devil gene, and dark hadou should be nothing to it. He just puts up a force field around himself and tk blasts Ruy for the win. Or punches him for the win.

The only canon anime in the SF universe is The Ties That Bind. The Dark Hadou itself also doesn't cause instant death to anyone who comes in contact with it, it just fuels the desire to win so much, they have no hesitation to kill.

-Faster than bullets

-Tougher than Teflon

-Lifts boulder on top of boulders (not sure but I also believe he walks around wit the boulders on his back. gonna have to check my sources for this.)

-And can casually fire destructive chi blasts.

Ryu skoolz Jin

E.Ryu decimates D.Jin.

Ryu/E.Ryu is too fast and too strong and can fire far more than Jin can handle with just too much ease. There is not an attack in Jin or D. Jin's arsenal that Ryu can't EASILY dodge or shrug off. And this comes form a dude who plays both games from both series, constantly. Got SFIV and T6 in my collection.

E.Ryu is just Ryu wit the intent to muuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrdeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrr...

Does Jin get Devil form? If not, Ryu stomps.

Jin wins. More durable and more powerful.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Jin wins. More durable and more powerful.

Thats either a lie, or poorly executed attempt at humor.

Jin wins.
stronger, faster, cooler and has something that can actually be called a moveset. also has forcefeilds that could stop beams from a giant demon (the t6 dude, whatshisface), punched strong enough to blast right through his armor and kill him (pretty much one-shotted the dude. nuff said), defeated a bear without effort, and has mishima bloodline which pretty much means he can whoop all sorts of ass and has insane endurance which i can't be bother listed. the simple evidence of mishima bloodline endurance is obvious to anyone who knows anything about tekken.

ryu has no feats. lifted a boulder after an unknown length of period where he probaly could do after learning some of oro's senjitsu techniques? can dodge bullets but never actually did it? what else? his jobber aura/hogan routine wins over Seth? please.

oh and to those people who were talking about tekken characters not having outlandish feats, raven blocked a punch from Nancy......and even arm tossed her. that thing clearly weighs several tons but was tossed with ease. Xiao also was able to toss a Jack-5 in the opening of tekken5DR. asuka was able to jump off a building without effort.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
Jin wins.

Because you say so? 🙄

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
stronger, faster, cooler and has something that can actually be called a moveset. also has forcefeilds that could stop beams from a giant demon (the t6 dude, whatshisface), punched strong enough to blast right through his armor and kill him (pretty much one-shotted the dude. nuff said), defeated a bear without effort, and has mishima bloodline which pretty much means he can whoop all sorts of ass and has insane endurance which i can't be bother listed. the simple evidence of mishima bloodline endurance is obvious to anyone who knows anything about tekken.

Stronger requires proof. Faster definitely requires proof. More moves? Err, No dude, Almost all of Jin's 56 or so moves are merely individual chains in combos, If I where to list every single button press in every one of Ryu's individual combos, plus every normal or unique move he has in his arsenal, he could outshine Jin by 3 times what is shown, so don't give me that bull.

The Forcefield thing was as much a hogan routine as anything you clain Ryu has done, No setting double standards. And that "thing" is called Azazel.

Jin Never fought Kuma, or any other bear.

And your going to use other people's feats because they share the same heritage? Thats unquantifiable ABC Logic.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
ryu has no feats. lifted a boulder after an unknown length of period where he probaly could do after learning some of oro's senjitsu techniques? can dodge bullets but never actually did it? what else? his jobber aura/hogan routine wins over Seth? please.

At that point, Ryu doesn't even know about Oro, Ryu didn't recognize oro's Voice, and Oro was lamenting about wether or not to do it, so that was completely wrong on your part. And Yes, fast enough to dodge bullets. I beleive your going to use (once again) the excuse that "we can't see it?" despite Capcom's claims to the contrary.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
oh and to those people who were talking about tekken characters not having outlandish feats, raven blocked a punch from Nancy......and even arm tossed her. that thing clearly weighs several tons but was tossed with ease. Xiao also was able to toss a Jack-5 in the opening of tekken5DR. asuka was able to jump off a building without effort.

Geeze mate, have a look at the date that this thread was started, Those things didn't even exist back then, and even then most of them don't matter. Oh and Xiao never tossed a Jack, I've never seen that.

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Seems like your Tekken knowlege is lacking....

Because you say so?

