Thor vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by -Pr-
She has good feats, yes, but Thor and Superman are still generally superior both in feats and in stats.

I love how half the time you'll say Diana has shitty feats, and then as soon as mister "S" is brought up, she's suddenly DC'S Wolverine.

Originally posted by h1a8
Diana has better strength and speed feats than Thor and both of their durability is roughly the same. Thor has better power output (like energy projection feats) and is more versatile but never does he have better physical stats than Diana. Superman does but Thor doesn't.

Which strength feats of Diana eclipse Thor's?

Durability goes in Thor's favor as well.

Diana's faster, more skilled, and potentially, has a auto-win weapon (though it's highly unlikely she'll try to ravage Thor's soul).

Her advantages make Thor work for his victories, but Thor's still going to win the majority.

Originally posted by h1a8
Diana has better strength and speed feats than Thor and both of their durability is roughly the same. Thor has better power output (like energy projection feats) and is more versatile but never does he have better physical stats than Diana. Superman does but Thor doesn't.

I was talking about top-end feats.

Originally posted by h1a8
Diana has better strength and speed feats than Thor and both of their durability is roughly the same. Thor has better power output (like energy projection feats) and is more versatile but never does he have better physical stats than Diana. Superman does but Thor doesn't.

Thor's above her in terms of strength and toughness.

The one thing Diana has going for her is speed and maybe an edge in skill. It's a pretty decent fight but it's Thor's fight to lose. And at the end of the day, Thor can turn it up to a level that Diana simply can't match.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yes, Wonder Woman can be underrated on this forum, and yes she does have exceptional feats. No, she isn't Superman or Thor's equal. Carver's just being Carver and h1's just being h1.

Thor takes it about 7/10 and he'll have to fight for his wins.

Diana has better strength feats and speed feats than Thor. She may not be Thor's equal because of lack of versatility but she has the style and tools to always beat him (just like Surfer has the tools to beat Superman).

The way the fight will go is that Thor would try to melee fight her (at first) because of him trying to be the honorable warrior. Diana will outclass him because of her better skill and speed. If he decides to get serious and bust out his other powers then Diana will get serious and use her braces to deflect anything Thor throws right back at him. And when push comes to shove she will lasso him for the instant win.

Lastly, Diana can always combo to ko Thor whenever she sees fit.

Diana wins 9-10/10

Originally posted by h1a8
Diana has better strength feats and speed feats than Thor. She may not be Thor's equal because of lack of versatility but she has the style and tools to always beat him (just like Surfer has the tools to beat Superman).

The way the fight will go is that Thor would try to melee fight her (at first) because of him trying to be the honorable warrior. Diana will outclass him because of her better skill and speed. If he decides to get serious and bust out his other powers then Diana will get serious and use her braces to deflect anything Thor throws right back at him. And when push comes to shove she will lasso him for the instant win.

Lastly, Diana can always combo to ko Thor whenever she sees fit.

Diana wins 9-10/10

Such as...what? What strength feats are you touting of Diana's that gives her the advantage over Thor? Tugging the planet with help and her enhanced Lasso? Helping to lift up Spectre? Her speed is greater than his, but it's not anymore insurmountable than the speed of beings Thor's already beaten.

So we're going by how you think the fight goes now? Nice.

Diana lassoing Thor for the instant win is as likely as Thor Godblasting Diana when she's unable to defend herself. And yes, Diana can, in theory, defend against most of what Thor can produce, but realistically, she won't. Just like Thor can, in theory, use Mjolnir to block or defend against virtually anything Diana can throw, but it's just not going to happen in a forum or comic setting.

No, she won't and no, she can't.

Thor wins for the reasons already stated. Diana puts up a supreme effort.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Such as...what? What strength feats are you touting of Diana's that gives her the advantage over Thor? Tugging the planet with help and her enhanced Lasso? Helping to lift up Spectre? Her speed is greater than his, but it's not anymore insurmountable than the speed of beings Thor's already beaten.

So we're going by how you think the fight goes now? Nice.

Diana lassoing Thor for the instant win is as likely as Thor Godblasting Diana when she's unable to defend herself. And yes, Diana can, in theory, defend against most of what Thor can produce, but realistically, she won't. Just like Thor can, in theory, use Mjolnir to block or defend against virtually anything Diana can throw, but it's just not going to happen in a forum or comic setting.

No, she won't and no, she can't.

Thor wins for the reasons already stated. Diana puts up a supreme effort.

