Originally posted by ShakyamunisonSniffle...sniffle. Some of the most beautiful words I have ever read. You say that I cannot do it myself. Well, the Bible does say that I can do all things through Christ Who strengthens me.
So you have no morales of your own? I live in a would with no god out side of me, and I have morales. I am glad there is something controlling you, because you cannot do it yourself.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveSo you just strengthened what was just said that you can not do anything on your own but must need God/Christ help to do it.
Sniffle...sniffle. Some of the most beautiful words I have ever read. You say that I cannot do it myself. Well, the Bible does say that I can do all things through Christ Who strengthens me.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Sniffle...sniffle. Some of the most beautiful words I have ever read. You say that I cannot do it myself. Well, the Bible does say that I can do all things through Christ Who strengthens me.
But without Christ, do you beleive you would be a bad person ? If so, why ? I think that's what we are all trying to figure out...
Does your morality completely rely on the Bible, or have you ever had a morality of your own ?
Re: What If There Is No Life After Death?
Originally posted by Storm
The afterlife is one of those concepts that we all have an accepted understanding of. And a lot of people and most religions believe in some form of afterlife. But what if we simply cease to exist? How would it affect your behaviour, your everyday life, and your decisions? People sharing this view, how would your world be different if you didn' t believe there was some form of afterlife, if different at all?
My father is a complete Atheist - in fact one of the most Athiestic people I know. He believes when he dies that will be it. He will cease to exist mentally, nothing more then a body to be cremated.
And he is no different then any other father really. He doesn't have strange views, he isn't without purpose or love or anything. In fact, in thinking on it I dare say he is far more alive because of it. At some point he realises the vitality of this life - the only life he has. Thus he endeavours to get everything out of it he can, realising in the big scheme of things he wont have a second chance, and what will remain of him is what he has created and done.
However in saying that he, and people like him, are not somehow decadent, dedicated only to experience. Rather he had a balanced life. He is still a "moral" person, still has a strong sense of right and wrong - without any religion whats so ever to guide him. He "believes" in humanity, essentially. He has raised good children (if I do say so myself) has been a good husband, well respected by his piers and so forth. He has enjoyed life, but never, as JesusIsAlive seems to imply for people without "God" by becoming a amoral, direction-less figure.
Originally posted by Alliance
COULD IT BE THAT RELIGION IS NOT THE ONLY QUALITY THAT DEFINES A PERSON? 😱PERHAPS ITS EVEN ONE OF THE LESSER QUALITIES? 😱
YOU MIGHT VERY WELL BE ON TO SOMETHING THERE! I SUSPECT IT IS WORTH INVESTIGATING FURTHER detective
Because really it is something that is outdated, in terms of religious advocates, who imply to be an Atheist essentially makes one an amoral Nihilist. I mean really. Morality as a base is something that is far more linked to society then God.
Re: What If There Is No Life After Death?
Originally posted by Storm
But what if we simply cease to exist? How would it affect your behaviour, your everyday life, and your decisions?
I'll do a bunch of drugs and cheat on my wife all the time.
I mean if there's no one I have to answer to when I pass then why the **** not?
Re: Re: What If There Is No Life After Death?
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I'll do a bunch of drugs and cheat on my wife all the time.I mean if there's no one I have to answer to when I pass then why the **** not?
I wont do drugs for health reason. And i wont cheat on my wife because i dont want him to cheat on me. Of course if there is mutual consent between the two of us . . . . nah, we'll probably just join a wife/husband sharing group 💃.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenBesides who needs salvation from an imaginary place.??........That IS the trick of the church.........duh.
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Umm...if Salvation is only possible through loyalty to the Bible, then Salvation is the most difficult thing to acheive...with all the contradictions, uncertainties, and misinterpretations the Bible contains, it seems almost impossible. [/B]
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So you have no morales of your own? I live in a would with no god out side of me, and I have morales. I am glad there is something controlling you, because you cannot do it yourself.
Everyone has morals of their own because God (the Great Law-giver) gave every person a conscience to know right from wrong. In addition, many of us are taught ethics from our parents/guardians from the time we are young. This truth warrants repeating.
Everyone has morals of their own because God (the Great Law-giver) gave every person a conscience to know right from wrong. In addition, many of us are taught ethics from our parents/guardians from the time we are young.
