Originally posted by trolly_crouchjr
Tell me how it happened then? By Pure physical force?
Yes. War Hulk was amped by the Celestial Tech(whether is just harnessed his own strength or not remains debatable), thus able to stop him physically. Juggernaut's own strength is mystical in nature, but purely physical in output. The same goes for War. There's nothing to indicate that it somehow negated the Cyttorak enchantment. That's something the Juggernaut fanboys made up.
Originally posted by trolly_crouchjr
I dont know...There are 3 reaseons
Pure Physical force stopeed him
Hulk was drawing strength from the 2 universe( duno this one)
Negating effect
The first two are true. The last one isn't. If it was, it would've been stated on panel or by the writer. Ofcourse, since it wasn't specified, it's up to the reader to think of it what he wants to. But it strikes me as a little desperate.
The Juggernaut has withstood even Thor's godforce(which caused Galactus to flee for his life on one occasion,and shattered the prime Celestial's protective dome on another) with absolutely no physical damage whatsoever. --Thor #412
He withstood a direct blast from Stellaris's Celestial armor with zero effect to his person. The sheer energy radius of the blast hitting him was so powerful it created a large chasm in the Earth. --Thunderstrike #2
Took a direct blast from the new-look Cyclops that was described by him as being able to "rip a small planet in half" with a smile as The Juggernaut's only reaction. --Cyclops #1
Facing the Stranger who'd grown to about 50 feet tall,The Juggernaut lept up and toppled him with one punch --X-Men Forever #6
Engaging fellow exemplar Stonecuter in a toe-to-toe slugfest,the punches they traded to one another caused earthquakes and was said to be the greatest fury ever unleashed on Earth. --Juggernaut:Eighth Day
Despite suffering a significant power loss,The Juggernaut was still able to match Prime(who proved more than strong enough to match Thor punch for punch) in a direct test of strength before slamming Prime back through a wall. --Exiles #4
The Juggernaut has on two occasions allowed Cannonball to blast directly into him. And both times Cannonball was knocked out of blast mode and barely conscious while The Juggernaut remained totally unmoved and unphased.
Read and learn kiddies there is nothing Cyclops can do that could knock Juggernaut back or beat him period.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
The first two are true. The last one isn't. If it was, it would've been stated on panel or by the writer. Ofcourse, since it wasn't specified, it's up to the reader to think of it what he wants to. But it strikes me as a little desperate.
Technically...without proof on your side, it's still debatable. We don't know enough about the celestial tech to say if it was a negating effect or his own physical force. If you want to be honest about it, we're both speculating.
But, if you know Juggernaut well, you'd realize that the negating effect makes the most sense here. Otherwise, it would contradict his previous feats.
Originally posted by DinalfosRead and Cry
Yes. War Hulk was amped by the Celestial Tech(whether is just harnessed his own strength or not remains debatable), thus able to stop him physically. Juggernaut's own strength is mystical in nature, but purely physical in output. The same goes for War. There's nothing to indicate that it somehow negated the Cyttorak enchantment. That's something the Juggernaut fanboys made up.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Yes. War Hulk was amped by the Celestial Tech(whether is just harnessed his own strength or not remains debatable), thus able to stop him physically. Juggernaut's own strength is mystical in nature, but purely physical in output. The same goes for War. There's nothing to indicate that it somehow negated the Cyttorak enchantment. That's something the Juggernaut fanboys made up.
Actually, this same energy was shown to negate Dr.Strange's spells a few issues earlier. As explained by Strange, it was able to do this because it was not of this universe so the magicks didn't work against it. When Strange himself goes to the HR universe where War's energy came from, he notes how strange the reality is there and, unlike in the normal universe, the Hulk from that universe is able to shatter the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak like glass. So yes, it's not spelled out in that single issue itself that War's energy negated the Juggernaut's magic. But it is indicated in other parts of the storyline.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Technically...without proof on your side, it's still debatable. We don't know enough about the celestial tech to say if it was a negating effect or his own physical force. If you want to be honest about it, we're both speculating.But, if you know Juggernaut well, you'd realize that the negating effect makes the most sense here. Otherwise, it would contradict his previous feats.
Ofcourse it contraditcs his previous feats. It was to shock the reader that the Juggernaut was not completely unstoppable. And Juggernaut has an unhealthy relationship with Magic, I know. But the Thing is, Juggy was pretty shocked himself. It magic was negating his enchantment and Juggy himself knew about his, then why the shock? War's strength was enhanced, so the point the writer was making is that it was enough to stop him in his tracks. It's debatable, but only because you can't prove a negative.
Be honest to yourself for a moment. I agreed that you can take from it what you want, if you're really desperate. But that kind of 'reasoning' can be applied anywhere.
Originally posted by Silas Burr
Actually, this same energy was shown to negate Dr.Strange's spells a few issues earlier. As explained by Strange, it was able to do this because it was not of this universe so the magicks didn't work against it. When Strange himself goes to the HR universe where War's energy came from, he notes how strange the reality is there and, unlike in the normal universe, the Hulk from that universe is able to shatter the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak like glass. So yes, it's not spelled out in that single issue itself that War's energy negated the Juggernaut's magic. But it is indicated in other parts of the storyline.
Originally posted by Silas Burr
Actually, this same energy was shown to negate Dr.Strange's spells a few issues earlier. As explained by Strange, it was able to do this because it was not of this universe so the magicks didn't work against it. When Strange himself goes to the HR universe where War's energy came from, he notes how strange the reality is there and, unlike in the normal universe, the Hulk from that universe is able to shatter the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak like glass. So yes, it's not spelled out in that single issue itself that War's energy negated the Juggernaut's magic. But it is indicated in other parts of the storyline.
It's not. The Hulk that shattered the bands was simply stronger than normal because of the HR-universe and the Pocket Universe. He was a walking anomaly.
But aside from that, when Juggernaut and Hulk were fighting, they weren't in the HR-universe. War drew his strength from there, but it was clearly used to enhance his physical abilities. There was absolutely no reason to believe otherwise.