Her helping to tow the Earth, proves that she at minimum she is capable of lifting one Earth weight of force. This is enough to win the quantifiable strength feat war.

Thor WILL GODBLAST if he sees he has no other choice. Diana will lasso when push comes to shove (again no other choice). So that renders your statement moot. And why won't Diana defend against most of what Thor can produce if she is fighting at her best? This isn't a stupid comic where characters under-perform to allow the plot to survive. Thor can't reasonable defend against most of Diana's attacks because of the speed disadvantage.

Speed, skill, and ability to deflect or block power gives Diana the auto win. Who's stronger or tougher is irrelevant.

Originally posted by h1a8
Her helping to tow the Earth, proves that she at minimum she is capable of lifting one Earth weight of force. This is enough to win the quantifiable strength feat war.

Thor WILL GODBLAST if he sees he has no other choice. Diana will lasso when push comes to shove (again no other choice). So that renders your statement moot. And why won't Diana defend against most of what Thor can produce if she is fighting at her best? This isn't a stupid comic where characters under-perform to allow the plot to survive. Thor can't reasonable defend against most of Diana's attacks because of the speed disadvantage.

Speed, skill, and ability to deflect or block power gives Diana the auto win. Who's stronger or tougher is irrelevant.

How do you even begin to fraction in how much force J'onn or Superman were exerting? Not to mention the fact that her lasso was magically altered to be able to support that weight and grow in length. It's not quantifiable at all.

Only Thor can reasonably defend against most of Diana's attacks. See: Mjolnir.

Diana's speed advantage, assuming she even does the patented "speedblitz/combo-to-ko/use speed in a fashion that the source material hardly ever utilizes" isn't something that Thor simply can't react to. Especially when he has a weapon which can do most of the legwork for him. This love affair with superspeed is, unfortunately, simply not backed up by comics. We could ***** and complain that it should be, but it's not.

You're also kidding yourself if you think Thor's superior strength, durability, power, and versatility don't factor into this battle.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
How do you even begin to fraction in how much force J'onn or Superman were exerting? Not to mention the fact that her lasso was magically altered to be able to support that weight and grow in length. It's not quantifiable at all.

Only Thor can reasonably defend against most of Diana's attacks. See: Mjolnir.

Diana's speed advantage, assuming she even does the patented "speedblitz/combo-to-ko/use speed in a fashion that the source material hardly ever utilizes" isn't something that Thor simply can't react to. Especially when he has a weapon which can do most of the legwork for him. This love affair with superspeed is, unfortunately, simply not backed up by comics. We could ***** and complain that it should be, but it's not.

You're also kidding yourself if you think Thor's superior strength, durability, power, and versatility don't factor into this battle.

I assumed that WW was pulling with less than 1/3 of the force, prehaps even 1/10. There is no way either Superman or Jonn is more than 5 times stronger than Diana. So assuming only 1/10, she was pulling with at least 1 Earth weight of force.

It goes against the writer's intentions that the lasso was doing any of the pulling. That would be called "making stuff up".

Although this is a forum fight, not a comic one, speed and comboing is very much supported in comics. There are plenty of examples of combo to ko in comics. Thanos against Surfer and DD against (several) are just two examples.

Originally posted by h1a8
I assumed that WW was pulling with less than 1/3 of the force, prehaps even 1/10. There is no way either Superman or Jonn is more than 5 times stronger than Diana. So assuming only 1/10, she was pulling with at least 1 Earth weight of force.

It goes against the writer's intentions that the lasso was doing any of the pulling. That would be called "making stuff up".

Although this is a forum fight, not a comic one, speed and comboing is very much supported in comics. There are plenty of examples of combo to ko in comics. Thanos against Surfer and DD against (several) are just two examples.

It was explicitly shown and stated that the lasso was altered to be able to grow to such lengths. And a magical unbreakable lasso which is now holding the Earth together very much factors into said feat. How much? You're guess could be as good as mine. Either way, it's unquantifiable and a shared feat as well. It shows us that Diana is very very strong physically.

Like Thor. Now, if you have any other strength feats of Diana to compare to Thor, by all means, I'm willing to hear them (even though I already know Diana's best feats).

Thor has shown he can throw or spin Mjolnir far faster than the speed of light. That nullifies most of what Diana can do. And in a forum setting, I suppose he could throw it at said speeds, and force Diana to focus on blocking the hammer from multiple directions while he bombards her with storms and planetary force winds while attempting to punch her lights out.

