Spiderman vs The X-men

Spiderman's used some of his tech before and some he hasn't, it's not like he's too stupid to. Again I am not saying some big landslide for him, I'm just saying it's not as hard as people make it out when most "MA" fanboys come from other threads and try to rag on him because he beats their characters. You know who you are. Most of the people on the team can be avoided or taken Care of easily, the main threat is Cyclops.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's interesting that Cyclops won't use an omniblast, when he has shown the propensity to kill when necessary in the past. While Spider-Man who rarely uses his stealth mode is spending all his time running around invisible.

Originally posted by thedude1948
I am pretty sure Cyclops blasts can go through webbing, also Wolverine is more durable than Spider-Man, even if Wolverine and Spider-Man were already fighting Cyclops would still blast them, for a coupla reasons, first he doesnt really like Wolverine and second Wolverine would survive a blast that Spidey wouldnt.

You also assume that Cyclops cares about the mansion more than someone trying to possibly kill him. And there is no way Spider-Man is going to melee the whole team unless there is massive PIS involved.

Anyways, most superheroes are in a life and death situation quite often and they don't resort to killing. Why the hell would Spiderman fight logan on his own terms if he doesn't have to? The point is to let the teammates do the work for him until the big threat is removed, which is mainly Cyclops. Everyone else pretty much agrees that noone else will really be a threat, so basically this is Spiderman vs Cyke, with people going against the rules to make him win. *sigh*.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
All it says is that they fight in the mansion at night, and unless they've regressed to the early 1800s the mansion is illuminated by artificial light if people are awake.

Lights would be off in most rooms... and lamps aren't always that good... lots of shadows

And why wouls he be fighting them in the mansion at night unless he's the one attacking?

Originally posted by Brutacus
Euh he created a earth quake, I guess you didn't look at the comics, those feats put him well in 30 ton range.

Can you show this? or give the issue number so someone else can show it?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Why would he want to do that? He would want to stay visible to lure Cyke into killing his teammates. This is what I don't get, Spiderman's supposed to take advantage of the fact that his teammates are a liability, not make it a disadvantage to him.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Lights would be off in most rooms... and lamps aren't always that good... lots of shadows

And why wouls he be fighting them in the mansion at night unless he's the one attacking?

As far as illumination, it's a mansion in Westchester not a hovel in Rwanda.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Anyways, most superheroes are in a life and death situation quite often and they don't resort to killing. Why the hell would Spiderman fight logan on his own terms if he doesn't have to? The point is to let the teammates do the work for him until the big threat is removed, which is mainly Cyclops. Everyone else pretty much agrees that noone else will really be a threat, so basically this is Spiderman vs Cyke, with people going against the rules to make him win. *sigh*.

Uhh, okay lets say Spider-Man takes out everyone else on the team 1 on 1. How exactly is Spider-Man going to take out cyclops, so he is going to dodge the blasts? how is he going to dodge this? web his face? 😆

Originally posted by Scoobless
Lights would be off in most rooms... and lamps aren't always that good... lots of shadows

And why wouls he be fighting them in the mansion at night unless he's the one attacking?

Can you show this? or give the issue number so someone else can show it?

Sure X-factor 33.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What's Scott going to if his face is webbed up. Blast it off.

Of course he'll blast it, but it'll be a temporary distraction at least. What happens if his webs up Cyke's whole face including the button to the visor so he can't touch it? Or what if he webs Scott's to his sides? Scott is powerful but he's limited by needing his hands free and having to access his visor.

Originally posted by thedude1948
Uhh, okay lets say Spider-Man takes out everyone else on the team 1 on 1. How exactly is Spider-Man going to take out cyclops, so he is going to dodge the blasts? how is he going to dodge this? web his face? 😆

Uhh, and what makes you think Spider-Man is gonna let Scott do this? Why would he take out all the other X-men and leave Cyclops? Please, by the time Scott moves his hands to his visor Spider-Man is already behind him

Originally posted by thedude1948
Uhh, okay lets say Spider-Man takes out everyone else on the team 1 on 1. How exactly is Spider-Man going to take out cyclops, so he is going to dodge the blasts? how is he going to dodge this? web his face? 😆

How will Cyke hit an invisible Spiderman?

Either way, Scott can't do anything if he's fully webbed up though.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's interesting that Cyclops won't use an omniblast, when he has shown the propensity to kill when necessary in the past. While Spider-Man who rarely uses his stealth mode is spending all his time running around invisible.