Get this Shak, get this: God is the reason why there is a knowledge of right and wrong. You don't know this innately or intrinsically apart from God's design (whether you choose to accept this or not). I know you deny the existence of God and what not but that doesn't change anything. God still exists and is responsible for the basic knowledge of right and wrong that you have within you via conscience. Now, you have missed my point completely. Read slowly this time so that you don't miss anything. Shak, I have said this before and I will say it again: you are usually the first to respond to my posts but I don't think that you read what I say carefully. I think that you are impetuous and so eager to respond to what I say (in an effort to oppose what I say) that you overextend yourself mentally. This causes you to miss and overlook the import, gist, and crux of what I say. If this offends you then I apologize. Now, the issue is not whether I "have" morals of my own, but rather whether it matters in a universe devoid of God. As I said at the outset of this post God is the reason there is a right from wrong. These realities, truths, principles, or concepts do not exist in a vacuum on their own. But, as I have reiterated they exist "because of" God. I said all that to say this: if...God...does...not...exist...then...neither...do (or does)...right...from...wrong. That is why I said that I would basically "do my own thing." I would live it up from sun up to sun down. I would do whatever I felt like doing because of the preceding fact. No right from wrong presupposes that there is no God. If there is no God then there is no (true) accountability beyond this present reality we call life. From that vantage point I said that I would live basically any way that I want without regard for others feelings per se. There is no independent, universal law of morality and ethics (apart from God) that is ordained to govern the lives of humanity. In short, there is no justice or standard of right and wrong that we are held accountable to (again, apart from God). How can I say these things? It is simple: the Bible (God's revealed will for humanity) states that the laws that do exist or rather the governing authorities that exist are appointed by God and that there is no (true) authority except from God. God is the source of all authority and right from wrong. Our government exists by God's design (I am not talking about the various political factions and the corruption that goes on in governments worldwide). I am just saying that the concept of "government" (no matter how primordial) orignally came from God, the Great, Sovereign of the universe. All laws in essence are ensconced in divine law or have a common source in terms of our knowledge of law and why they should exist. Without laws to govern society there would be utter chaos and anarchy. That is why God ordained government no matter how primitive or sophisticated it may be among the myriads of cultures and societies ecumenically.
In conclusion, the knowledge of right and wrong is derived from the true Law-giver and Judge of all the earth: God Almighty. Apart from God there is no independent knowledge or thought of right and wrong. The knowledge that exists does not exist out here in a vacuum, but has been implanted, and indelibly etched in/on our minds through the instrumentality of what the Bible calls "the conscience."
Furthermore, I completely understood what you wrote regarding someone controlling me and that I cannot do it myself, yada, yada, yada. I simply responded in a way that deflected what you wrote. Yes I admitted that I need God's help to live right. Is there a problem with that? Are you indicating that you don't need help doing anything? Stop and think about this before you respond Shak. I think I know you by now, don't just reply impulsively and rashly without considering everything (the totality and gist of all that I have written).
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Everyone has morals of their own because God (the Great Law-giver) gave every person a conscience to know right from wrong. In addition, many of us are taught ethics from our parents/guardians from the time we are young. This truth warrants repeating.Everyone has morals of their own because God (the Great Law-giver) gave every person a conscience to know right from wrong. In addition, many of us are taught ethics from our parents/guardians from the time we are young.
Get this Shak, get this: God is the reason why there is a knowledge of right and wrong. You don't know this innately or intrinsically apart from God's design (whether you choose to accept this or not). I know you deny the existence of God and what not but that doesn't change anything. God still exists and is responsible for the basic knowledge of right and wrong that you have within you via conscience. Now, you have missed my point completely. Read slowly this time so that you don't miss anything. Shak, I have said this before and I will say it again: you are usually the first to respond to my posts but I don't think that you read what I say carefully. I think that you are impetuous and so eager to respond to what I say (in an effort to oppose what I say) that you overextend yourself mentally. This causes you to miss and overlook the import, gist, and crux of what I say. If this offends you then I apologize. Now, the issue is not whether I "have" morals of my own, but rather whether it matters in a universe devoid of God. As I said at the outset of this post God is the reason there is a right from wrong. These realities, truths, principles, or concepts do not exist in a vacuum on their own. But, as I have reiterated they exist "because of" God. I said all that to say this: if...God...does...not...exist...then...neither...do (or does)...right...from...wrong. That is why I said that I would basically "do my own thing." I would live it up from sun up to sun down. I would do whatever I felt like doing because of the preceding fact. No right from wrong presupposes that there is no God. If there is no God then there is no (true) accountability beyond this present reality we call life. From that vantage point I said that I would live basically any way that I want without regard for others feelings per se. There is no independent, universal law of morality and ethics (apart from God) that is ordained to govern the lives of humanity. In short, there is no justice or standard of right and wrong that we are held accountable to (again, apart from God). How can I say these things? It is simple: the Bible (God's revealed will for humanity) states that the laws that do exist or rather the governing authorities that exist are appointed by God and that there is no (true) authority except from God. God is the source of all authority and right from wrong. Our government exists by God's design (I am not talking about the various political factions and the corruption that goes on in governments worldwide). I am just saying that the concept of "government" (no matter how primordial) orignally came from God, the Great, Sovereign of the universe. All laws in essence are ensconced in divine law or have a common source in terms of our knowledge of law and why they should exist. Without laws to govern society there would be utter chaos and anarchy. That is why God ordained government no matter how primitive or sophisticated it may be among the myriads of cultures and societies ecumenically.
In conclusion, the knowledge of right and wrong is derived from the true Law-giver and Judge of all the earth: God Almighty. Apart from God there is no independent knowledge or thought of right and wrong. The knowledge that exists does not exist out here in a vacuum, but has been implanted, and indelibly etched in/on our minds through the instrumentality of what the Bible calls "the conscience."
Furthermore, I completely understood what you wrote regarding someone controlling me and that I cannot do it myself, yada, yada, yada. I simply responded in a way that deflected what you wrote. Yes I admitted that I need God's help to live right. Is there a problem with that? Are you indicating that you don't need help doing anything? Stop and think about this before you respond Shak. I think I know you by now, don't just reply impulsively and rashly without considering everything (the totality and gist of all that I have written).
Please stop insulting me. It only shows that you are in position to know anything about a loving god. You anger shows and I think you should stop posting and find something that makes you happy, because I can tell the debating only upsets you.