Thor still wins 7-8/10.

Originally posted by h1a8
It goes against the writer's intentions that the lasso was doing any of the pulling. That would be called "making stuff up"..

😂

I'm sorry, but this is rich coming from you.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It was explicitly shown and stated that the lasso was altered to be able to grow to such lengths. And a magical unbreakable lasso which is now holding the Earth together very much factors into said feat. How much? You're guess could be as good as mine. Either way, it's unquantifiable and a shared feat as well. It shows us that Diana is very very strong physically.

Like Thor. Now, if you have any other strength feats of Diana to compare to Thor, by all means, I'm willing to hear them (even though I already know Diana's best feats).

Thor has shown he can throw or spin Mjolnir far faster than the speed of light. That nullifies most of what Diana can do. And in a forum setting, I suppose he could throw it at said speeds, and force Diana to focus on blocking the hammer from multiple directions while he bombards her with storms and planetary force winds while attempting to punch her lights out.

Altered in size and being unbreakable doesn't make the lasso do any of the pulling. Thor can only throw the hammer that fast when he spends enough time to accelerate it to that speed. Thor can't achieve a light speed hammer instantaneously. Also Thor can only do one thing at a time. Diana can perform many actions to Thor's one action.
Thor doesn't have planetary force winds. The winds he can exert wouldn't even budge Diana in the slightest. And Diana dodges and pops Thor everytime.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor can only throw the hammer that fast when he spends enough time to accelerate it to that speed. Thor can't achieve a light speed hammer instantaneously.

Untrue.

Originally posted by h1a8
Also Thor can only do one thing at a time. Diana can perform many actions to Thor's one action.

You're a f*cking idiot.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor doesn't have planetary force winds. The winds he can exert wouldn't even budge Diana in the slightest. And Diana dodges and pops Thor everytime.

Untrue.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Untrue.

You're a f*cking idiot.

Untrue.

Prove that Thor can make the hammer reach light speed instantantly before any time passes. Then prove he has winds strong enough to accelerate a planet with at least g acceleration. Then prove that Thor can do more than one exotic action at the same time. Then I'll will be an idiot.

Diana isn't as strong as Thor. Or Superman. She'd a good level below them. Comics have been saying that for years.

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that Thor can hammer can reach light speed instantantly before any time passes.

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/FasterThanLight2.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mjolnir6.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mjolnir125.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
Then prove he has winds strong enough to accelerate a planet with at least g acceleration.

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsSurtur3.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsSurtur8.jpg

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorvsGlory5.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
Then prove that Thor can do more than one exotic action at the same time.

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ControlsStellarWinds1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ControlsStellarWinds2.jpg

Thor's weather manipulation alone is powerful enough to beat Diana, not to mention all his other abilities.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/FasterThanLight2.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mjolnir6.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mjolnir125.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsSurtur3.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsSurtur8.jpg

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorvsGlory5.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDestroyer81.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDestroyer82.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDestroyer83.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ControlsStellarWinds1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ControlsStellarWinds2.jpg

Thor's weather manipulation alone is powerful enough to beat Diana, not to mention all his other abilities.

A very small problem here is that you used a lot of classic Thor. It may be canon and legal here, but in reality it shows desperation. Characters aren't written today as they were many years ago. But it's all fair in the game of debate and comics right?

With that said, Diana is fast enough to snuff Thor before he gets to try to do anything. She can just lasso him as fast as she did zoom. Or she can be on him like white on rice the moment the bell rings. So Thor wouldn't beat Diana with weather manipulation because she wouldn't sit there and let him do what he wants.

Mostly likely Thor and WW would start the fight off with pure melee fighting since they are both warriors and have a sort of code. She most likely will combo him to ko then. But if she doesn't and if Thor tries to pull something exotic then Diana uses her braces (including Aegis shield), speed, and skill, and maybe lasso and ends the farce.

If I believe Diana can beat Superman then mostly certainly I believe she can beat Thor. Remember speed and skill trumps anything else. Superman has the speed but she has speed and skill and awesome defenses.

Diana is faster than both. Minus flash, Diana is pretty much one of the fastest Heralds. No one have reflex showings like her. She will still lose a majority against both Supes and Thor but not at the level people are thinking.

Diana faster than Supes?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Diana faster than Supes?

Base off of showings and on panel proof...yes. Her reflexes are better whereas Supes has better raw speed. Why argue against something that was stated on panel?