Say what now? In Sensational Spider-Man has been giving his stealth mode some nice use. Can you give more examples of Cyclops using an omniblast against people (not machines or someone with invunerablity)? Besides the point wasn't that he wouldn't use an omniblast against Spider-Man, the point was that he wouldn't use it in such closed quarters cause he could probably bring the house down on his whole team

Originally posted by Brutacus
Sure X-factor 33.

Btw, wasn't that an enhanced Beast at the time? Moot point anyway as Luke Cage before he got enhanced also created earthquakes when he was only 5 tons. Beast is not 30 tons

Originally posted by marvelprince
Uhh, and what makes you think Spider-Man is gonna let Scott do this? Why would he take out all the other X-men and leave Cyclops? Please, by the time Scott moves his hands to his visor Spider-Man is already behind him

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He can dodge his none CIS blasts just fine. Unfortunately for Cyke and the rest of the Spiderman haters, that is CIS involved.

How will Cyke hit an invisible Spiderman?

Either way, Scott can't do anything if he's fully webbed up though.

how will he hit Spider-Man, unless going invisible means the blasts will go through him (which it wont) he is going to get hit...

Yeah and Cyclops is going to just stand there while Spider-Man is going to web him up. 🙄

I dont hate Spider-Man I just know he has his limits.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Say what now? In Sensational Spider-Man has been giving his stealth mode some nice use. Can you give more examples of Cyclops using an omniblast against people (not machines or someone with invunerablity)? Besides the point wasn't that he wouldn't use an omniblast against Spider-Man, the point was that he wouldn't use it in such closed quarters cause he could probably bring the house down on his whole team

Originally posted by thedude1948
Show me one time where someone at Spider-Mans level is fast enough to do that, the only time I remember this happening is Northstar doing it to him but he was moving at the speed of light. Im pretty sure Spider-Man cant move this fast.

Ask and you shall recieve

http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fnspiderman4009jl7.jpg

Before Tony's hand can even lower Spider-Man was already behind him and sweeping him off of his feet. Oh and did I mention he wasn't even trying in that pic. Thta was just off instinct. Imagine a Spider-Man trying to speed blitz

Originally posted by thedude1948
Yeah lets just ignore it 🙄 , a CIS blast would be all of Cyclops low powered blasts, the fact is Cyclops holds back most of his blasts, and forum rules says that each character will fight to his/her best ability

I get this. I'm saying that even with CIS removed Scott won't go all out. He will not endanger his team.

Originally posted by thedude1948
how will he hit Spider-Man, unless going invisible means the blasts will go through him (which it wont) he is going to get hit...

So now Scott is just gonna lash out not even knowing if he's hitting anything? Yea, cause Scott does that alot

Originally posted by thedude1948
Yeah and Cyclops is going to just stand there while Spider-Man is going to web him up. 🙄

If its too fast for him to react too he won't have much of a choice will he

Originally posted by thedude1948
I dont hate Spider-Man I just know he has his limits

The problem is you presume to know his limits when you don't have much more than an inkling

Originally posted by thedude1948
From the forum rules
"It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability,"

From the forum rules
"Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates."

In this CIS Cyclops going batsh** is not CIS cause there is a legitimate reason for him not to, the fear of hurting his team. I guess you can argue that this would be qualified a desperate time or that Cyclops would think that his team can take care of themselves. But that would require ignoring years of character development and advancement. Whatever works for you I guess

Originally posted by marvelprince
Ask and you shall recieve

http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fnspiderman4009jl7.jpg

Before Tony's hand can even lower Spider-Man was already behind him and sweeping him off of his feet. Oh and did I mention he wasn't even trying in that pic. Thta was just off instinct. Imagine a Spider-Man trying to speed blitz

He knocks down Tony who is just a normal human who wasnt even expecting it, not impressive at all

Originally posted by marvelprince
I get this. I'm saying that even with CIS removed Scott won't go all out. He will not endanger his team.

So now Scott is just gonna lash out not even knowing if he's hitting anything? Yea, cause Scott does that alot

Originally posted by marvelprince
If its too fast for him to react too he won't have much of a choice will he

Originally posted by marvelprince
From the forum rules
"Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates."

In this CIS Cyclops going batsh** is not CIS cause there is a legitimate reason for him not to, the fear of hurting his team. I guess you can argue that this would be qualified a desperate time or that Cyclops would think that his team can take care of themselves. But that would require ignoring years of character development and advancement. Whatever works for you I guess

Same as above the X-Men arent some idiot team that just started working with eachother, they probably have more experience with eachother than any team from danger room training, and missions.

