Can anyone take Hugo Chavez seriously?

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Can anyone take Hugo Chavez seriously?

First of all, here's the article

UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez tore into his U.S. counterpart and his U.N. hosts Wednesday, likening President Bush to the devil and declaring to the annual meeting of the General Assembly that its system is "worthless."

"The devil came here yesterday," Chavez said, referring to Bush, who addressed the world body Tuesday from the same lectern. "And it smells of sulfur still today."

Chavez accused Bush of having spoken "as if he owned the world," and said a psychiatrist could be called to analyze the statement. (Watch Hugo Chavez cross himself as he tells world leaders he can smell the devil -- 1:06)

"As the spokesman of imperialism, he came to share his nostrums to try to preserve the current pattern of domination, exploitation and pillage of the peoples of the world. An Alfred Hitchcock movie could use it as a scenario. I would even propose a title: 'The Devil's Recipe.' "

Chavez held up a book by Noam Chomsky on imperialism and said it encapsulated his arguments: "The American empire is doing all it can to consolidate its hegemonistic system of domination, and we cannot allow him to do that. We cannot allow world dictatorship to be consolidated."

John Bolton, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, later told CNN that "I think that [Chavez's] rhetoric today shows exactly what kind of man he is."

Bolton said: "We're not going to address that sort of comic-strip approach to international affairs.

"The real issue here is he knows he can exercise freedom of speech on that podium and, as I say, he could exercise it in Central Park, too. He's not giving the same freedom to the people of Venezuela."

Chavez's tirades against Bush have become common. In May, he accused Bush of committing genocide and said the U.S. president should be imprisoned by an international criminal court. (Full story)

Oil supplies loom large in any discussion of U.S.-Venezuela relations. Venezuela was the world's ninth-largest oil producer in 2004 and the fourth-largest supplier of oil to the United States, accounting for 11.2 percent of U.S. imports in 2005, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

Double-standard accusation
Chavez also directed his criticism Wednesday to the United Nations, calling the General Assembly "merely a deliberative organ" that meets once a year.

"We have no power, no power to make any impact on the terrible situation in the world," he said.

Chavez called the veto power shared by the five permanent members of the Security Council "anti-democratic," and cited the U.S. veto of a resolution that would have demanded the Israelis halt their bombing of Lebanon this summer.

That move "allowed the Israelis with impunity to destroy Lebanon in front of us all as we stood there watching," Chavez said. He recommended that the world body's headquarters be moved to another country and offered his own as a possible new home.

Chavez also alleged that the United States is planning, financing and setting in motion a coup to overthrow him. The U.S. has denied such accusations in the past.

He accused the U.S. government of having a double standard, protecting terrorists when it suits its leaders.

He noted that he recently returned from a summit of more than 50 heads of state from nonaligned nations in Havana, Cuba, and urged his audience to support their efforts for "a world of peace."

Lest his remarks had not been clear, he closed to applause by saying, "It smells of sulfur here, but God is with us and I embrace you all."

Second of all, here's his face

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aside from that, how is anyone supposed to take this guy seriously? I can understand criticism of the U.S., but this guy is not speaking in a manner of which would be considered appropriate from a world leader. and he wants a seat on the U.N. Security Council??

I suppose our president is no better; he's always talking about "evil" nations and such, but I think that Chavez and Ahmadinejad are just saying these things to sort of put the same spin on things as we have. We called their counties evil and corrupt? so they call ours evil and corrupt...which calls into question...are either really AS corrupt as the other says? I'm not knowledgeable enough about either the U.S. government or the Iranian (or Venezuelan) gov't to know for sure. All I know is that their accusations sound ridiculous and exaggerated to me...so does that mean our criticisms of other countries might be ridiculous and exaggerated as well?

I swear he is the new Manuel Noriega! Why do these guys always look the same? 😑

the baret

...oh was that rhetorical?

General Assembly president Sheikha Haya Rashed Al Khalifa was laughing and covering her mouth as to not make it noticeable as Chavez went on with his spiel. She wasn't the only one holding back laughter either, from what I hear.

Not only is that anyone will take him seriously, but no one will agree with him. He is trying to ally with many countries in South America to go against the US but of course, we laughed and let him cry for it.

Actually I think hes tapping into a large part of the world that is disatiesfied with US foreign policy.

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Dissatisfied is one thing. Going on a tangent about how the leader of that country is the devil? That's a bit extreme. I can agree with someone who dislikes our policies, but when you decend into equating Bush with Satan I tend to ignore you. I have a feeling that a lot of people do the same thing.

Originally posted by Alliance
Actually I think hes tapping into a large part of the world that is disatiesfied with US foreign policy.

It is only a shame that the person who has the nerve to stand up and say it is less then, well, authoritative. Sadly I heard someone liken him to a sober Boris Yeltsin (for comedy purposes.)