😂
i know this might sound strange to you, but it's called "opinion" 😉

Stronger requires proof.

good point. kazuya was tossing around 1/4 ton jacks like there was nothing to them...with such power that not only were they shattering but were also destroying the gold statue they were striking. Jin--as per canon--is as strong, if not stronger. canonwise, and according to heihachi in tekken6 prologue, jin's stronger than kazuya. go figure.
then there's the glass-shattering feat and the fact that he beat a grizzly bear with ease (canon). then there's punching Lili atleast 30 feet away with a punch (which other tekken characters have done as well).

Faster definitely requires proof.

Jin parrying Lee's fist at the last milisecond...with his eyes closed.

More moves? Err, No dude, Almost all of Jin's 56 or so moves are merely individual chains in combos, If I where to list every single button press in every one of Ryu's individual combos, plus every normal or unique move he has in his arsenal, he could outshine Jin by 3 times what is shown, so don't give me that bull.

here's the gist of it: capcom has six buttons, 3 punches, 3 kicks. if you really want to break it down to basic commands, that's sitting and standing and jumping moves. so that's 6 different moves for standing, sitting and jumping. that's 6x3=18. to that, are the four special moves he has, meaning 22. to those are his four ultras, which are also 4. that makes it 26. if you want to add, throws, that's two. that makes it 28. then there's the fact that standing close, yeilds a different move, then standing far, which makes it another 6. that's 34. okay, okay, so jumping forward is a different kick than the straight jumping one. that's one more move. 35. well, lets see, then there's the fact that pressing forward with medium punch and kick is a different move in the alpha series. okay add those two as well. that makes it 37.
so in short, EVERYTHING included, ryu has 37 moves. for the sake of niceness, i'll even round it off to 40 if it makes you feel better.
jin has 54 COMMAND moves. if i begin referring every little detail, it'll be a lot more than 54 and you know it.

in short: no.

The Forcefield thing was as much a hogan routine as anything you clain Ryu has done, No setting double standards. And that "thing" is called Azazel.

the forcefeild was a feat. don't be such a baby just cuz ryu can't do it.

Jin Never fought Kuma, or any other bear.

kuma tekken6 profile. i'll even link it if you want, here:
directly from his prologue:
After the death of his former master, Heihachi Mishima, Kuma believed no one but he could rescue the Mishima Financial Group (MFG) from its captor. Eager to do just that, Kuma confronted the MFG. However, the MFG's new CEO, Jin Kazama, was waiting. Kuma was easily beaten and discarded in the Hokkaido wilderness. Though defeated, his fighting spirit was not lost and he found his former master Heihachi.

here's the vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrzmusBQw7I

And your going to use other people's feats because they share the same heritage? Thats unquantifiable ABC Logic.

how about heihachi's own words then? or how about the fact that Lars flat out says that he should be thanking the mishama bloodline in him to be able to survive kazuya's attacks.

At that point, Ryu doesn't even know about Oro, Ryu didn't recognize oro's Voice, and Oro was lamenting about wether or not to do it, so that was completely wrong on your part.

....what? Oro was sitting on top of that boulder and talking to ryu. so yes, ryu knew him.

And Yes, fast enough to dodge bullets. I beleive your going to use (once again) the excuse that "we can't see it?" despite Capcom's claims to the contrary.

😂 but me saying the mishima bloodline is not proof despite all the characters in the game talking about it? please stop the double standards. also it's not a feat unless and until he does it. i thought that was the reasoning....and that was reasoning behind saying Jinpachi isn't strong because he never actually destroyed the world?

Geeze mate, have a look at the date that this thread was started

i know. but they are now. so whats the point?

Oh and Xiao never tossed a Jack, I've never seen that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYBhmBgH0YU&feature=related
😂

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
😂
i know this might sound strange to you, but it's called "opinion" 😉

You didn't word that as an oppinion bud...

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
good point. kazuya was tossing around 1/4 ton jacks like there was nothing to them...with such power that not only were they shattering but were also destroying the gold statue they were striking. Jin--as per canon--is as strong, if not stronger. canonwise, and according to heihachi in tekken6 prologue, jin's stronger than kazuya. go figure.
then there's the glass-shattering feat and the fact that he beat a grizzly bear with ease (canon). then there's punching Lili atleast 30 feet away with a punch (which other tekken characters have done as well).

