Originally posted by galan7777777
im basing my oppinion on the fact that wanda has to consiously think/say "no more mutants" before anything happened, so her powers must be based on thought in some way
Originally posted by galan7777777
id say flash, he simply has more experience with speed, and though Amazo has his abilities, he isnt directly hardwired to the speed force
But Amazo has shown the ability to duplicate Flashs powers and has used Flashs powers on more then one occasion...
Meaning if Person A and B were identical...in thought processing...
Person A Uses telepathy which works at the speed of thought
Person B Is told to recite a formula
Which logically should take longer?
Originally posted by ExodusCloakbut can falsh recite the formula before amazo had to consiously think about making flash a vegtable? thats debatable, but remember orion has the mother box which would be more then enough to sway amazo's attention from flash
But Amazo has shown the ability to duplicate Flashs powers and has used Flashs powers on more then one occasion...Meaning if Person A and B were identical...in thought processing...
Person A Uses telepathy which works at the speed of thought
Person B Is told to recite a formulaWhich logically should take longer?
Originally posted by darthgooberok i see what your saying, but does she have any showings that her abilities dont work at the speed of thought, and they just happen?
I think that was just for dramatic effect for the readers. If it relied on conscious thought, she wouldn't have been unaware of her involvement in Disassembled, and she wouldn't have been able to come back from the dead after the first arrow.
Originally posted by galan7777777
but can falsh recite the formula before amazo had to consiously think about making flash a vegtable? thats debatable, but remember orion has the mother box which would be more then enough to sway amazo's attention from flash
Not really, Flash has to also conciously think to recite the formula...and their thought processing is the same...since Amazo has Flashes powers...
Do you consider Orions reflexes on par with the Flash?
Originally posted by ExodusCloakthis is what im saying, if amazo had to think about avoiding orion, or hal's attacks, then he wouldnt be able to take control of flash before he recited the formula
Not really, Flash has to also conciously think to recite the formula...and their thought processing is the same...since Amazo has Flashes powers...Do you consider Orions reflexes on par with the Flash?
Originally posted by galan7777777
this is what im saying, if amazo had to think about avoiding orion, or hal's attacks, then he wouldnt be able to take control of flash before he recited the formula
But why would the rest of the leaguers even be a factor at that moment in time?
At that moment in time...the rest of the leaguers wouldn't even have reacted...
It'd be Amazo with TP and Flash's Speed and reflexes vs Flash...
Originally posted by ExodusCloakthe leaguers wouldnt be a factor, but motherbox would.... and i dont see amazo being able to beat flash to the punch where thought is concerned especially when motherbox is a factor
But why would the rest of the leaguers even be a factor at that moment in time?
At that moment in time...the rest of the leaguers wouldn't even have reacted...It'd be Amazo with TP and Flash's Speed and reflexes vs Flash...
Originally posted by galan7777777
the leaguers wouldnt be a factor, but motherbox would.... and i dont see amazo being able to beat flash to the punch where thought is concerned especially when motherbox is a factor
The motherbox has to be activated and it's activated by a person who's reflexes are slower then the Flashes...
Who wins?
A Flash with telepathy vs A Flash
The way I see it going is....
Bell rings
Amazo takes out Flash immediately....and duplicates Wandas powers...then with another thought...the JLA are eliminated...
Originally posted by ExodusCloakagain amazo only has the base of wally's powers, wally is directly hard-wired to the speed force (amazo is not), hence he is capable of nearly instantaneous speeds and thought
The motherbox has to be activated and it's activated by a person who's reflexes are slower then the Flashes...Who wins?
A Flash with telepathy vs A Flash
The way I see it going is....
Bell rings
Amazo takes out Flash immediately....and duplicates Wandas powers...then with another thought...the JLA are eliminated...
Originally posted by galan7777777
again amazo only has the base of wally's powers, wally is directly hard-wired to the speed force (amazo is not), hence he is capable of nearly instantaneous speeds and thought
Didn't Amazo duplicate the Flashes speed so their powers are identical? If he can use the Flashes powers then he has duplicated his own kind of Speed Force as well..
I don't recall a moment but has it been stated that Amazo's duplicate powers are weaker then the original?