Dissatisfied is one thing. Going on a tangent about how the leader of that country is the devil? That's a bit extreme. I can agree with someone who dislikes our policies, but when you decend into equating Bush with Satan I tend to ignore you. I have a feeling that a lot of people do the same thing.

Yes, I mean I equate Bush with a fool, and aggressive one, but there is no way he is devil material.

Originally posted by Kinneary
Dissatisfied is one thing. Going on a tangent about how the leader of that country is the devil? That's a bit extreme. I can agree with someone who dislikes our policies, but when you decend into equating Bush with Satan I tend to ignore you. I have a feeling that a lot of people do the same thing.

Err, it's called using a metaphor.

How is it any different from Bush's whole 'Axis of Evil' crap?

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Err, it's called using a metaphor.

How is it any different from Bush's whole 'Axis of Evil' crap?

Some people don't seem to mind when Bush makes broad, inaccurate metaphors that serve no purpose, but dislike it when others do the same to him.

Originally posted by Kinneary
Dissatisfied is one thing. Going on a tangent about how the leader of that country is the devil? That's a bit extreme. I can agree with someone who dislikes our policies, but when you decend into equating Bush with Satan I tend to ignore you. I have a feeling that a lot of people do the same thing.

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Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
It is only a shame that the person who has the nerve to stand up and say it is less then, well, authoritative. Sadly I heard someone liken him to a sober Boris Yeltsin (for comedy purposes.)

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Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Err, it's called using a metaphor.

How is it any different from Bush's whole 'Axis of Evil' crap?

It's far different from Bush's little "Axis of Evil" crap. Chavez straight-up called him "El Diablo", and in Spanish that's not something you joke around with. It's quite an accusation.

I more or less agree with Kinneary; it was just an angry rant.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
It's far different from Bush's little "Axis of Evil" crap. Chavez straight-up called him "El Diablo", and in Spanish that's not something you joke around with. It's quite an accusation.

I more or less agree with Kinneary; it was just an angry rant.

Perhaps, but then there are parts of Europe where Hitler and things associated with him and the Axis aren't joking matters either, in fact are near taboo so bad the memories are.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
It's far different from Bush's little "Axis of Evil" crap. Chavez straight-up called him "El Diablo", and in Spanish that's not something you joke around with. It's quite an accusation.

Of course it's not! It's exactly the same. Chavez obviously chose his rhetoric to mirror that of the Bush Administration's. Labelling whole nations as part of an 'Axis of Evil' - by a sitting president - is not a light-hearted 'little' joke either!

Honestly, how can you not see this?

Besides calling Bush "The Devil", Chavez also said Bush was an "alcoholic and a sick man", not sure what metaphor he was implying there. His speech was nothing more than an angry emotional rant and world leaders should not go on those.

Oh, if anyone cares, every time you purchase gas from a CITGO gas station you are putting your money directly in Venezuela via Petroleos de Venezuela (who owns CITGO) and they in turn finance Hugo Chavez.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Of course it's not! It's exactly the same. Chavez obviously chose his rhetoric to mirror that of the Bush Administration's. Labelling whole nations as part of an 'Axis of Evil' - by a sitting president - is not a light-hearted 'little' joke either!

Honestly, how can you not see this?

because bush pisses rainbows and craps sunshine. if he does it its ok. hail satan...i mean go dubya!

He (Chavez) is an idiot. Now, while I admit that Bush's intelligence is something that needs to be questioned, a world leader should never stand up and call someone a devil. For the record, I think Bush is an idiot also.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/21/chavez.ny/index.html

Bush's domestic foes fumed Thursday.

"If there's any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans, whether they voted for him or not," Rangel said at a Washington news conference.

"I just want to make it abundantly clear to Hugo Chavez or any other president: Don't come to the United States and think, because we have problems with our president, that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our chief of state," Rangel said.

"Hugo Chavez abused the privilege that he had speaking at the United Nations," Pelosi said. "In doing so, in the manner which he characterized the president, he demeaned himself and demeaned Venezuela."

Bush administration officials dismissed the Chavez tirade.

"We're not going to address that sort of comic-strip approach to international affairs," John Bolton, the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., said shortly after Chavez spoke Wednesday.

I'm glad to see Dems and Reps can come together about something.

There are probably several hundred Bush speeches I could quote and ask the same question regarding him. That being said I take Hugo Chavez about as seriously as Barney the dinosaur. However the apparently he believes the U.S. tried to oust him in a coup which is somewhat mitigating.

"If there's any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans"

Oh please, if Pat Robertson can go on TV and call for Chavez to be assassinated then I can be as critical of Bush as I like.

I COULD STILL SMELL THE SULFUR!

IT WAS DARK-SIDED IN HERE!