not easy, but i think Mace would beat him. I dont care what anyone says, MACE BEAT SIDIOUS! You can play that angle that Sidious was playing Anakin, but he was already on his back before Anakin walked in. Maybe once he was in there he was, saying he was too weak and all that, but if Anakin didnt interfere, Sids would have been gone.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
not easy, but i think Mace would beat him. I dont care what anyone says, MACE BEAT SIDIOUS! You can play that angle that Sidious was playing Anakin, but he was already on his back before Anakin walked in. Maybe once he was in there he was, saying he was too weak and all that, but if Anakin didnt interfere, Sids would have been gone.
Voice of reason. 😉
also, i just wanted to add some proof. This is from Sidious' databank profile:
The Jedi eventually discovered Palpatine's Sith leanings and confronted the Chancellor. Sidious lashed out with blinding speed, brandishing a previously hidden lightsaber blade in a sudden strike that killed all of the Jedi Masters Mace Windu had assembled to arrest the Chancellor. With Anakin Skywalker's help, Sidious was able to defeat Mace, though he was severely scarred by the reflected power of his dark side lightning. To conceal his disfigured visage, Sidious returned to his simple Sith robes.
Note it says he needed "anakin's help".
so...mace takes palps, yoda takes dooku, and OB1 takes Maul...again.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
also, i just wanted to add some proof. This is from Sidious' databank profile:The Jedi eventually discovered Palpatine's Sith leanings and confronted the Chancellor. Sidious lashed out with blinding speed, brandishing a previously hidden lightsaber blade in a sudden strike that killed all of the Jedi Masters Mace Windu had assembled to arrest the Chancellor. With Anakin Skywalker's help, Sidious was able to defeat Mace, though he was severely scarred by the reflected power of his dark side lightning. To conceal his disfigured visage, Sidious returned to his simple Sith robes.
Note it says he needed "anakin's help".
so...mace takes palps, yoda takes dooku, and OB1 takes Maul...again.
Too bad it's Sids fighting Yoda, and Mace fighting Dooku, though you must remember, had Yoda not been knocked to the ground, he could have continued fighting, Clones were on their way
The problem lies in Kenobi/Maul. Dooku/Mace and Sidious/Yoda will be by no means over in any short order. Maul is the weak link. He dies and Kenobi adds a little to each fight. Of course, this little may be just enough to off-set the virtual equals that are fighting. Unless Dooku or Sidiousdisposes of him quickly after Maul is toast, he could tip the balance ver so slightly in favor of the Jedi.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
The problem lies in Kenobi/Maul. Dooku/Mace and Sidious/Yoda will be by no means over in any short order. Maul is the weak link. He dies and Kenobi adds a little to each fight. Of course, this little may be just enough to off-set the virtual equals that are fighting. Unless Dooku or Sidiousdisposes of him quickly after Maul is toast, he could tip the balance ver so slightly in favor of the Jedi.
Again, this Maul has 10 Years extra experience, we can easily assume his combat ability will be up with the greatest, and Obi-Wan's Soresu doesn't make for a quick fight, especialy against Juyo
to be honest i dodnt look at the 1st post to see that the three battles were set, I thought it was just group a vs group b. Its hard to say cause Maul doesnt know those things and its not fair to give him those and not bump up OB1. OB1 was better than Maul fair and square. I know thats subject for debate itself, but he killed him out of Maul's arrogance (wow, OB1 sure seems to get LUCKY with those arrogant sith...hmmm) But if thats the case and Maul is equal to the other two, then they take it. No questions asked.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
OB1 was better than Maul fair and square. I know thats subject for debate itself, but he killed him out of Maul's arrogance (wow, OB1 sure seems to get LUCKY with those arrogant sith...hmmm).