Originally posted by thedude1948
He knocks down Tony who is just a normal human who wasnt even expecting it, not impressive at all

As opposed to Cyclops who has super speed, agilty and reflexes right? And I wasn't aware Spider-Man made his opponents aware that he's gonna sneak up on them. You wanted something to prove his speed. Well that showed it. Before Tony's hand could even come down on his shoulder Tony's legs were thrown from under him and SPider-Man was behind him. This was from a Spider-Man that wasn't even trying. You can argue all you point, point is Spider-Man is fast enough move before Cyclops hits his visor.

Originally posted by thedude1948
You are assuming the X-men are an idiot team who just started working with eachother. Cyclops is the team leader when he says to get outa the way most of the team probably will, maybe not Wolverine, but that wont matter.

Not assuming. If Spider-Man is in the midst of them all moving from one to the next you think that when Cyclops yells move he's gonna stay there while the others move. Even though he moves faster than all of them combined and has an early danger warning system. Look's like your the one assuming Spider-Man is an idiot

Originally posted by thedude1948
Spider-Man isnt a speedster he isnt going to web up Cyclops before he reacts.

So says you. I've shown he's fast enough to react to even the slightest of movements. Your gonna have to do more than say no he can't

Originally posted by thedude1948
Same as above the X-Men arent some idiot team that just started working with eachother, they probably have more experience with eachother than any team from danger room training, and missions.

I agree. I'd say they probably have some the best teamwork in all of comicdom. That's exactly why none of them are gonna go all out in such a closed space. They know better

Originally posted by thedude1948
Show me one time where someone at Spider-Mans level is fast enough to do that, the only time I remember this happening is Northstar doing it to him but he was moving at the speed of light. Im pretty sure Spider-Man cant move this fast.

Yeah lets just ignore it 🙄 , a CIS blast would be all of Cyclops low powered blasts, the fact is Cyclops holds back most of his blasts, and forum rules says that each character will fight to his/her best ability.

how will he hit Spider-Man, unless going invisible means the blasts will go through him (which it wont) he is going to get hit...

Yeah and Cyclops is going to just stand there while Spider-Man is going to web him up. 🙄

I dont hate Spider-Man I just know he has his limits.

From the forum rules
"It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability,"

wolverine takes spider alone. I can understand someone saying spiderman wining agenst any of these guys (including wolverine) one on one but all together, it's just a spite thread. Too bad their is just so much x-men hate on this forum for any of the x-men haters to see clearly. Serously people will give cap. america a better chance agenst spider then an entire team of x-men. Face it people the x-men have been working together for a verly long time, their not just a bunch of punk kids that bring their dog with them to solve mysteries.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Of course he'll blast it, but it'll be a temporary distraction at least. What happens if his webs up Cyke's whole face including the button to the visor so he can't touch it? Or what if he webs Scott's to his sides? Scott is powerful but he's limited by needing his hands free and having to access his visor.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Say what now? In Sensational Spider-Man has been giving his stealth mode some nice use. Can you give more examples of Cyclops using an omniblast against people (not machines or someone with invunerablity)? Besides the point wasn't that he wouldn't use an omniblast against Spider-Man, the point was that he wouldn't use it in such closed quarters cause he could probably bring the house down on his whole team

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You clearly don't know the rules then, and by that case, Spiderman goes invisible or webs at him, he shoots it and gets hit again. Best to abilities right?

Yeah best of their abilities. Cyclops does this

Spider-Man is dead.

Also when Cyclops tells his team to get outa the way they do.

If you want to play scan game, I could show you where Spiderman has punked the xmen as an adult and teen but it isn't necessary.

Spiderman holds back not to kill but he fights to the best of his abilities, which means he can knock out all but Wolverine easily (if he hit them). So no he isn't holding back as normal, but he isn't killing, why can't people understand that?

Originally posted by thedude1948
Yeah best of their abilities. Cyclops does this

Spider-Man is dead.

Also when Cyclops tells his team to get outa the way they do.

Originally posted by jasofisc
wolverine takes spider alone. I can understand someone saying spiderman wining agenst any of these guys (including wolverine) one on one but all together, it's just a spite thread. Too bad their is just so much x-men hate on this forum for any of the x-men haters to see clearly. Serously people will give cap. america a better chance agenst spider then an entire team of x-men. Face it people the x-men have been working together for a verly long time, their not just a bunch of punk kids that bring their dog with them to solve mysteries.

I think Spider-Man vs Logan is a good fight too. Point is I think that certain characters fare better against teams than they do alone. Check out Spider-Man vs Fantastic Four.

BTW, Spider-Man kills Captain America