Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Me saying that they could do anything they put thier minds to is not me saying they could do anything. Try again. That is two totally different statements. Mxy can do anything. Superman is not going to put his mind to changing a bananna into a person. See the difference. Doing anything you put ur mind to would mean knowing what you can do within the scope of ur powers and doing it. Not trying to change a fig tree into a dog.
Originally posted by manjaro
i have a naggin suspicion that you are confusing Crises...any and all charcters and events that appeared or occured b4 COIE in 1986 is considered Pre-crsis...back then charcters had no limit to thier powers and abilites and it was since the Bryne Era that writers made a conscious decision to depower alot of ppl, but it was superman that got the ball rolling. in fact, cap. marvel used to do the same ridicolous shit superman used to do.SBP is PC becuase on the very same night he dicovered his powers he met superman(E-1 superman) and then COIE started right after that..thats why he keeps whining about wanting to see his family and his girlfriend and his earth again bcuz he didnt get to enjoy his childhood..I mean cmon dude if you took the time to qoute his bio from wiki then you should have scrolled all the way down to the bottom of the page where it said....
Superboy-Prime has all the basic Kryptonian powers, including super-strength, the power of flight, super-speed, super-breath, arctic breath, super-hearing, super-vision (including X-ray, heat, microscopic and telescopic visions), and invulnerability to any force other than psionics and non-yellow suns, except his power-levels are at the godlike stature of the Silver Age Superman of Earth-One before he was depowered in John Byrne's reboot. Silver age as in PC superman..accept it sir!!! i command you to!!!
And if you took the time to read what the other person wrote, then you would see why I was arguing.
His reasoning was because he was around at that time, he was a kryptonian, he has beaten characters, and all characters in alternate realities are as strong as there counter parts.
Plus, he didn't exactly do everything that he wanted. Unless you think a PC Kryptonian, is about to be hit around by Conner. Punched into submission, and into the speed force by The Flashes, etc.
Plus I'm pretty sure he was over a PC Superboy, or under him.
Sure he had crazy feats, but all this doesn't exactly mean he could do whatever the hell he wanted to do.
You didn't see him running through different realities. You didn't see him rubbing his hands, and healing a time stream. You didn't see him put a bunch of planets on a stick.
I'm sure that because he was so "Pc" That he could have stopped him, from getting hit around by Conner.
"except his power-levels are at the godlike stature of the Silver Age Superman of Earth-One before he was depowered in John Byrne's reboot. "
Does this make every Superman that is on that level a Pc?
No some are over it, some are under it. Plus, even if he was a PC kryptonian, he sure as hell isn't now. Because that would mean he can't exists right now, because we would be refering to him in the past tense.
And wasn't Superman Prime, from a time earlier than that, does this all of the sudden make him a PC Kryptonian?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait, now isn't Pre Crisis Supes known for pulling whatever power he needs out of his ass at random? So how is it NOT PIS that SBP was beating him when he had back up?
I dont' have many Precrisis Stories at hand at the moment. all locked up in storage. I dont' remember him getting more power, I just rememebr him getting more powerful for what ever situation came up. usually when it came to moving stuff, speed and stuff like that. actually beating people, I don't think so. And SBP was created to be the ultimate precrisis krytonian. It's only now that we see the full exent of his power. He was the only super powered being in his entire universe. It would make sense that he would be so insanely strong and fast.
Originally posted by bigbran
And if you took the time to read what the other person wrote, then you would see why I was arguing.His reasoning was because he was around at that time, he was a kryptonian, he has beaten characters, and all characters in alternate realities are as strong as there counter parts.
Plus, he didn't exactly do everything that he wanted. Unless you think a PC Kryptonian, is about to be hit around by Conner. Punched into submission, and into the speed force by The Flashes, etc.
Plus I'm pretty sure he was over a PC Superboy, or under him.
Sure he had crazy feats, but all this doesn't exactly mean he could do whatever the hell he wanted to do.
You didn't see him running through different realities. You didn't see him rubbing his hands, and healing a time stream. You didn't see him put a bunch of planets on a stick.I'm sure that because he was so "Pc" That he could have stopped him, from getting hit around by Conner.
"except his power-levels are at the godlike stature of the Silver Age Superman of Earth-One before he was depowered in John Byrne's reboot. "
Does this make every Superman that is on that level a Pc?
No some are over it, some are under it. Plus, even if he was a PC kryptonian, he sure as hell isn't now. Because that would mean he can't exists right now, because we would be refering to him in the past tense.And wasn't Superman Prime, from a time earlier than that, does this all of the sudden make him a PC Kryptonian?
Superman prime is Superman of today, he's just been in the sun forever.
And My argument was and still is that Superboy Prime is a precrisis krytonian. And that is why he's so powerful. I don't even see what your arguing against.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlI don't either....
Superman prime is Superman of today, he's just been in the sun forever.And My argument was and still is that Superboy Prime is a precrisis krytonian. And that is why he's so powerful. I don't even see what your arguing against.
It's that you used that to back up that the GL feat wasn't pis.
Even if he is a PC Kryptonian, that still doesn't explain why he was able to freeze them.
Originally posted by bigbran
I don't either....It's that you used that to back up that the GL feat wasn't pis.
Even if he is a PC Kryptonian, that still doesn't explain why he was able to freeze them.
I dont' think it was PIS. If he has the power to move planets Easily and that fast that no one can even tell, then it's with in the wrealm that his ice breath is also on the same lvl as his strength and speed.