Wait, are you saying TPM Kenobi is better than Maul? If so, you couldn't be any more wrong, and it's not up for debate. If you mean AOTC Kenobi (closer, but I wouldn't claim Obi-Wan the better without looking into all the facts), then maybe. If you mean ROTS Kenobi, then definitely he is better than Maul.
Actually Advent, I mixed a few different thought s up here...I was saying that ROTS OB1 is better, but i used TPM version as an example. But really if youthink about it, the only time maul had the uperhand in the one on one portion, was when he pushed OB1 back, other than that, Kenobi was goin to twon. But i know that doesnt mean Kenobi was better, just pointing that out. But yea, i just had a few wires crossed there.
Originally posted by Blax X
Actually, in terms of pure swordsmanship I would say that Obi-Wan (unleashed, that is, using the darkside to help fuel him) has a slight edge over Maul. I seem to rememebr Maul getting dropped flat on his ass by a very pissed off kenobi, and then sliced in half a few minutes later.
I seem to remember Maul being caught off guard by an enraged Obi-Wan, and that's the only reason Kenobi was able to match him temporarily and slice his saber in half. Afterwards, when Maul's frenzy increased - he gained the upper hand, it was only for the moment that Obi-Wan was pissed, he didn't get any better - he just surprised Maul. It doesn't mean he's the better swordsman. Obi-Wan in ROTS kicked Anakin, and tripped him. Is Obi-Wan a better duelist than Anakin?
Short answer: Hell no.
I doubt the Obi-"Jet Lee" Kenobi (unleashed, lol) is a better swordsman than Qui-Gon attacking with a "ferocity not seen before" and a "fresh reserve of strength" or even TPM Mace Windu is absurd. Anyways, as noted by both the novelization and script:
"But Darth Maul was the stronger of the two and was driven by a frenzy that surpassed even the frantic determination that fueled Obi-Wan. Eventually, the Sith Lord began to wear the young Jedi down. Bit by bit, he pressed him back, carrying the attack to him, looking to catch him off guard. Obi-Wan could sense his body weakening, and his fear of what it would mean if he, too, were to fall, began to grow. "
"DARTH MAUL seems to have the upper hand as OBI-WAN grows weary."
I also seem to remember Kenobi getting overpowered in the saberlock, only to get Force pushed into a shaft, and through pure luck alone - not skill - managed to get the jump on Maul because he was acting like an arrogant jackass when he had Kenobi beat, and wasted roughly half a minute doing such.
Maul > Kenobi. This is apparent throughout the entire duel, save for one moment. To assume Obi-Wan, even pissed off, is better than Maul is ridiculous when you consider Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan's "best efforts" weren't enough to stop Maul, and that he was described as "keeping them both at bay, constantly attacking while at the same time effectively blunting their counterattacks". And it's also nice that you say Maul was "sliced in half minutes later", but don't include why Maul was cleaved in two. Thankfully, we have Advent to provide that reason, so people don't misunderstand.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
But really if youthink about it, the only time maul had the uperhand in the one on one portion, was when he pushed OB1 back, other than that, Kenobi was goin to twon.
Kenobi was never going to win. Why, you ask? Because Maul has more determination, and as noted above, got into a frenzy that surpassed Obi-Wan's. Maul would never be beaten by Kenobi in a straight out duel. He was surprised, but once that ended he regained his composure and regained his status as the dominant fighter.
Kenobi was never going to win. [i]Why
, you ask? Because Maul has more determination, and as noted above, got into a frenzy that surpassed Obi-Wan's. Maul would never be beaten by Kenobi in a straight out duel. He was surprised, but once that ended he regained his composure and regained his status as the dominant fighter. [/B]
i know...he;d get owned..
Originally posted by Advent
Wonderful argument, Rampant. I do hope you were joking (though, knowing you and Dooku - that's unlikely).
Why thankyou. Sometimes you are just to kind for little old me to comprehend. 🙄
Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
The real reason Maul died was because Obi-Wan had to live through 3 more movies 😛
Lol, amen. 😆