Maybe, maybe not, I don't know everything about Depa and Luminara. If Mace words were right, that Depa surpassed him in bladework, then they might take him out before he takes out either of them. But if he is able to hold them off until he takes one of them out with the force, then he will probably win...
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Originally posted by kamikz
Maybe, maybe not, I don't know everything about Depa and Luminara. If Mace words were right, that Depa surpassed him in bladework, then they might take him out before he takes out either of them. But if he is able to hold them off until he takes one of them out with the force, then he will probably win...Gotta sleep now, my birthday tomorrow! 😄
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Originally posted by darthsith19
Dooku wins. ROTS Anakin > Depa while ROTS Kenobi > Luminara. So Dooku would be able to dispose of Luminara at least as easily as he disposed of Obi-Wan in ROTS. Then it's just him vs. Depa, Depa's good but the Count would beat her.
You have to remember that they'll both be attacking him simultaneously. Vaapad is like a thousands attacks at you at once. Depa herself could keep the Count busy, but ultimately losing. With Luminara, I believe they can overcome the Count
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Originally posted by Council#13
You have to remember that they'll both be attacking him simultaneously. Vaapad is like a thousands attacks at you at once. Depa herself could keep the Count busy, but ultimately losing. With Luminara, I believe they can overcome the CountOh, and Happy Birthday! 😱
Anakin alone > Dooku yet Dooku still wtf pwnd Kenobi, who > Luminara, while fending off Anakin, who > depa. Add to that the fact that Depa and Luminara won't work as well together as Kenobi and Luminara did. After looking at this are we to believe that Luminara will afre better against Dooku than Kenobi did? if not, then she gets pwnd worse than Kenobi did ans then it's down to depa vs. Dooku. Dooku wins.
When Dooku "pwned" them they were messing with him, according to the novelization. He realized that they were too dangerous to keep alive, so he tossed Kenobi using the Force. Now, if they weren't messing with him at first the battle would have gone differently. This is going off topic, I know. What I'm trying to say is that Luminara and Depa will not be holding back against Count Dooku. I wouldn't say that they'd do as well together as Kenobi and Skywalker, but these remember Depa's fighting style. Vaapad is fast and accurate. It's like having 5 people attacking you at once. 5 good people. Plus Luminara.
Originally posted by Council#13
When Dooku "pwned" them they were messing with him, according to the novelization. He realized that they were too dangerous to keep alive, so he tossed Kenobi using the Force. Now, if they weren't messing with him at first the battle would have gone differently. This is going off topic, I know. What I'm trying to say is that Luminara and Depa will not be holding back against Count Dooku. I wouldn't say that they'd do as well together as Kenobi and Skywalker, but these remember Depa's fighting style. Vaapad is fast and accurate. It's like having 5 people attacking you at once. 5 good people. Plus Luminara.
Originally posted by darthsith19
So Obi and Ani were messing with Dooku, an extremely dangerous Sith Lord who's capture/death could lead to the end of the war? He realised they were to dangerous to be kept alive? So ebfore that what, he was just gonna let them live? That makes no sense and why would he toy with them?
Have you read the novelization?
Oh, they were certainly energetic enough, leaping and whirling, raining blows almost at random, cutting chairs to pieces and Force-Hurling them in every conceivable direction, while Dooku continued, in his gracefully methoidcal way, to outmaneuver them so thoroughly it was all he could do to keep from laughing outloud.
It was a simple matter of countering their tactics, which were depressingly straightforward; Skywalker was the swift one, whooshing here and there like a spastic hawk-bat- attempting a Jedi varient of neek-in-the-middle so they could come at him from both sides- while Kenobi came on in a measured Shii-Cho cadence, dilerberate as a lumberdroid, moving step by step, cutting off the angles, clumsy, but relentlessly dogged as he tried to chivvy Dooku into a corner.
Whereas all Dooku need do was to slip from one side to another- and occasionally flip over a head here and there- so that he could fighteach of them in turn, rather than both of them at the same time. He supposed that in their own milieu, they might actually prove reasonably effective; it was clear their stule had been developed by fighting as a team against large numbers of opponents. They were not prepared to fight together against a single Force-User, certainly not one of Dooku's power; he, on the other hand, had always fought alone. It was laughably easy to keep the Jedi tripping and stumbling and getting in each other's way.
They didn't even comprehend how utterly he dominated the combat. Because they fought as they had been trained, by releasing all desire and allowing the Force to flow through them, they had no hope of countering Dooku's mastery of Sith techniques. They had learned nothing since he had bested them on Geonosis.
They allowed the Force to direct them; Dooku directed the Force.
He drew their strikes to his parries, and drove his own ripostes with thrusts of dark power that subtly altered the Jedi's balance and disrupted their timing. He could have slaughtered both of them as casually as that creature Maul had destroyed the vigos of the Black Sun.
However, only one death was in his plan, and this dumb-show was becoming tiresome. Not to mention tiring. The dark power that served him went only so far, and he was after all, not a young man.