Or was it PIS to have him be able to fly so fast? or move planets faster than warp speed? He's an Amped up Superman. Really really amped up. So it makes sense that ALL of his powers are amped up.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlHuh?
I dont' think it was PIS. If he has the power to move planets Easily and that fast that no one can even tell, then it's with in the wrealm that his ice breath is also on the same lvl as his strength and speed.
Originally posted by bigbran
Huh?
So his Ice breath is going to become colder than absolute zero?
It looked to me like his ice breath was more than just cold. it was the Force of Cold. It had a force full impact to it that went right thru the GL shields. The cold of Space does not attack or try and penetrate the Gl shields. it just is. It's like trying to compare Superman bathing in the heat of the sun, but getting burned by a blast from another krytonian. The force of the blast combined with the temp has something to do with it. it's a comic book thing. Characters constantly withstand extreme pressures or temps and then when attacked by someone wielding that same kind of element, all of a sudden are hurt.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ok MOrg and Surfer are bad assed, but when did they get so powerful to take on Sky Father power?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Is there some kind of stipulation, a requirement that one must be able to move planets at FTL to beat SBP? Did I miss the memo?What are some of his greatest feats? Pushing those planets. Punching a plot device wall. And having a large group of GLs job to him.
7 Heralds at the height of their powers vs SBP. People defending SBP against Odin. Ridiculous.
Lets see...that kind of strength is a 1 hit KO for any of the heralds.
He's faster than them, has broken through more than the output they can provide gleefully.
You somehow think you have a counter to this by crying pis.
Ridiculous.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindRiddle me this. Do you really think SuperEmo is a Skyfather level character? Do you really think he can destroy a universe as he boasted by destroying Oa?
Lets see...that kind of strength is a 1 hit KO for any of the heralds.He's faster than them, has broken through more than the output they can provide gleefully.
You somehow think you have a counter to this by crying pis.
Ridiculous.
Where exactly do you derive that he's faster than them anyway? Him "speedblitzing three Flashes"?
Do you really think those GLs didn't job to him?
A well written Kyle or Hal could beat him.
Odin? Imperiex? Galactus? Parallax? Ion? As said in the Surfer vs SBP thread he was and apparently still is the overrated flavour of the month.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Riddle me this. Do you really think SuperEmo is a Skyfather level character? Do you really think he can destroy a universe as he boasted by destroying Oa?Where exactly do you derive that he's faster than them anyway? Him "speedblitzing three Flashes"?
Do you really think those GLs didn't job to him?
A well written Kyle or Hal could beat him.
Odin? Imperiex? Galactus? Parallax? Ion? As said in the Surfer vs SBP thread he was and apparently still is the overrated flavour of the month.
30 GL's wouldn't have lost thier lives if Superboy Prime couldn't make good on his promise to restart the Universe. And he was sure that he would survive the blast. I think he may be the Underrated Character of the year.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
30 GL's wouldn't have lost thier lives if Superboy Prime couldn't make good on his promise to restart the Universe. And he was sure that he would survive the blast. I think he may be the Underrated Character of the year.
He was completely insane at that point he probably believed he could suirvive anything.
Omni-Surfer and WOL Morg rape the hell out of him.
Originally posted by bigbran😄 dude absolute zero just means a complete halt of all kinetic activity....the vacuum of space, while frigid, is far from absolute zero.. as there are an infinte amount of particles zipping around..hydrogen being chief among them... so i dont think SBP should or would have a problem making his arctic breath colde than that...in fact absolute zero is the scientific moby dick or holy grail if you will, it cannot be achieved as it would defy the laws of thermodynamics.....i mean just so you know😖mart:
Huh?
So his Ice breath is going to become colder than absolute zero?
Originally posted by bigbran
Sure he had crazy feats, but all this doesn't exactly mean he could do whatever the hell he wanted to do.
You didn't see him running through different realities. You didn't see him rubbing his hands, and healing a time stream. You didn't see him put a bunch of planets on a stick.
I guess the thing that everyone is trying to make you understand is that when John Byrne took over he decided that it was time for comics to get a little more realistic(a term i use loosely) he didnt want to do the same ol bullshit where superman was doing fabled shit like juggling planets, time traveling under his own power, sneezing away galaxies, and dragging around planets on a giant chain..cuz back then there was no limit to what writers allowed superman to do, so he was the young upstart that thought all that shit was lame, so he took the time to revise Superman's origin and made him less powerful. since then DC editors took it upon themsleves to refer to that as the pre-crsis era. and instead of saying that "oh some guy named John Byrnesthought superman was too powerful" they just consoliadated that it was a result of COIE and all te universes collapsed into one..geez i dont know why i have to go over this in such disgusting detail, when the evidence is quite clear..oh BTW here's the planet dragging of E-1 superboy...this is what SBP would have been doing if he got the chance
Originally posted by manjaroTemperature in space is roughly ~5K dependent upon the level of ambient electromagnetic radiation. Lowering the temperature 5 degrees is enough then...? 😬
😄 dude absolute zero just means a complete halt of all kinetic activity....the vacuum of space, while frigid, is far from absolute zero.. as there are an infinte amount of particles zipping around..hydrogen being chief among them... so i dont think SBP should or would have a problem making his arctic breath colde than that...in fact absolute zero is the scientific moby dick or holy grail if you will, it cannot be achieved as it would defy the laws of thermodynamics.....i mean just so you know😖mart:
Originally posted by Ext@nt
He was completely insane at that point he probably believed he could suirvive anything.Omni-Surfer and WOL Morg rape the hell out of him.