Originally posted by Daredevil1
Gambit can do that because he has skill with his staff which is impressive, I agree. Cap has dodged bullets without the aid of his shield and has played in beams/lasers as well though.
There's a BIIIIG difference between dodging bullets and reflecting/deflecting them with a very thin staff. 🙄
Actually, a lot of things he does tend to make some sense. But that? That scene where he throws his shield at a missile that's flying away from him?BULL. He'd have absolutely no way of reaching that missile. For one, it HAS to be flying at more than several hundred mph. Cap can throw the shield fast, but not that fast. Secondly, he's throwing it up and to a pretty far distance. The shield negates gravity now?
Sigh.
Its a comic feat. Gambit as you stated has blocked bullets with his staff? That requires mach burst of speeds if you think about it since bullets travel faster then sound. Heck Gambits crazier one's in deflecting beams are even faster, since beams are much faster then bullets.
Also if you look at that Falcon also should be ripping apart wind resistance in all, according to how fast the missile is going. A durability feat???
Bullseye has thrown toothpicks through bullet proof glass? How fast is that?
Shang-Chi has shattered ruby diamonds to dust? Crazy strength feat? It takes hell loads of pressuer to do that to diamonds.
These are all comic book feats, that these characters can do, that of course cannot happen in real life. Its called suspension of disbelief.
No, I've seen plenty of Cap's feats. And for the most part, I agree with them.Ones I don't agree with?
1. Spider-Man
2. Beast
3. ScorpionAnd I'm sure there are plenty more.
Apparently fighting Cap makes one become retarded. erm
-Beast forgets all of his superhuman abilities and training
-Spider-Man becomes a fragile two-year-old
-And Scorpion, well, losesI'm just sick and tired of his jobber aura.
By that logic would Gambit have a jobber aura, Beast vs Gambit Beast forgets all of his superhuman abilities and training.
You don't agree with Beast for Cap? But down here you say
Here's one example:X-treme X-Men #19. Check it out.
Beast, who is superhumanly fast and superhumanly agile, surprisingly lunged at Gambit. Gambit, with his superhuman agility, was able to evade the attack (which I personally see as quite the insult to Beast, but hey, it happened). You need superhuman agility to avoid a superhumanly agile opponent at such close range (They were just a few feet apart).
Here you say hay it happened for Gambit so its good.
Now apply that to Cap.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Its a comic feat. Gambit as you stated has blocked bullets with his staff? That requires mach burst of speeds if you think about it since bullets travel faster then sound. Heck Gambits crazier one's in deflecting beams are even faster, since beams are much faster then bullets.Also if you look at that Falcon also should be ripping apart wind resistance in all, according to how fast the missile is going. A durability feat???
Bullseye has thrown toothpicks through bullet proof glass? How fast is that?
Shang-Chi has shattered ruby diamonds to dust? Crazy strength feat? It takes hell loads of pressuer to do that to diamonds.
These are all comic book feats, that these characters can do, that of course cannot happen in real life. Its called suspension of disbelief.
You're right. Falcon should've been more damaged from the force of the wind.
Bullseye has perfect aim. He can throw toothpicks with certain speed and accuracy so that they shatter glass. He locates weak spots as easily as people breathe.
Shang-Chi uses the power of chi to perform superhuman feats.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
By that logic would Gambit have a jobber aura, Beast vs Gambit Beast forgets all of his superhuman abilities and training.You don't agree with Beast for Cap? But down here you say
Here you say hay it happened for Gambit so its good.
Now apply that to Cap.
Actually, I won't lie. Sometimes Gambit does have a jobber aura. However, his is a lot more believable than Cap's.
But really, who doesn't have a jobber aura? Squid Boy, perhaps?
No, I still don't agree with the Gambit evading Beast feat. But he did. And Gambit's been pulling all sorts of crazy superhuman stunts since he began his career.
It probably helps that Gambit can augment his physical attributes using his mutant power.
Cap is peak human to ehanced peak human. Beast should destroy him.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Yeah. I was wondering about that. I got your point though.Even though he does superhuman things, he isn't superhuman right?
Better reflexes my ass. I'd love to see Captain deflecting bullets/lasers with a thin staff. Gambit is able to react to the same things Captain does WITHOUT that lame slowmo vision or whatever Captain is using.
Cap does things that can be considered Superhuman also but he is labelled peak human. Gambit isnt classified by Marvel as having Superhuman agility so the thing he did must have not been superhuman.
Gambit might have better reflexes than Cap by a small margin, but that isnt going to make up for the giant gap in fighting ability, strength, durability.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Cap is peak human to ehanced peak human. Beast should destroy him.
That fight isnt too unbelievable. Beast does have Cap beat physically, but Cap has a shield and is a master battle strategist and fighter.