He leaned into a thrust at Kenobi's gut that the Jedi Master deflected with a rising parry, bringing them chest-to-chest, blades flaring, locked together a handbreath from each other's throats. "Your moves are too slow, Kenobi. Too predictable. You'll have to do better than this." Kenobi's response to this friendly word was to regard him with a twinkel of gentel amusement in his eye. "Very well, then," the Jedi said, and shot striaght upward over Dooku's head so fast it seemed he'd vanished.
And in the space where Kenobi's chest had been was now only the blue lightning of Skywalker's driving blade for Dooku's heart. Only a desperate whirl to one side made what would have been a hole in his chest a line of scorch through his armorweave cloak. Dooku thought, 'What?'
He threw himself spinning up and away from the two Jedi to land on the situation table, disengaging for a moment to recover his composure- that had been entirely too close- but by the time his boots touched down Kenobi was there to meet him, blade weaving so fast that Dooku dared not even try to strike; he threw a feint toward Kenobi's face, then dropped and spun in a reverse ankle-sweep -
But not only did Kenobi overleap this attack, Dooku nearly lost his OWN foot to a slash from SKYWALKER who had again come out of nowhere and now carved through the table so that it collapsed under Dooku's weight and dumped the Sith Lord unceremoniously to the floor.
This was not in the plan.
Skywalker sllammed his following strike down so hard that the shock of delfecting it buckled Dooku's elbows. Dooku thre himself into a backroll that brought him to his feet- and Kenobi's blade was there to meet his neck. Only a desperate whirling slash-block, coupled with a wheel kick that caught Kenobi on the thigh, bought him enough time to leap away again, and when he touched down-
Skywalker was already there.
The first overhand chop of Skywalker's blade slid off Dooku's instinctive gaurd. The second bent Dooku's wrist. The thrid flash of blue forced Dooku's scarlet blade so far into the inside that his own lightsaber scorched his shoulder, and Dooku was forced to give ground. Dooku felt himself blanch. Where had this come from?
Skywalker came on, mechanically enexprable, impossibly pwerful, a destroyer droid with a lightsaber: each step a blow and each blow a step. Dooku backed away as fast as he dared; Skywalker stayed right on top of him. Dooku's breath was short and hard. He no longer tried to block Skywalker's strikes but only to kuide them slanting away; he could not meet Skywalker strength-to-strength- not only did the boy wield tremendous reserves of Force energy, but his sheer physical power was astonishing-
And only then did Dooku understand that he'd been suckered. Skywalker's Shien ready-stance had been a ruse, as his Ataro gymnastics; the boy was a Djem So stylist, and as fine as one Dooku had ever seen. His own elegant Makashi simply did not generate the kinetic power to meet Djem So head-to-head. Especially not while also defending against a second attacker. It was time to alter his own tactics.
He dropped low and spun into another reverse ankle-sweep - the weakness of Djem So was its lack of moblility- that slapped Skywalker's boot sharply enough to throw the young Jedi off balance, giving Dooku the opportunity to leap away-
Only to find himself again facing the wheel of blue lighting that was Kenobi's blade. Dooku decided that the comedy had eneded. Now it was time to kill.
Kenobi's Master had been Qui-Gon Jinn, Dooku's own Padawan; Dooku had fenced Qui-Gon thousands of times, and knew every weakness of the Ataru form, with it's ridiculous acrobatics. He drove a series of flashing thrusts at Kenobi's legs to draw the Jedi Master into a flipping overhead leap so that Dooku could burn through his spin from kidneyes to shoulder blades- and this image, this plan, was so clear in Dooku's mind that he almost failed to notice that Kenobi met every one of his thrusts without so much as moving his feet, staying perfectly centered, perfectly balanced, blade never moving a millimeter more than necessary, deflecting without efforct, riposting with flickering strikes and stabs swifter than the tongue of a Garollian ghost viper, and when Dooku felt Skywalker regain his feet and stride once more toward his back, he finally registered the source of that blinding defensive volcity Kenobi had need a moment ago, and only then, belatedly, did he understand that Kenobi's Ataru and Shii-Cho had been ploys as well.
Kenobi had become a master of Soresu.
Sooku found himself having a sudden, unexpected, overpowering, and entirely distressing bad feeling about this...
Damn that took a long time to write!
That's great. So they were toying with him, according to the novelization. But nothing like that ever happened in the movie. Dooku never said anything about Kenobi's moves being too slow and too predictable. No table was ever broken by Skywalker, they never double-teamed him like that. Dooku's own blade never scorched his shoulder. He never did an ankle-sweep on Skywalker. Everything the novel has to say abgout that fight seems to contradict the movie.
I guess so, as the movie portrays the exact fight; nothing more, nothing less. It's not like the Mace - Sidious fight where there's a gap to be filled, we see everything that happens in the fight in the movie, and the novel contradicts that by adding extra stuff. It isn't canon.
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Originally posted by Jen'ari
I guess so, as the movie portrays the exact fight; nothing more, nothing less. It's not like the Mace - Sidious fight where there's a gap to be filled, we see everything that happens in the fight in the movie, and the novel contradicts that by adding extra stuff. It isn't canon.Happy Bday by the way.
Yeah probably...
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