Pope' s Speech Stirs Muslim Anger

Originally posted by Alliance
The Pope's speech clearly had modern connotations.

Even if what you are saying was true (and I don't think it was meant to attack the Islam) it still is crazy how Islamists reacted on it...their leaders bring anti-semitic statements on a daily basis, but no one is allowed to condemn the violence the Islam brings? That is bullshit. This is wrong in two aspects, for one the pope didn't do what they claim he did and even if they have no right to react to it that way. They want to keep a double standard why should the pope have to submit to that?

😆 I clearly stated that I didn't disagree with you on everything. I never made any comments about the Islamic community's reaction.

I was commenting on why the heck the Pope would/needed to include that quote.

Originally posted by Alliance
😆 I clearly stated that I didn't disagree with you on everything. I never made any comments about the Islamic community's reaction.

I was commenting on why the heck the Pope would/needed to include that quote.

I am saying that it was not wrong to do so.

So why wouldn’t Muslims, instead demanding an apology, simply point out the fact that Christians led a series of violent Crusades in the name of God?

I don’t see why the Pope needs to apologize for what he said; Muslims may have been violent early on, and they may still be violent, but Christians were no better…if not worse. So instead of rioting in the streets, chanting “Death to America” and demanding an apology, why can’t Muslims simply point out that Christians were no better in those days…you know, in a civil manner?

Of course, instead of constructive dialogue, you have this...

The reaction by the Muslim community only seems to reinforce what the Pope is saying.

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
So why wouldn’t Muslims, instead demanding an apology, simply point out the fact that Christians led a series of violent Crusades in the name of God?

Because there is clearly an agenda to isolate the Islamic nations, consolidating government around Islam and removing the (often detramental) influence of "Western" nations.

There is also a great percieved hatred of Islam by Christianity, likely due a lot to the US invasion. This sort os statement just reinforces that, its almost like they expect it.

Originally posted by Alliance
Because there is clearly an agenda to isolate the Islamic nations, consolidating government around Islam and removing the (often detramental) influence of "Western" nations.

There is also a great percieved hatred of Islam by Christianity, likely due a lot to the US invasion. This sort os statement just reinforces that, its almost like they expect it.

Globalization is gonna make it hard for Islamic countries to isolate themselves, and the push for Democracy in the Middle-East (led by the U.S.) is only going to make things worse, if that is Islam’s general goal (to expel Western influence).

But people in the U.S. see Islam in a negative light because of what happened on 9/11. I think there is a great amount of generalization going on on both sides, but still, I see what you're saying.

The Pope's comments do not help the situation.

Well, if someone had said something offensive to you about something you believed in, wouldn't you expect an apology? I know I would.

Originally posted by Zero25
Well, if someone had said something offensive to you about something you believed in, wouldn't you expect an apology? I know I would.

Hey, people always claim that Evolution is bullshit....and I never ever demand an apology....weird?

Maybe the Pope used the quote because it's fairly accurate and still applies today.. need proof check the Islamic reaction to.. well just about anything.

Better to leave those people to destroy themselves........

Originally posted by debbiejo
Better to leave those people to destroy themselves........

Those people, debbie?

Militant angry people.........The Muslims here we have NEVER had a problems with.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Hey, people always claim that Evolution is bullshit....and I never ever demand an apology....weird?

Thats true, but thats not religion thats more scientific people can choose to believe that we were created, but then theres also scientific proof that we evolved. either or whatever floats your boat.

Originally posted by Zero25
Thats true, but thats not religion thats more scientific people can choose to believe that we were created, but then theres also scientific proof that we evolved. either or whatever floats your boat.

But why is the view with less proof protected, while my believe in something really ****ing likely can be ridiculed all it wants? Why do I only get taken seriously if I believe in a ****ing invisible man that tells me what to do?

Blame it on Constantine.........Otherwise you're a heathen!! How can a person, in the eyes of the church, be worthy of anything since you don't care about your eternal soul..........what a laugh!

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
Globalization is gonna make it hard for Islamic countries to isolate themselves, and the push for Democracy in the Middle-East (led by the U.S.) is only going to make things worse, if that is Islam’s general goal (to expel Western influence).

But people in the U.S. see Islam in a negative light because of what happened on 9/11. I think there is a great amount of generalization going on on both sides, but still, I see what you're saying.

The Pope's comments do not help the situation.

Exactly. A 2004 poll showed that "About 27 percent of respondents said that all Muslim Americans should be required to register their location with the federal government, and 26 percent said they think that mosques should be closely monitored by U.S. law enforcement agencies. 29 percent agreed that undercover law enforcement agents should infiltrate Muslim civic and volunteer organizations, in order to keep tabs on their activities and fund raising."

There was a new poll...somethign like one third of AMericans admitted to having racial prejudcies against Arabs and 1 in 4 would not want to live nextdoor to a Muslim.

The Islamic world isn't ignorant to this and the US is arguable the most Christian Western nation (or the only one). Add in a vocally Christian president and broad war in many Arab nations against "ISLAMIC facism" its not hard to see why the Muslim world would be specific.

I guess the bottom line is, Benedict didn't need to quote that passage...he never really spoke out against Christian violence. WHile I think the Muslime communities reaction is unjustified...I think Benedict made a poor choice.

Originally posted by Zero25
Thats true, but thats not religion thats more scientific people can choose to believe that we were created, but then theres also scientific proof that we evolved. either or whatever floats your boat.

So living in ignorance of fact is ok?

If ignorance of law is a way to defend yourself in a court case and you win then yeah i guess that living in ignorance of fact is ok, everyone has a period of time when there ignorant to fact.

Originally posted by Zero25
If ignorance of law is a way to defend yourself in a court case and you win then yeah i guess that living in ignorance of fact is ok, everyone has a period of time when there ignorant to fact.

Ignorance of law is not a way to defend yourself in court though.

Originally posted by Alliance
So living in ignorance of fact is ok?