ABC Logic does not equate this.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
Jin parrying Lee's fist at the last milisecond...with his eyes closed.

You measured that to the millisecond? Right... My butt... And Ryu's bullet dodging still outshines it

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
here's the gist of it: capcom has six buttons, 3 punches, 3 kicks. if you really want to break it down to basic commands, that's sitting and standing and jumping moves. so that's 6 different moves for standing, sitting and jumping. that's 6x3=18. to that, are the four special moves he has, meaning 22. to those are his four ultras, which are also 4. that makes it 26. if you want to add, throws, that's two. that makes it 28. then there's the fact that standing close, yeilds a different move, then standing far, which makes it another 6. that's 34. okay, okay, so jumping forward is a different kick than the straight jumping one. that's one more move. 35. well, lets see, then there's the fact that pressing forward with medium punch and kick is a different move in the alpha series. okay add those two as well. that makes it 37.
so in short, EVERYTHING included, ryu has 37 moves. for the sake of niceness, i'll even round it off to 40 if it makes you feel better.
jin has 54 COMMAND moves. if i begin referring every little detail, it'll be a lot more than 54 and you know it.

My point remains, still not a moves list? Then grow up and stop acting like a troll.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
in short: no.

In short: I just blew your claim right out of the water by your own admission.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
the forcefeild was a feat. don't be such a baby just cuz ryu can't do it.

Then why isn't ryu's awsome powerups a feat? Oh, because it's Ryu, and you don't like him... And you've been saying as such since the day you arrived when your former username was banned. And even then you still niggled and nitpicked at him for some very strange reason...

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
kuma tekken6 profile. i'll even link it if you want, here:
directly from his prologue:
here's the vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrzmusBQw7I

Ok, Now show me this fight actually happening.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
how about heihachi's own words then? or how about the fact that Lars flat out says that he should be thanking the mishama bloodline in him to be able to survive kazuya's attacks.

So, Paul, being non Mishima, and actually BEATING Kazuya tells you nothing?

Stop picking and choosing your material and hoping that people are so blind that they can't tell the shit from the chocolate from the smell alone, it's embarrassing.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
....what? Oro was sitting on top of that boulder and talking to ryu. so yes, ryu knew him.

YouTube video

Lies.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
😂 but me saying the mishima bloodline is not proof despite all the characters in the game talking about it? please stop the double standards. also it's not a feat unless and until he does it. i thought that was the reasoning....and that was reasoning behind saying Jinpachi isn't strong because he never actually destroyed the world?

I never said he wasn't strong, But your overhype is flamboyant enough to make even Dan shake his head in shame at your poorly thought out crap. and again, show me Jinpachi canonically destroying the world. The Speculation abouds, but even in that non-canon ending of his, it says "The World will never be the same" It says NOTHING about ending it.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
i know. but they are now. so whats the point?

My point is, you made a smartassed remark thats in reply to conversations 4 YEARS OUT OF DATE! As though those actual conversations are still valid oppinions today... Dude that very poor, even for you.

Originally posted by Hell Lancer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYBhmBgH0YU&feature=related
😂

You know, thats different from the vid I have at home.... I've never seen this vid before, thats awsome.

However, All she did was a dragon screw leg twist, thats not actually throwing the jack, thats tripping it over.

You didn't word that as an oppinion bud...

do i need a neon sign painted over my comments to show they are an opinion? 😂

ABC Logic does not equate this.

it does by the canonical comments of the characters who prove my comment. don't be silly, darko. Heihachi flat out says jin's stronger than kazuya. where? in tekken6 scenario campain prologue.
"Jin, your power, unrivaled by even kazuya's...will be mine!"

You measured that to the millisecond? Right... My butt... And Ryu's bullet dodging still outshines it

it was shown in bullet time 😉
*that was joke*

My point remains, still not a moves list? Then grow up and stop acting like a troll.

okay, now you're just being weird. you said:
If I where to list every single button press in every one of Ryu's individual combos, plus every normal or unique move he has in his arsenal, he could outshine Jin by 3 times what is shown, s
o don't give me that bull

to which i said:
jin has 54 COMMAND moves. if i begin referring every little detail, it'll be a lot more than 54 and you know it.

now please don't pretend that you don't know the difference between command moves and basic button commands.
admit defeat! 😮‍💨

