Gates of Heaven

All those NDEs are just your brain freaking out because it doesn't have oxygen. Many people expect to see things, so your brain makes stuff up.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Maybe and maybe not..........Should I retell the story about the NDE of a boy who died and went to what he called animal heaven and had conversations with a bee??

Ironically it wasn't much of a conversation "Work for the queen. Pretty flower pretty flower. Sting. @#$% Now I'm going to die."

You sorgot the orgasmic part about sipping nectar from the ovaries.

Originally posted by Alliance
You sorgot the orgasmic part about sipping nectar from the ovaries.

droolio Mmmm.....nectar.......

droolioMmmmm......OVARIES !

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Revelation 21:21
The twelve gates were twelve pearls: each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass
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Originally posted by JesusisAlive

Revelation 21:21
The twelve gates were twelve pearls: each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass

No Gates huh ? 🙄

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Revelation 21:21
The twelve gates were twelve pearls: each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass
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What I find odd, most descriptions of Heaven speak of human material wealth, i.e. pearls, gold, silver...

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
"...Gates of Heaven? There is no such thing. The gates lead into the Heavenly City, New Jerusalem not into Heaven. Heaven is perhaps like a country and New Jerusalem a city within the country...."

Remember I am a semanticist (hair-splitter). There is a difference between "Heaven" and the city (New Jerusalem) in Heaven. I said all that to reiterate this: there are gates that lead into the city of New Jerusalem but Heaven is like the country and New Jerusalem the city within the Kingdom of Heaven. So I do not believe that there are gates that lead into Heaven, they lead into New Jerusalem (the City of God).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Remember I am a semanticist (hair-splitter). There is a difference between "Heaven" and the city (New Jerusalem) in Heaven. I said all that to reiterate this: there are gates that lead into the city of New Jerusalem but Heaven is like the country and New Jerusalem the city within the Kingdom of Heaven. So I do not believe that there are gates that lead into Heaven, they lead into New Jerusalem (the City of God).

Who are you talking too?

Originally posted by Alliance
To die means you are dead. If he was revived, he wasn't dead...just getting there really fast.

All those NDEs are just your brain freaking out because it doesn't have oxygen. Many people expect to see things, so your brain makes stuff up.

To be dead means to have no pulse no nothing which is what he had so therfore he was... dead. Besides the surgery was a five bypass. He was left open for about an hour.

Originally posted by Zero25
To be dead means to have no pulse no nothing which is what he had so therfore he was... dead. Besides the surgery was a five bypass. He was left open for about an hour.

Sorry, but no. Lack of brain activity is what constitutes death.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Remember I am a semanticist (hair-splitter). There is a difference between "Heaven" and the city (New Jerusalem) in Heaven. I said all that to reiterate this: there are gates that lead into the city of New Jerusalem but Heaven is like the country and New Jerusalem the city within the Kingdom of Heaven. So I do not believe that there are gates that lead into Heaven, they lead into New Jerusalem (the City of God).

What is a gate though? A boundary, much like countries and counties and states have boundaries.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Sorry, but no. Lack of brain activity is what constitutes death.

Point taken. So in his NDE he still saw no gates to heaven.

Originally posted by Zero25
Point taken. So in his NDE he still saw no gates to heaven.

However, he wasn't dead. I'm not saying that there are gates to heaven, I don't believe in a heaven after death, But NDE are not credible evidence of a after life, because they didn't die.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, he wasn't dead. I'm not saying that there are gates to heaven, I don't believe in a heaven after death, But NDE are not credible evidence of a after life, because they didn't die.

Originally posted by FeceMan
It wouldn't be credible even if he died.

True because you can't hear stories from a dead man.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Sorry, but no. Lack of brain activity is what constitutes death.

Not correct. The current medical definition is heart failure.

The brain death is the commonly accepted societal definition of death.

There is a serious movement to revise the medical definition though. The Schiavo case shed a lot of light on that debate.

Originally posted by Alliance
Not correct. The current medical definition is heart failure.

The brain death is the commonly accepted societal definition of death.

There is a serious movement to revise the medical definition though. The Schiavo case shed a lot of light on that debate.

Show proof please.

Ok, i was partially wrong (so were you). UDDA says that wich ever comes first works as the legal defenition.

wait brain dead...

doesn't that mean that people in a coma are technically dead...