Originally posted by ExodusCloakim not saying that amazo wouldnt have a link to the speed force, but wally is hard wired to it, and can manipulate it in almost any way he wants..... amazo has never demonstarted speed anywhere close to what flash is capable of
Didn't Amazo duplicate the Flashes speed so their powers are identical? If he can use the Flashes powers then he has duplicated his own kind of speed force as well..
Originally posted by galan7777777
im not saying that amazo wouldnt have a link to the speed force, but wally is hard wired to it, and can manipulate it in almost any way he wants..... amazo has never demonstarted speed anywhere close to what flash is capable of
But for all purposes of this thread you said Amazo has all his absorption abilties which I'm assuming meant he has all the powers he has ever absorbed...which means he has Flashes abilities...and since he is able to duplicate powers so that they are identical...his reflexes are identical to the Flashes...manipulating the speed force has nothing to do with it...because Flash has to think to do that...niether does experience because again the flash has to think to do anything...their thought processing is identical...
What happens is they both think...and telepathy happens...before Flash can finish reciting the Speed Formula..
Amazo should be able to take out the Flash via telepathy...considering that their thought processing is the same...
Originally posted by ExodusCloakyes but as i said can amazo consiously think about having to take control of flash or wipe his mind before flash finishes the SF? thats debatable
But for all purposes of this thread you said Amazo has all his absorption abilties which I'm assuming meant he has all the powers he has ever absorbed...which means he has Flashes abilities...and since he is able to duplicate powers so that they are identical...his reflexes are identical to the Flashes...manipulating the speed force has nothing to do with it...because Flash has to think to do that...niether does experience because again the flash has to think to do anything...their thought processing is identical...What happens is they both think...and telepathy happens...before Flash can finish reciting the Speed Formula..
Amazo should be able to take out the Flash via telepathy...considering that their thought processing is the same...
Originally posted by galan7777777
yes but as i said can amazo consiously think about having to take control of flash or wip his mind before flash finishes the SF? thats debatable
Flash has to recite the Speed Formula? Am I right? Meaning he has to physically open and close his mouth while projecting his voice + he has to visualise the fourth dimensional construct(Which requires many thoughts and actions)... all TP requires is a thought.
Same thought processing for both of them...less actions for Amazo...
Originally posted by ExodusCloakflash is used to reciting the SF, amazo isnt used to controling telepathy to its fullest....... flash could recite the SF in 0.00000001 of a second if he needed to
Flash has to recite the Speed Formula? Am I right? Meaning he has to physically open and close his mouth while projecting his voice + he has to visualise the fourth dimensional construct(Which requires many thoughts and actions)... all TP requires is a thought.Same thought processing for both of them...less actions for Amazo...
Originally posted by galan7777777
flash is used to reciting the SF, amazo isnt used to controling telepathy to its fullest....... flash could recite the SF in 0.00000001 of a second if he needed to
Again how quick he can recite it doesn't matter...both are fighting to the best of their ability...their thought processing is the same...a basic telepathic feat like a simple mind fry is enough to put Flash down....Amazo doesn't need to do anything complicated...
The point being it takes a little bit longer for the Flash to complete the Speed Ritual because that action requires many thoughts while it takes Amazo one thought to simply mind fry him via telepathy....Flash has to think and speak...Amazo has to think...(And they both have the same reflexes)
Since their reflexes are the same...it's like comparing a Flash with telepathy vs a Flash
Think of it this way....
Which can Flash do quicker..
Think vs Think + Speak
Originally posted by galan7777777
im basing my oppinion on the fact that wanda has to consiously think/say "no more mutants" before anything happened, so her powers must be based on thought in some way
You know I hate when people comment on characters without knowing about them.
Wanda does NOT have to say ANYTHING, in order to change Reality.
And like I said BEFORE.
Why the next time around when Wanda was AWARE, was Hawkeye UNABLE to hit her with another Arrow he shot after the first?
Hawkeye shot another arrow, almost immediately after the first
THIS time...Wanda KNEW it was coming, observe the difference now folks
Wanda breaks Hawkeye up into little blocks.....Arrow? 😆
Wanda is invulnerable is she's coming to fight.
Now if the Thread was,
HOM Wanda UNAWARE till she gets hit by Flash & Amazo vs This JLA
The other team has a chance.