Then why isn't ryu's awsome powerups a feat? Oh, because it's Ryu, and you don't like him... And you've been saying as such since the day you arrived when your former username was banned. And even then you still niggled and nitpicked at him for some very strange reason.

what powerup? the one he did with seth? i didn't say it was feat. i said it was PIS/hogan routine (because prior to that we didnt know anything about it...also when did PIS become a legitimate feat here?). besides, ryu can't access that power at will so it hardly counts. using that as a win gaurantee is like me betting on terry landing a wild shot at ryu's temple and killing him. at jin deliberately called onto that power and then there's the fact that his transformation in hwoarang's prologue was said to have blown him away. that's just the transformation.
so no.
also, i DO like ryu. he's just over-rated. like wolverine. wolverine's cool...it's his fanboys that need to chill out and stop acting like him fighting thor evently was not PIS. like manny pacquiao. manny's good boxer....his fans over-rate him.
and it was YOU who was trying (and failing) to negate jin's moves. i was calling you out on it.

Ok, Now show me this fight actually happening.

just as soon as you show me ryu fighting and beating akuma in SFA2 😉
the thing says right there that jin beat a grizzly bear easily (a grizzly bear who can break concrete blocks and trees and knows karate mind you). are you rejecitng the feat even though canon confirms it? so let me get this straight: you give me shite for saying ryu's never actually dodged bullets because we've never seen him do it (and even canon says that he COULD do it, not that he has) but you're denying this...........really, darko? really?

So, Paul, being non Mishima, and actually BEATING Kazuya tells you nothing?

paul never beat kazuya. fail.

speaking of lies, what does that oro vid prove exactly? ryu's talking about oro and he says he hears his voice and even recognizes it as oro's. so whats your point exactly?

I never said he wasn't strong, But your overhype is flamboyant enough to make even Dan shake his head in shame at your poorly thought out crap.

Don't flame. not cool 😐

and again, show me Jinpachi canonically destroying the world. The Speculation abouds, but even in that non-canon ending of his, it says "The World will never be the same" It says NOTHING about ending it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-wNF5ewguw
"mankind will be exterminated"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIXKEw9H8tU
"the thing tells me to destroy the world, and kill anyone who gets in the way"
and then there's his own words: my name is Jinpachi Mishima, my goal is to destroy all/everything.

and it's funny how you keep saying this, despite you being unable to show me ryu dodging bullets or defeating akuma in a canon game. your argument is that it's said in canon but you're rejecting direct quotes and comments and PROLOGUES of a game....and then have the audacity for trolling me for saying ryu's never actually dodged bullets (which is actually a fact).

Dude that very poor, even for you

that very poor indeed 😂
i don't understand why you have to keep sinking down to insults over this, darkman. i've said it before: it's a videogame, you take this way too personally.

You know, thats different from the vid I have at home.... I've never seen this vid before, thats awsome. However, All she did was a dragon screw leg twist, thats not actually throwing the jack, thats tripping it over.

yes, because dragonscrewing a 1/4ton, bulletproof cyborg and making it spin TWICE requires no strength at all. she spun it around twice dude and it ways quarter of a ton. spinning that much weight twice requires a LOT of power, especially given that even pro-wrestlers can't make the guy a decent one turn. she me ken or sakura or karin kanzuki doing anything better.

Originally posted by No End N Site
-Faster than bullets

-Tougher than Teflon

-Lifts boulder on top of boulders (not sure but I also believe he walks around wit the boulders on his back. gonna have to check my sources for this.)

-And can casually fire destructive chi blasts.

Ryu skoolz Jin

E.Ryu decimates D.Jin.

Ryu/E.Ryu is too fast and too strong and can fire far more than Jin can handle with just too much ease. There is not an attack in Jin or D. Jin's arsenal that Ryu can't EASILY dodge or shrug off. And this comes form a dude who plays both games from both series, constantly. Got SFIV and T6 in my collection.

E.Ryu is just Ryu wit the intent to muuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrdeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrr...

Even Tekken's biggest fatass Bob was dodging bullets. You cant seriously think it makes Ryu any faster than Jin. Lifting boulders. Also a stregnth feat even Tekken chicks can perform. Not saying you dont have a point, but your reasons aren't correct.
The only advantage Ryu has over Jin is his chi blasts, h2h they should be evenly matched. And once Jin goes Devil, Ryu's distance attacks would be pretty useless. I see them stalemating each other in h2h, but Devil Jin simply destroys Ryu.