Originally posted by thedude1948
Cap does things that can be considered Superhuman also but he is labelled peak human. Gambit isnt classified by Marvel as having Superhuman agility so the thing he did must have not been superhuman.Gambit might have better reflexes than Cap by a small margin, but that isnt going to make up for the giant gap in fighting ability, strength, durability.
That fight isnt too unbelievable. Beast does have Cap beat physically, but Cap has a shield and is a master battle strategist and fighter.
Gambit can increase his physical attributes via his mutant power. That includes speed, strength, reflexes, agility, etc. That, coupled with his already highly-accomplished martial arts skills, he could take Cap if he fought with any intelligence at all.
Are you serious about the Beast/Cap fight? Beast's reflexes/reaction time are superior to Cap's. He should be able to dodge any blow Cap throws his way and then wreck his world. Beast is also a highly-accomplished figther. Yes, Cap is superior to him in fighting skills, but it's not by miles. Basically Beast is Chuck Norris to Cap's Bruce Lee.
Damn. What happened to you, Hank? People used to love you, respect you...
1. This is not a Cap vs. Gambit vs. Beast thread.
2. Beast owns.
3. FINALLY it's mentioned why Gambit is superhumanly agile/reflexive/etc. He augments (heightens) his normally high physical attributes with his kinetic energy. And he's no sluch in the fighting compartment. Added on to that, he fights with a kinetically charged staff, which Cap would be prey to if it hit anything besides his shield.
Basically
Captain america -a small degree of fighting ability + enhanced agilty-related abilitys - kicka** shield + kicka** staff + major destructive abilities + even better aim + 52 potential explosives+ anything he picks up around him = Gambit
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Captain america -a small degree of fighting ability + enhanced agilty-related abilitys - kicka** shield + kicka** staff + major destructive abilities + even better aim + 52 potential explosives+ anything he picks up around him = Gambit
You forgot alot of things such as Caps big strength and durability advantage (and other things), But I stopped taking this post seriously after "-a small degree of fighting ability"..... 😐
Originally posted by Daredevil1
By that logic would Gambit have a jobber aura, Beast vs Gambit Beast forgets all of his superhuman abilities and training.
Originally posted by thedude1948
Cap does things that can be considered Superhuman also but he is labelled peak human. Gambit isnt classified by Marvel as having Superhuman agility so the thing he did must have not been superhuman.Gambit might have better reflexes than Cap by a small margin, but that isnt going to make up for the giant gap in fighting ability, strength, durability.
True, reflexes alone won't make up for the gap, but that combined with his tremendous ranged advantage will.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Id like to first off say that Best is overrated. His fights in no show show that he should be able to beat Cap or any other highly skilled combatant. Secondly, Gambit loses to Cap as well. Mostly for the same reasons hed lose to Daredevil imo.
Originally posted by Ultraman Baltan
The Cap tears him apart.
You're right. Falcon should've been more damaged from the force of the wind.Bullseye has perfect aim. He can throw toothpicks with certain speed and accuracy so that they shatter glass. He locates weak spots as easily as people breathe.
Shang-Chi uses the power of chi to perform superhuman feats.
Cap has perfect aim with shield. He can throw his shield with certain speeds and accuracy to go through metal and reach missiles as easily as people breath.
Cap uses the power of the SSS and martial arts to perform superhuman feats.
That logic works the same with Cap if you think about it.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
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Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Just realized how that came out. I mean the people who know what he is capable of tend to exaggerate his abilities just a tad. Like I said, even Beast wouldn't hit Gambit EVERYtime, so Gambit dodging him isn't really what I'd call PIS. Obviously though, he is underrated as far as popular opinion is concerned.Sorry for the misunderstanding.
S'ok. I understand.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
No, by all means. Let Cap run around. Just don't forget that Gambit isn't a statue either. 😉In fact, besides strength, durability, and endurance, Gambit has some physical advantages over Cap. For one, he's more agile (superhumanly so). He's faster/quicker (no, not in a sprint, but also superhumanly so). He's probably even more accurate with his projectiles, too.
No,no,no,no,no,no. Gambit's agility was lised at 4, Caps agility was at 5. Unless Gambit has an upgrade Cap is faster!
Marvel.com says he has near superhuman reflexes
Originally posted by Metalmanx
...Wow. 😐Whoever wrote that...has just basically shat on everything I know and love about comics.
That makes absolutely no sense. 🙁
Why does it make no sense. Beast is supposed to have superhuman agility but hes not Quicksilver. Cap maybe listed as peak human but that does not mean he cannot be close to the Beast in agility. Beast himself says that Cap is almost as nimble as he is. Cap and Beast have been put into the same category agility. So what about those scans does not make any sense?